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Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:16 PM

Trump hikes price tag for US forces in Korea almost 500% as Seoul questions alliance

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Secretary of Defense Mark Esper landed in South Korea on Thursday to navigate renewed threats from an "enraged" North Korea and newly heightened strain in the alliance with Seoul that congressional aides, lawmakers and Korea experts say has been caused by President Donald Trump. Trump is demanding that South Korea pay roughly 500% more in 2020 to cover the cost of keeping US troops on the peninsula, a congressional aide and an administration official confirmed to CNN.

The price hike has frustrated Pentagon officials and deeply concerned Republican and Democratic lawmakers, according to military officials and congressional aides. It has angered and unnerved Seoul, where leaders are questioning US commitment to their alliance and wondering whether Trump will pull US forces if they don't pay up. "Nothing says I love you like a shakedown," said Vipin Narang, an associate professor at MIT who follows the Korean peninsula, summarizing South Korean uncertainty their worries about the US.

In the US, congressional aides and Korea experts familiar with the talks say the President's $4.7 billion demand came out of thin air, sending State and Defense Department officials scrambling to justify the number with a slew of new charges that may include Seoul paying some costs for US personnel present on the peninsula and for troops and equipment that rotate through. Negotiations are underway as North Korean threats to step up its weapons development, deepening Seoul's anxiety. On Thursday, Pyongyang condemned US-South Korean joint military exercises, saying it was "enraged" and threatening to respond with "force in kind."

North Korea has already launched 24 missiles this year, each a violation of UN resolutions, to match the country's previous annual record for firing off projectiles that threaten South Korea and Japan, according to Bruce Klingner, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation. Germany, France and the United Kingdom recently condemned Pyongyang for the launches, saying they undermined regional security and stability. Meanwhile, South Korean leaders are acutely aware that Trump has downplayed the launches, saying he is "not at all" troubled by them. There are a lot of hard feelings," Klingner said of South Korean views of the US right now, adding that "people are questioning the viability of the US as an ally."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/trump-south-korea-troops-price-hike/index.html



More allies under the bus.

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Reply Trump hikes price tag for US forces in Korea almost 500% as Seoul questions alliance (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Nov 14 OP
pandr32 Nov 14 #1
orangecrush Nov 14 #2
lastlib Nov 14 #12
bluestarone Nov 14 #3
mopinko Nov 14 #4
Hekate Nov 16 #35
Dennis Donovan Nov 14 #5
Lonestarblue Nov 14 #6
Post removed Nov 14 #7
BumRushDaShow Nov 14 #8
rpannier Nov 14 #9
The Liberal Lion Nov 14 #10
BumRushDaShow Nov 14 #11
Corgigal Nov 14 #13
Kid Berwyn Nov 14 #14
Toorich Nov 14 #15
Nitram Nov 14 #16
ffr Nov 14 #17
mpcamb Nov 16 #34
nitpicker Nov 15 #18
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #19
soryang Nov 15 #20
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #21
soryang Nov 15 #22
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #23
soryang Nov 15 #24
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #25
soryang Nov 15 #29
beachbumbob Nov 15 #26
Chin music Nov 15 #27
lunasun Nov 15 #28
Cicada Nov 15 #30
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #31
Cicada Nov 15 #32
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #33
jpak Nov 16 #36
BumRushDaShow Nov 16 #37

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:20 PM

1. Good grief!

There will be no end to this if we do not rid ourselves of this wannabe international mob boss.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:22 PM

2. Get him out


The sooner the better.

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Response to orangecrush (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:03 PM

12. PLEEEEAZE, Lord, send us an aneurysm!! NOW?!?!

He is WRECKING EVERY. Single. Friendship. we have in the world.

Except Saudi Arabia--with fiends* like them, whodafukk needs enemies??

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(*not a typo.....)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:23 PM

3. He's destroying us more everyday

And the generals? where are they? SCARY times ahead.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:25 PM

4. how does he have the power to do this?

isnt this subject to treaties?

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Response to mopinko (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:25 PM

35. "Congress has the power of the purse" -- but the Senate has let him ride roughshod ...

...over all checks and balances. Bye-bye advise and consent.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:26 PM

5. Trump, on a whim, takes US troops away from an area under threat from a totalitarian neighbor

...and totalitarian neighbor invades the area as soon as US troops are gone.

Stop me if you heard this before...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 07:35 PM

6. Republicans are supposedly appaled by Trump, but they do absolutely nothing.

Which says they care more about being elected than they do about protecting our country and its long-standing alliances.

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Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:09 PM

8. Same reason why we are still in Germany

or Japan (although they have slowly been kicking us out) and many other places. They are there by treaty but also for training.

My mother's generation were the Korean War vets. That "war" (actually a "police action" ) was the U.N.'s first and the DMZ between North and South Korea, as we all know and saw the hullabaloo about (with the infamous great "coin" ) is still there.



I suppose one could compare/contrast what happened with the Koreas vs what happened with the Vietnams. The geopolitical world has definitely changed since the end of those 2 U.N. "police actions", so oddly enough, those changes prompted that whole PNAC initiative by the neocons (which was supposedly DOA but is actually sortof implemented thanks to people who are still hanging around like Bolton and Elliot Abrams). So U.S. bases have been popping up in other places all around the world as "nimble forces".

Isolationists vs Globalists.

Pax Americana.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:10 PM

9. I lived and worked in Korea, now Japan

They are in Korea because it keeps the region stable. The presence of the military bases promotes United States interests, both militarily and financially. The U.S. has always used its military presence to promote American businesses in the region; restaurants, for example, that are available on a US base, often open a franchise or a few in the area because the public not able to get on the base decide they like that kind of food. Often the franchise that opens in the city is operated (or co-operated) by a person associated with the post franchise
U.S. military bases hire a decent sized number of locals to work on the base/post at the Px, Commissary, etc. These jobs are good paying and build up good will with the public because these people make good money and can spend it locally. The jobs enhance local economies.
In addition, on a strategic and security level, having U.S. bases and military personnel in these countries allows the U.S. to be more ready to deploy in case of an emergency (North Korea would likely have invaded the South on three or four occasions since 1960 has the U.S. military not been present), the U.S. military presence is a deterrent to military actions in this region.
When people talk about how there has not been a war on the Korean Peninsula since the 50's, it is precisely because the US military is here

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:38 PM

10. Is this supposed to be some kind of mental ju jitsu with Kim Jong-un

or is he playing dotard emperor with Moon Jae-in? Or both?

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:51 PM

11. I don't think so

It sortof fits the pattern of demanding that other countries "pay their fair share". It's an attempt at fulfilling some kind of campaign promise so it can be touted at a rally.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:27 PM

13. Trump believes he personally owns

our military now.

Great pick RNC. Too bad you needed russian money to survive, and now this....

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:35 PM

14. US-ROK Alliance Trashed by same guy who salutes NK General



Putin wins again.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:04 PM

15. The Tangerine Turd ....

..... will bring the troops home and use them to invade Canada or Mexico.
25th Amendment eh wot?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:26 PM

16. Trump is pushing away solid ally after solid ally. He will leave the US isolated and unprepared for

future diplomatic and military challenges.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 11:59 PM

17. Is it possible to put him into a straight jacket new before it's too late?

How many years of American diplomacy is he taken a hatchet to?

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Response to ffr (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:04 AM

34. There has to be a kickback in there someplace for trump.

That's the only way he does business.

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Response to nitpicker (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:35 AM

19. There is another little article at the link

'Rabid dog' Biden

Separately on Friday, North Korea launched an attack on former US Vice President Joe Biden, calling him a "rabid dog'' that "must be beaten to death with a stick.''

The commentary by the official Korean Central News Agency said the US presidential hopeful "reeled off a string of rubbish against the dignity'' of the North's supreme leadership, an act it said deserves "merciless punishment.''

It wasn't immediately clear which of Biden's comments provoked Pyongyang's anger, although the Democrat has accused Trump of cozying up to "dictators and tyrants.''

The North has previously made racist and sexist diatribes against former US President Barack Obama and ex-South Korean President Park Geun-hye, the country's first female leader.

mm/ng (AP, Reuters)


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 08:13 AM

20. Did CNN just come out of a coma?

This public unjustified and demeaning pressure on South Korea by Trump's team has been ongoing for weeks.

The US is trying to force Korea to restore the GSOMIA with Japan, and, in fact, enter an Indo-Pacific alliance aimed at China, against it's will. In effect, the US and the Pentagon are pressuring South Korea to enter a direct military alliance with Japan against it's will. The US has clearly adopted Japan's side in the Abe versus South Korea diplomatic and trade dispute. High level US officials make public statements about South Korean "mistakes," from Tokyo and then travel to South Korea to repeat the same tactless and insulting remarks in Seoul and at Camp Humphreys.

The US also wants South Korea to pay for costs associated with out of area deployments in Western Pacific including costs of forces dispatched to Guam and Okinawa. According to the Trump administration South Korea should bear the costs of more frequent force rotations to the Far East which the Pentagon imprudently decided was a good idea.

If one looks at the broad picture of the extortionate demands made on the Moon Administration, it is pretty clear that the Trump administration and leadership in the Pentagon are trying to overthrow the democratic administration of Moon Jae-in. Their underlying objective is to reinstall the pro-Japan far right elements that are the political heirs of Japanese colonialism and earlier South Korean military dictatorships that were little more than quislings for the US and Japanese interests.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/113326182

Coincidentally, there is substantial political instability in South Korea characterized by massive demonstrations in Gwanghwamun of far right elements supported by the Liberty Korea Party calling for the arrest and impeachment of Moon Jae-In. These demonstrators carry hundreds if not thousands of American flags.

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Response to soryang (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 08:36 AM

21. "Did CNN just come out of a coma?"

They are reporting on what happened yesterday when Esper made his 2nd trip to the region (along with some background info).

Anyone who follows that area of the world would have been aware of the political issues stemming from Park Geun-hye's impeachment and the aftermath elections. And of course the Korean-Japanese rancor goes back a long way and the bitterness is still simmering. There is similar instability building in Germany as well with the ethnic (former-) east Germans.

In other words, the world is "realigning".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 08:57 AM

22. There's been a steady stream of US officials traveling to Japan and South Korea

...sent over there to jawbone the South Korean administration into submission to US and Japanese demands. It reminds me of early 20th Century colonialism and the protectorate of Ito Hirobumi. Trump and the Pentagon are looking for the new Traitors of Eulsa to sign away South Korea to the overlords.

It's interesting that you said "anyone who follows that area of the world," because VOA Korea has Scot Snyder on quite frequently and I've never heard him make one criticism against the US demands.

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Response to soryang (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:06 AM

23. Given that there seems to be "multiple" foreign policies going on

(see what had been happening regarding Ukraine and the "irregular channel" ) I expect it is difficult for the media to keep up with "which one" is "the one".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:24 AM

24. There is only one US policy being implemented right now toward South Korea

...and its aim to get rid of the democratic party administration in South Korea because it stands in the way of US dominance of South Korean foreign policy.

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Response to soryang (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:29 AM

25. That might be all that is "public"

Don't trust it as no one knows what other crap is going on behind the scenes (that may be even worse).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:45 AM

29. Right, behind the scenes I'm fairly certain it is worse

This pressure is being coordinated in my opinion with the LKP, and other far right elements domestically in South Korea, including former generals and allegedly active duty generals, and evangelical organizations, in effect creating a Constitutional crisis in South Korea.

It is widely surmised in South Korea, that the US is harboring the former Defense Security Command commander, who fled the country. He planned a martial law crackdown, in other words a militay coup in early 2017 to stop the impeachment of Park Geun-hye:

Other observers have attempted to belittle the significance of the martial law plans, suggesting that at worst, they were only contingency plans to deal with public disorder rather than a coup d'etat to overthrow the constitutional order. It is not clear what happened during the very last days preceding the conviction of Park Geun-hye by the Constitutional Court. The critical witness to the formulation of the martial law plans, and their potential execution was the commander of the Defense Security Command, Cho Hyun-cheon ( 조현천 기무사령관 ). He was the key person involved in their development. It is important to note in this regard, that the same role was played by former president Chun Du-won as the Defense Security Command commander after the assassination of Park Chung-hee (Park Geun-hye's father) forty years earlier after the fall of the Yushin Constitution. The coup planning DSC commander Cho Hyun-cheon, in question now, fled South Korea, and his whereabouts are allegedly unknown. Interpol has refused to issue a warrant calling for his arrest citing a policy not to use legal process in political cases. All of this is according to an interview of Im Tae-hun of the Military Human Rights Center ( 임태훈 군인권센터 ) who represents the whistle blower who leaked classified NSC documents. *


Hwang Kyo-ahn Has it Both Ways Oct 28
As long as, the former prime minister is suspected of considering martial law plans in 2017, he seeks to take political credit from those who would have welcomed martial law, while denying he had any role.
https://civilizationdiscontents.blogspot.com/2019/10/hwang-kyo-ahn-doubles-down.html


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:30 AM

26. trump following Putin's lead as issue

destroy US relationships on every level. Putin is winning this easily as the GOP is in full collaborator mode.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:41 AM

28. Kick

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:01 AM

30. Trump will push Korea into arms of China

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Response to Cicada (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:08 AM

31. I don't know about that

because that is where North Korea is. If anyone, they might go towards Russia (which is an obvious direction to move given Putin's sense of global realignment as a potential competitor to China).

It seems that South Korea is uniquely poised to actually form a bloc with some of the emerging economies in their immediate area without including Japan, including Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:45 PM

32. China can influence North Korea so It can help Korea

South Korea needs protection from the North. Maybe a friendly China can provide the help it needs. China might be well positioned to broker a resolution of differences.

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Response to Cicada (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:50 PM

33. Oh I know China has been very much involved with North Korea

and I think they also do so by having their back every time there are "cultural" ice-breaker events between the north and the south. But "something" always seems to happen that torpedoes the outreach and everyone retreats back to their corners.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:29 PM

36. ...

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Response to jpak (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:40 PM

37. That needed a "graphic" warning!!!

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