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Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:33 PM

New Democratic majority set to bring down Confederate statues in Virginia

Source: The Hill

Democrats in Virginia’s General Assembly are poised to again attempt to remove Confederate monuments after last week saw the party claim a majority in both houses of the legislature, according to The Associated Press.

“This is about what do we remember? What do we honor? It’s the right to decide what we celebrate,” said Del.-elect Sally Hudson (D), whose district includes Charlottesville, the site of the deadly 2017 white supremacist “Unite the Right” rally.

The city of Charlottesville is currently embroiled in a lawsuit over its decision the same year to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee, as well as its relocation of another monument to Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, with a judge temporarily ruling against the removal of the statues.

“I can’t imagine we would go through this session without that getting a full hearing,” Del. Lamont Bagby (D), chairman of the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus, said of the issue of the statues. “I suspect that it will be met with success.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/470100-new-democratic-legislature-could-bring-down-confederate-statues-in-va

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Reply New Democratic majority set to bring down Confederate statues in Virginia (Original post)
brooklynite Nov 12 OP
OldManTarHeel Nov 12 #1
benld74 Nov 12 #2
lagomorph777 Nov 12 #4
maxrandb Nov 12 #6
maxsolomon Nov 12 #3
kimbutgar Nov 12 #5
Drahthaardogs Nov 13 #8
obamanut2012 Nov 13 #9
Drahthaardogs Nov 13 #10
JonLP24 Nov 13 #12
onetexan Nov 13 #13
JonLP24 Nov 13 #14
onetexan Nov 13 #15
maxsolomon Nov 13 #11
mahina Nov 13 #7

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:42 PM

1. Well, As Mickey Mouse Mulvaney Once Said 'Elections Have Consequences' . .

I'm good with this, put the statues in a museum and 'Get Over It' . .

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

2. IMHO - Leave them - THem pain them a different color each week, ala college pranks

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Response to benld74 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 03:56 PM

4. Put them at sidewalk level and use them as canine pissoirs.

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Response to benld74 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:31 PM

6. I like this

In Seattle there is a statue of Lenin and the citizens paint the hands red to symbolize the blood on them.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:54 PM

3. Gather them together in a Museum.

With the context clearly illustrated. It would be quite illuminating.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 06:33 PM

5. Agreed

If you want to see these statues send them to a museum, charge admission and the profits after operating profits go to the NAACP!

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:08 AM

8. Yes. We can't erase history

But they shouldn't be put in a place of honor

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:38 AM

9. The statutes are mass-produced pieces of almost-tin

Cast and sold way after the Civil War. Zero history involved.

Melt them down and turn them into plowshares.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:47 AM

10. What a silly statement

When they were made is irrelevant, they represent historical figures who were on the wrong side of history.

I take it you would not approve of the Berlin Wall museum either? Just dig out heads in the sand and pretend it never happened eh?

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 04:25 PM

12. The only US history that gets erased is minority history

Last edited Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:03 PM - Edit history (1)

They put these status up during racist times.

There are certain moments in US history when Confederate monuments go up

The first spike
The first spike is around 1900. That's 35 years after the end of the Civil War.

When the war ended, relatively few monuments went up in the South. The economy and social order were just too devastated. But after money was raised, sponsoring groups promoted the "Lost Cause" ideology -- the belief that states' rights, not slavery, was the Confederacy's principal cause.

By 1900, many states were implementing Jim Crow laws, meant to disenfranchise newly freed African-Americans and prevent integration.

It's in this climate that cities and states ramped up their construction of Confederate symbols.

The second spike
The second, albeit smaller, spike is in the mid-1950s and 1960s. Change was in the air. Brown v. Board of Education. The Civil Rights Act. The Voting Rights Act. As the SPLC put it in its report, "The civil rights movement led to a backlash among segregationists."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/16/us/confederate-monuments-backlash-chart-trnd/index.html

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 05:57 PM

13. contributions to American history by minority groups remain notably erased, not just AA history

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The Chinese laborers who built the US railroads in the latter end of 1800s for example, rarely ever get mentioned except in few PBS documentaries maybe. Same with the Navajo code talkers during WWII, the native American iron workers who built NY's empire state bldg and the Brooklyn bridge, and the many many notable Hispanics who've made significant contributions in science, the arts, etc. whom we don't often hear of.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:02 PM

14. I agree

I think I probably worded my post horribly wrong to make my point. I'll try to edit.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:22 PM

15. No worries. You made great points on your post.

I just edited my earlier post to add 'native American' descriptor to the ironworkers.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 12:25 PM

11. the one in a graveyard out here (seattle) is stone

if they're destroyed, I won't care much. either way.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 03:27 AM

7. The Confederates lost the damn war.

I had family on both sides and when they took down my Grandma’s great grandfather’s statue in New Orleans our family felt no harm.

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