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Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:53 PM

Impeachment: Trump's son tweets name of alleged whistleblower

Source: Yahoo News

Washington (AFP) - President Donald Trump's son published on Wednesday the name of the alleged anonymous whistleblower whose complaint fired the impeachment inquiry against Trump, breaking strict conventions for protecting officials who reveal wrongdoing in government.

Amid calls by the president himself to expose the whistleblower, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted the name of a CIA analyst which has circulated online for weeks, and linked to a Breitbart news article implying the person was pro-Democrat and anti-Trump.

AFP could not independently verify the whistleblower's identity and is not publishing the name.

But the revelation by the president's son comes as the White House seeks to discredit the mounting impeachment effort in Congress against Trump, painting it as driven by politics.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-trumps-son-tweets-name-alleged-whistleblower-154514305.html



Maybe it was decided, Jr. does not have anything to lose for Big Daddy.

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Reply Impeachment: Trump's son tweets name of alleged whistleblower (Original post)
MartyTheGreek Wednesday OP
Stuart G Wednesday #1
0rganism Wednesday #4
DENVERPOPS Wednesday #12
0rganism Wednesday #13
DENVERPOPS Wednesday #15
0rganism Wednesday #17
Maxheader Wednesday #11
MartyTheGreek Wednesday #25
cstanleytech Wednesday #2
lagomorph777 Wednesday #8
onenote Wednesday #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #26
AncientGeezer Wednesday #29
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #30
AncientGeezer Wednesday #32
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #41
AncientGeezer Wednesday #42
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #43
jberryhill Wednesday #45
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #46
Igel Wednesday #31
AncientGeezer Wednesday #28
lagomorph777 Thursday #48
AllaN01Bear Wednesday #3
Igel Wednesday #33
Arkansas Granny Wednesday #5
lagomorph777 Wednesday #6
onenote Wednesday #19
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #27
The Velveteen Ocelot Wednesday #44
trueblue2007 Wednesday #7
AncientGeezer Wednesday #35
Stuart G Wednesday #9
AncientGeezer Wednesday #34
Nitram Wednesday #10
JudyM Wednesday #20
Nitram Wednesday #21
JudyM Wednesday #38
Nitram Wednesday #39
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JudyM Wednesday #40
pwb Wednesday #14
Raine Wednesday #16
AncientGeezer Wednesday #36
sakabatou Wednesday #22
AncientGeezer Wednesday #37
elias7 Wednesday #23
Aussie105 Wednesday #24
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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:57 PM

1. FU*K Jr.,.. Junior just put the "whistleblower" in grave danger. Junior should be arrested.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:04 PM

4. he put *someone* in grave danger

might be the whistleblower, might not. now that person and everyone with a similar name and all their immediate families are at risk.
this enemies-list-style criminal bullshit needs to be stomped out pronto. unfortunately, no one can and/or will do it.
certainly not AG Barr.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:22 PM

12. worse yet

Worse yet, is it puts a damper on anyone else coming forward on any matter whatsoever. The whistleblower's name/identity is supposed to be kept completely confidential. And more importantly, people who have information will be reluctant to come forth to blow the whistle or testify, now or in the future.......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:26 PM

13. an entire nation held hostage to an insatiable ego

i hope there's a way back from here

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:43 PM

15. And worse yet


With today's news of Donnie Jr. publicly naming the whistleblower I doubt ANY whistleblower now or in the future will be thinking about being in a history book or their 15 minutes of fame. Their only thoughts will be surviving until they testify and afterwards.

My question would be, how did Donnie Jr, Linsey Graham, etc etc etc all find out the name/identity of the whistleblower??????????

Especially on something this momentous, that person not only has to worry about Trump, The Republicans in Congress, all their 50 million MAGGOT followers, but even foreign governments and U.S. Corporations that will be rocked by us impeaching their leader.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:54 PM

17. this impacts more than whistleblowers

it's a call for utter subjugation to everyone in government
"bow down to Dear Leader, or we expose you and your family, or maybe some random person and their family, to an endless stream of character vandalism and death threats. doesn't have to be related to anything you actually worked on, we'll make it up if we want to."
Tangeranus has queued up some gravely criminal abuses of power

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:16 PM

11. STumpys kids would be like fish out of the water..


if the little brats had to make it in this world on their own initiative...guaranteed..

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:09 PM

25. Totally agree and the issue about taking the rusky dirt meeting. It led to this!

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:58 PM

2. So did he simply parrot it or did he confirm it? If he simply parroted it then its nothing but if he

confirmed it then would that in of itself be a crime on his part?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:08 PM

8. It would definitely be a crime by whoever gave Turd Jr the name.

Assuming they (or somebody in the filthy chain of provenance) is a Federal employee.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:57 PM

18. Unfortunately, according to the experts in this area, divulging the whistleblower's identity isn't

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Response to onenote (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:11 PM

26. Maybe it's not a crime just to disclose the name, but what if disclosing the name

is intended to cause or results in retaliation, which is what the statute was intended to address?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:13 PM

29. You would have to prove "intent"....

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #29)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:14 PM

30. Of course; but it seems pretty obvious.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:23 PM

32. I don't recall.."but it seems pretty obvious" as a standard for

.....for charging anyone.
I just read the 4&5th amendments again...I don't see the "but it seems pretty obvious" part.

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:51 PM

41. Oh, hell, I know that.

I'm a retired lawyer who once taught constitutional law, so I know very well that they'd have to prove intent. My shorthand comment was intended only to point out that there seems to be quite a bit of evidence, from many statements made by Trump and various members of Congres that the GOPers' desire to disclose the whistleblower's name was for the purpose of discrediting and disparaging him. If that isn't retaliation I don't know what is.

BTW, the 4th Amendment has only to do with unreasonable searches and seizures; the 5th Amendment covers double jeopardy, the right to confront witnesses and due process, but doesn't address the standard of proof. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt has always been required in criminal cases under common law, but it wasn't until in re Winship in 1970 that the Supreme Court held that it is a constitutional requirement of due process.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:07 PM

42. I know what the 4th means/says..as well as the 5th.

I used them ONLY as counter to your "but it seems pretty obvious "rationalization".
Would you go into court with a "but it seems pretty obvious." prosecution?
Would you go into court with a "but it seems pretty obvious." defense?

I'd hope not in either case..the prosecution would get thrashed by the Judge and the defendant would have 100 reasons to appeal...on the "pure idiocy clause"

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:14 PM

43. No. I'd go into court with evidence supporting every element of the offense.

My point was that there does seem to be substantial evidence; but clearly if it is to be the basis of a prosecution it would have to be documented and evaluated as to its weight and credibility, as in any other case. I wasn't trying to suggest that an offhand remark on an internet message board is the equivalent of evidence to be presented in court.

The WB statute itself doesn't specify penalties, so this discussion is purely academic.



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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:49 PM

45. You're on the wrong track

First letís identify the statute in question.

The relevant statute is 5 USC 2302. It prohibits certain types of personnel actions in response to someone reporting violations of law. It was nothing to do with identifying anyone, and certainly doesnít apply to Jr.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #45)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:01 PM

46. Yes. I looked up the statute earlier.

I was incoherently trying to explain a couple of different and somewhat irrelevant points. The statute itself doesn't have a lot of teeth and applies only to government agencies. I do think that identifying a whistleblower could be construed as a form of retaliation under some circumstances.

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Response to onenote (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:16 PM

31. Hence the use of the term "convention" in the OP. n/t

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:12 PM

28. No it wouldn't be

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:29 AM

48. "[The Whistleblower Protection Act] provides no protection. It's the worst-named statute..."

Son of a bitch! Add the WPA to the list of repairs needed after Pres. Turd and his minions are banished.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/06/776481504/can-trump-legally-out-the-whistleblower-experts-say-it-would-not-violate-any-law

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:58 PM

3. if a democrat did something like this , ohm my goodness. jaumpain jehosapahat

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:23 PM

33. Every year a lot of classified and confidential things get leaked.

The response is either, "How dare they!" or "what a patriot!"

It's like taking steps to prevent leaks or punish them: The response is either "how fascist of them!" or "good, confidentiality is important."

The laws are the same in both cases. What's different is the willingness to enforce the law over preference.

I don't like when confidential information is leaked. I'm pretty much always on the "how dare they!" side.

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:06 PM

5. If anything happens to the person he named, whether they are the whistleblower or not,

Trump Jr. should be held responsible. There are Trump supporters out there who would act on that info. Think of the pipe bomber.

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:07 PM

6. Any Federal employee doing this would be committing a crime.

Turd Jr might be immune?

However, whoever gave Turd Jr the name, has committed a crime.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:57 PM

19. See post 18

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Response to onenote (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:12 PM

27. You could argue that the disclosure itself is a form of retaliation.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:21 PM

44. The statute, unfortunately, has no teeth.

Outing the WB probably constitutes retaliation but there are no specific consequences for the outer. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/06/yes-outing-whistleblower-is-against-law-law-is-toothless/

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:07 PM

7. LOCK HIM UP!!! 40 YEARS HARD LABOR IN JAIL FOR JR.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:27 PM

35. For???? It's not a crime

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:11 PM

9. I guess Junior is just as stupid as his father...

Hard to believe he could be "stupider" WAIT, JUNIOR TWEETED THE NAME, UPON ORDERS FROM HIS FATHER!!!!!!

.............that is the reason this was done.....

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:14 PM

10. It's all just smoke and mirrors. It makes no difference at all who the whistleblower is.

All the evidence in the inquiry is coming from other witnesses.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:05 PM

20. Not to thinking folks; but having a Dem scapegoat provides continuation of the witch hunt narrative.

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And thatís all tRump needs to stay afloat with his minions.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:18 PM

21. The minions really don't care what he does.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:39 PM

38. Yep, they just need some colorable justification, however strained. Saw one of his minions asked

today if itíd really be ok with her if tRump actually shot someone on 5th Ave. Her response? ďDepends what he shot them for.Ē And you could see that she thought herself so clever for coming up with this defense/parry.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:43 PM

39. Must be something in the water that produces these Trump Mutants.They have no values, no principles,

no knowledge, and no intellect. Maybe they are harbingers of the zombie apocalypse.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:48 PM

40. .



Funny and chilling at the same time.

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:34 PM

14. Yea because Trust fund brats are all above the law.

Just like daddy Donny.

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:51 PM

16. The name's been out on the internet

for a couple of weeks already.

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Response to Raine (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:35 PM

36. It has....

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:28 PM

22. Junior could've broke federal law by doing this

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:35 PM

37. No...actually not.

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:41 PM

23. The storm is already here. Who cares who forecasted it?

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:09 PM

24. Really need a snowstorm here . . .

Need hundreds of people to contact the radio stations, TV stations and print media with the same complaint.

"Hey, that whistleblower guy? It ain't him, 'caus it is me. And that ain't my name!"

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 02:20 AM

47. Its his brother

His brother has been blowing his dadís whistle and he is jealous. So is his sister.

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