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Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:49 AM

Beshear vs. Bevin: Kentucky governor's race could be decided by state legislature

Source: USA Today

Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers threw another wrench into the state's razor-thin gubernatorial outcome late Tuesday night, saying that the legislature could decide the race.


Stivers' comments came shortly after Gov. Matt Bevin refused to concede to Attorney General Andy Beshear, who led by roughly 5,100 votes when all the precincts were counted.

“There’s less than one-half of 1%, as I understand, separating the governor and the attorney general,” Stivers said. “We will follow the letter of the law and what various processes determine.”



Stivers, R-Manchester, said based on his staff’s research, the decision could come before the Republican-controlled state legislature.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2511326001



Already trying to find a way to steal an election.

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Reply Beshear vs. Bevin: Kentucky governor's race could be decided by state legislature (Original post)
orangecrush Nov 7 OP
C_U_L8R Nov 7 #1
Brainfodder Nov 7 #2
djg21 Nov 7 #18
evertonfc Nov 7 #3
Tiggeroshii Nov 7 #4
Fiendish Thingy Nov 7 #7
evertonfc Nov 7 #8
Fiendish Thingy Nov 7 #10
ArizonaLib Nov 7 #13
TheRealNorth Nov 7 #15
Meadowoak Nov 7 #9
Thekaspervote Nov 7 #11
iluvtennis Nov 7 #12
Miguelito Loveless Nov 7 #17
onetexan Nov 7 #21
KPN Nov 7 #5
CincyDem Nov 7 #6
Traildogbob Nov 7 #14
TheRealNorth Nov 7 #16
dustyscamp Nov 7 #22
Traildogbob Nov 7 #23
turbinetree Nov 7 #19
SKKY Nov 7 #20

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:51 AM

1. If they steal it, it's goodbye Mitch

No one likes cheaters.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:55 AM

2. They really want a civil war that badly, huh?


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Response to Brainfodder (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:12 PM

18. The first one never ended.

It just went cold after 1865.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:59 AM

3. Sigh..

This is about the 10th post on this. It's not going to happen. The obscure 1899 law would never stand up today plus, it won't get that far. After the recanvass and possible recount, it will be over. We have a Democratic SOS and Attorney General. We have a left of center state Supreme Court. Numerous legal minds have weighed in on this and pretty much poured cold water on it. CNN gives a step by step process that would have to happen to use this option and there has to be lofty legal grounds to get over. This race is over.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:05 PM

4. This is a relief...

Thanks!!

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:13 PM

7. Please post a link to your sources

If you have clear , verifiable evidence that the Kentucky legislature cannot decide the election if Bevin contests it, please post it to counter the other sources posted that say the legislature DOES have that power.

So far you have only shared your evidence free opinion.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:21 PM

8. no,

There is an obscure 1899 law that they are using. This law, however, is over 100 years old and requires numerous legal hurdles such as evidence of fraud, etc. I don't have a link to me having read and watched numerous talking legal heads throw cold water on this. I don't need a link to tell you we have a Democratic SOS and AG and a left of center SC as safe guards to this ending in a Bevin win. You can Google the CNN piece on the legislative process. It us so outdated that it involves drawing names out iof fishbowls and debates on the public square. Worry if you like but this is over.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:31 PM

10. Did you forget the fishbowl used to decide a seat last time?

Look, I hope you're correct, but so far I've only seen evidence that the GOP legislature could steal this if so inclined.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:51 PM

13. Hey, Fiendish Thingy

I love the Beatles!!! Awesome handle name!

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:57 PM

15. Even if we are successful in court

It says something that Republicans may attempt it.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:27 PM

9. They can't do a recount, KY uses touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. The only thing

They can do is re canvas, and I doubt that will change the totals much.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:44 PM

11. Right!! It isn't... remember all the posturing over wanker in WI and Cooper in NC..SSDD!!

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:51 PM

12. thanks for the clarifying notes - excellent news.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:05 PM

17. One hopes,

but Moscow Mitch has been busy packing the courts with his minions. I am not sanguine of assistance from the courts. Also, even given a favorable court ruling, the GOP now has an established track record of ignoring the courts without consequence.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:46 PM

21. Thank you for this information. I was worried the GOP would steal the KY governorship like they did

in GA.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:11 PM

5. Already? They've never stopped. "Still" is the correct word.

No criticism intended!

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:13 PM

6. IIRC, this statement is based on some post civil-war law that has only been used once...



There was some weirdness in an 1870's election where the guy who won died soon after, maybe even before being sworn in. Legislature tried to install his opponent. Courts got involved and decided that the dead guy's Lt. Gov was the new Gov.

I don't think this "law" has ever been applied, especially since the definition of "contested" is so vague.

In the republican's analysis, the libertarian who got 2% could technical "contest" the result and give the legislature authority to pick the winner.

Not saying they won't flog this one into the ground but I think the chances of Bevin being installed by the legislature are slim and none...and Slim just left town.

Separately, as someone said else where...a 500 vote "win" in florida was enough to put Bush II in the WH...5000 votes should surely be enough to put Beshear in the Gov. mansion.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:55 PM

14. Same ole, same ole

Repukes did the exact same to Cooper in North Carolina. Took months for the LOSER to concede. But then the criminally led GOP legislature stripped Cooper of power. The asses laugh in session right now at the pranks they pull to deny him anything, on video.......Laugh. Democracy my ass. Why the hell did I serve this country? Ashamed.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 01:01 PM

16. Republicans did the same in Wi

The latest is that they are trying to weaken Tony Evers' veto powers and allow multiple override votes ( no doubt trying to set up a situation where they can pass an override when the Democrats are not expecting a vote like what the Republicans did in NC.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 04:33 PM

22. Evil Republican Weasels

Thank you for your service!

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:13 PM

23. 👍

Let's make sure all that served and are serving, are not doing so, died or dying in vain, for this shit show that is the GOP 🇷🇺🐘💩🔥🇺🇸 Happy Veterans Day to all my brothers and sisters. We deserve better than this criminal BS for our sacrifice.

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:56 PM

19. Really.......................why have voters..........................

go full borne fascist.......................that's what this "republican legislature " is basically doing...............follow the law.................really.....................your party supports a fucking traitor.......................and he goes around blackmailing and extorting government's and people all over the world..................and then when you party loses you want to pick up your criminal enterprise marbles and walk away.......................

Oh yeah Moscow Mitch is well Moscow Mitch...............how much of that senate money came forma Russian oligarch for your party to field candidates........................think about it................

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Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 03:41 PM

20. Everyone calm down. He can, but there is a long way to go before we get to that.

He can request a re-canvasing, no problem. That's just a soft recount by each precinct, and should not take more than a few days. If the numbers change drastically (not likely), they can request an actual hard recount of the votes. But, only a judge can order that, and there must be solid, legal reasons for a full re-count. So, there is a ways to go before we get to the General Assembly, which has only happened once and that was sometime in the late 1800s.

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