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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:38 PM

Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians

Source: NY Times

Not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May, an associate of Rudolph W. Giulianiís journeyed to Kiev to deliver a warning to the countryís new leadership, a lawyer for the associate said.

The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trumpís political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States would freeze aid, the lawyer said.

The claim by Mr. Parnas, who is preparing to share his account with impeachment investigators, challenges the narrative of events from Mr. Trump and Ukrainian officials that is at the core of the congressional inquiry. It also directly links Mr. Giuliani, the presidentís personal lawyer, to threats of repercussions made to the Ukrainians, something he has strenuously denied.

But Mr. Parnasís account, while potentially significant, is being contradicted on several fronts. None of the people involved dispute that the meeting occurred, but Mr. Parnas stands alone in saying the intention was to present an ultimatum to the Ukrainian leadership.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/nyregion/trump-ukraine-parnas-fruman.html

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Reply Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians (Original post)
Julian Englis Nov 10 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 10 #1
maxsolomon Nov 11 #10
Leghorn21 Nov 10 #2
Gidney N Cloyd Nov 10 #3
flibbitygiblets Nov 10 #5
Evolve Dammit Nov 10 #4
Stuart G Nov 10 #6
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 10 #7
padah513 Nov 10 #8
SonofDonald Nov 10 #9
lagomorph777 Nov 11 #11

Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:42 PM

1. What a tangled web...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:17 PM

10. Not that tangled.

They had the same ask, over and over. Impressive that Ukraine didn't give them what they wanted - although they were about to.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:45 PM

2. More:

Another participant in the meeting, Mr. Parnasís business partner, Igor Fruman, said Mr. Parnasís claim was false; the men never raised the issues of aid or the vice presidentís attendance at the inauguration, lawyers for Mr. Fruman said.

Mr. Giuliani denied Mr. Parnasís contention that he had delivered the warning at the direction of Mr. Giuliani. ďCategorically, I did not tell him to say that,Ē Mr. Giuliani said.

The dispute represents the clearest indication yet that Mr. Parnas, who was indicted along with Mr. Fruman last month on campaign finance charges, has turned on Mr. Trump and Mr. Giuliani.


Hmmm, Igor says, oh no he dint



Anyway, get us some receipts, Lev, and keep on keepin on

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:58 PM

3. Has Giuliani explained why he and his associates were even dealing with the Ukraine gov't?

Has he claimed that it was personal business or has he copped to being a private citizen conducting US business on behalf of Trump?

I'm having trouble keeping up.

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:04 PM

5. I'm sure they were just there to discuss "Russian adoptions"

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:53 PM

4. Get the charging docs ready. Arrest and prosecute traitors to the U.S. and betrayal of NATO allies.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:57 PM

6. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....Going Down...Down,..and Down...nt

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:13 PM

7. Rudy how far you've fallen.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:30 PM

8. I think somebody just made it clear that if he's going to jail

He's taking someone a little higher up in the food chain with him to get a better deal. The golden rule is always look out for #1. Giuliani is toast.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:38 PM

9. They need to quit screwing around

And indict that mf'er right damn now, I keep wondering what's the holdup???

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:21 PM

11. Larry and Curly are squawking. Moe's gonna poke 'em in the eyes.

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