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Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:30 AM

AP sources: Epstein jail guards had been offered plea deal

Source: AP

By MICHAEL BALSAMO and MICHAEL R. SISAK November 16, 2019

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal prosecutors offered a plea deal to two correctional officers responsible for guarding Jeffrey Epstein on the night of his death, but the officers have declined the offer, people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

The existence of the plea offer signals the Justice Department is considering criminal charges in connection with the wealthy financier’s death at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York in August. The city’s medical examiner ruled Epstein’s death a suicide.

The guards on Epstein’s unit are suspected of failing to check on him every half hour, as required, and of fabricating log entries to show they had. As part of the proposed plea deal, prosecutors wanted the guards to admit they falsified the prison records, according to the people familiar with the matter. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not permitted to publicly discuss the investigation.

The U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan had no comment on the plea offer.

Both guards were working overtime because of staffing shortages. They have been placed on administrative leave while the FBI and the Justice Department’s inspector general investigate the circumstances surrounding Epstein’s death. The 66-year-old had been awaiting trial on charges of sexually abusing teenage girls.

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Reply AP sources: Epstein jail guards had been offered plea deal (Original post)
canetoad Nov 16 OP
Corgigal Nov 16 #1
RockRaven Nov 16 #2
ToxMarz Nov 16 #6
aeromanKC Nov 16 #3
jberryhill Nov 16 #5
Codeine Nov 16 #15
jberryhill Nov 16 #17
exboyfil Nov 16 #4
Scotch-Irish Nov 16 #23
nilram Nov 16 #7
Princess Turandot Nov 16 #9
jberryhill Nov 16 #18
stopdiggin Nov 16 #8
orleans Nov 16 #10
usaf-vet Nov 16 #12
Botany Nov 16 #11
Vinca Nov 16 #13
Botany Nov 16 #14
Vinca Nov 16 #19
Polybius Nov 16 #21
Kid Berwyn Nov 16 #16
Opel_Justwax Nov 16 #20
Evolve Dammit Nov 16 #22

Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:33 AM

1. Make them prove it.

It shouldn’t be hard. I mean they had 2 cameras,

Oh...

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:36 AM

2. Are they afraid that if they cooperate in any way they will be next?

(a la "Epstein did not kill himself" memes)

Or do they genuinely believe they can beat the charges of falsifying records (if, in fact, such charges were ever filed)?

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:17 AM

6. If Epstein did not kill himself

I'm sure someone would like a plausible explanation how he could have (ie. a coerced plea deal of wrongdoing with the guards) to muddy the waters.

Kind of like a public announcement of Ukraine President into corruption investigation of Biden. What happens after that is irrelevant they just need that obfuscation.

I would rather see the proof of wrong doing than a plea deal and nothing to corroborate it.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:01 AM

3. DOJ doesn't want them to testify

HHMM???

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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:11 AM

5. Very rarely do criminal defendants testify


If you want someone to testify, you DON’T CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME.

Because if you charge someone with a crime, that’s the best way to get them NOT to testify.

So weird how folks must think it’s common for defendants to testify. Yes it happens, but rarely.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:18 AM

15. You learned law at an academic institution.

The rest of us learned it from from prime time television. Our understanding of procedure is predictably skewed toward the dramatic.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:12 AM

17. That's a good point

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:07 AM

4. If any investigation is begging for an independent prosecutor

This is one. Find some good prosecuting attorney with no connections to this society or Washington. Someone from the midwest maybe.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:37 PM

23. I totally agree: THIS issue is where all the tRump bodies are buried.

Get to the bottom of the Epstein/tRump/Acosta/Putin/Manafort connections, and you'll see the sun come out!

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:24 AM

7. WHY a plea deal? Don't you offer that when

you want to get something back? Like, you cop to a lesser charge of X, so you can testify freely against Mr Big? I don't see what We The People would get out of a deal in this case.

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Response to nilram (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 03:40 AM

9. Most criminal cases don't involve a Mr Big, yet thousands of plea deals are made each year.

The "Peoples' deal" is saving the time and cost of a trial. Consider the number of people in prison for lower level drug offenses. Most of them weren't tried. They were offered a deal and their attorneys convinced them to take it.

DOJ wants to blame someone for the negligence that allowed for Epstein's suicide. The guards would have been a good start, and they hoped to do so by having them admit to not checking on him etc.

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Response to Princess Turandot (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:21 AM

18. Here, play Chutes and Ladders....


Trials are not really a common feature of the criminal justice system.

Trying and locking up a couple of guys for shirking work in a shitty job is not the best use of resources. Imagine explaining this away in their next interview for an even shittier job.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:35 AM

8. I don't find this surprising at all.

Suspect an decent lawyer is telling them to sit tight.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:05 AM

10. the real question is: who killed him?

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:42 AM

11. If it was a contract killing I am sure the guards were told something like "nice family & nice house

... be a shame if something happened." And then they were shown pictures of their families, homes,
cars, and what else. And if they went to the FBI their stories would get to Bill Barr who is the A.G. of
the D.o.J. and he is a fixer for the Trump crime family.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:05 AM

13. They're perfect cases for Don the Con to pardon. Buy 'em off, shut 'em up.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:02 AM

14. Funny on the next day after Jeffery Epstein said that Trump was flying on his plane years after ...

..... he said that he had no more cantata with him and that information was coming out that
Epstein used Trump's plane to move young girls around that he wound up dead. BTW Jeff's
death one week after Bill Barr had visited the Fed. jail in NYC where Epstein was staying.

If you have a few watch the video that is posted in this thread ... tons of links to Trump and
or Trump's friends and or business partners.

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Response to Botany (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:00 AM

19. Thanks. I will. The whole thing is stinky, stinky, stinky.

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Response to Botany (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:06 PM

21. And his death also came a day after two more prominent politicians were linked to him

Who knows who else would have came out.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:19 AM

16. They ever get the cameras fixed?

Speaking of evidence.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:21 PM

20. It's always the cover up that will get you.

I'm talking about the falsified logs not Epstein's suicide.

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Response to canetoad (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:48 PM

22. Stinks to high heaven. Highest profile prisoner, they don't check and falsified records??

Cameras broken and someone heard Epstein screaming. Murdered because of who he would implicate, and the names of his clientele are very well known. Wonder how many GOOP Christians were in there? Who paid the guards for not being present and now their silence? BTW, Prince Andrew is not looking too well in all this. Hopefully "clients" like Derschowitz are being looked into. These girls' trauma needs to be heard and their abusers exposed.

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