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Tue Sep 17, 2019, 07:55 PM

Ohio Gov. DeWine considering ban on flavored e-cigarettes

Source: Dayton Daily News

COLUMBUS — Gov. Mike DeWine, who has made child protection a hallmark of his career, is researching whether he has the legal authority to ban liquid flavors used in e-cigarettes as one way to battle against children vaping.

The rise in e-cigarette use by school age teens is “a severe public health issue that needs to be addressed,” said DeWine spokesman Dan Tierney.

DeWine and Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton have been working on the issue, Tierney said.

“The explosive increase in vaping among our youth is a public health crisis, and we must educate them and their parents about the dangers of vaping,” Acton said. “Youth have shown an increased vulnerability to nicotine addiction, and evidence suggests that nicotine use during adolescence and young adulthood has long-term impacts on brain development.”

Read more: https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/ohio-gov-dewine-considering-ban-flavored-cigarettes/prN33U3HyKNefinbxI4gLJ/



Say... whatever happened to DeWine's gun control proposals? Nine dead in Ohio. Seems like only yesterday, right guv?

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Reply Ohio Gov. DeWine considering ban on flavored e-cigarettes (Original post)
OilemFirchen Sep 17 OP
Matthew28 Sep 17 #1
bucolic_frolic Sep 17 #2
mr_lebowski Sep 17 #4
bucolic_frolic Sep 17 #5
mr_lebowski Sep 17 #3
Skittles Sep 17 #6
mr_lebowski Sep 17 #7
Skittles Sep 17 #9
mr_lebowski Sep 17 #11
metalbot Sep 17 #12
Marthe48 Sep 17 #8
JohnnyRingo Sep 17 #10

Response to OilemFirchen (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 07:59 PM

1. What happen to

Personal responsibility and small bathtub government? Oh'yess, that is only for guns, anything that helps the poor, sick or old. Otherwise, the republicans will ban and disallow you from doing what you wish(gays, trans,etc).

Pigs.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:18 PM

2. DeWine keeps threatening to use the power of government to help people

but seems like his hands are tied by higher powers in the GOP

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:23 PM

4. Yeah? Well that's NOT what he's proposing to do here (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:34 PM

5. Yeah?

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Response to OilemFirchen (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:22 PM

3. This is f***ing bullshit for so many reasons. 1stly, I don't GAF about the children ...

they're not my friggin' responsibility, they're their parents responsibility. That's why I don't have any.

Furthermore, let me see if I have this right ... the only vape juice flavor you want to allow ... is tobacco flavor?

IOW, we ONLY want there to be juice that pretends to taste like the flavoring of F***ING CIGARETTES, a product that we EVEN MORE so ... do not want people to be using? That makes total sense.

Lemme make this point clear, e-juice inherently has no flavor. It's not like you just 'leave out the flavoring', and boom you have 'tobacco flavor'. So they're still going to be adding some random chemical to make it 'tobacco flavor'.

BTW, who gets to decide 'oh, this particular chemical additive tastes like tobacco flavor ... from now on EVERYONE must use THIS!'

And how much you wanna bet, it'll be PATENTED by some GOP donor, probably Philip Morris or some shit.

In reality, there are NO e-juice flavors that ACTUALLY taste anything like smoking a cigarette or cigar. At ALL. Tobacco-flavored e-juice ... is straight up NASTY tasting. Even to someone who's transitioning from cigarettes directly.

You know what's going to happen if they do this? Vape juice shops are simply going to sell plain VG/PG/Nicotine juice (which is 100% legal), and then on other shelves they'll sell bottles of 'food flavorings' (also 100% legal). And then you'll take your plain juice home, and your food flavoring, and you'll kinda ... do whatever with them!

IOW, it'll be done like it was in head shops for decades where they sold bongs, but they had to call them 'tobacco pipes' and nobody could say anything about weed in the stores.

All these ingredients are totally legal, and while you may be able to stop Juul and Blu and whoever from putting out products that purport to have a 'flavor' beyond supposed 'tobacco', you can't stop the public from making their own flavored e-juice (at least, not without shutting down the entire vaping industry by banning nicotine sales ... though I guess that could be the REAL goal)

Lastly, there's NO PROOF VAPING NICOTINE CAUSES HARM (yet, anyway), so calling this a 'public health emergency' is f***ing bullshit. There's also NO studies showing nicotine WITHOUT all the other tobacco components has any 'long term impacts on brain development'.

In fact, they've not even proved it with friggin' cigarettes, and they've had 50+ years to study it.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:47 PM

6. I think the gist is that vaping should be for smoking cessation only

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:59 PM

7. I 100% agree ... that would be optimal.

A point which has nothing to do with whether there are 'non-tobacco flavored' e-juices.

When I first went to the vape shop some 6 years back, the vape shops offered samples of their flavors to be used in the shop. That's not legal anymore, at least not in AZ, but anyways, I tried 3 different juices that supposedly were 'tobacco flavor' and they were all TERRIBLE. They do NOT even remotely imitate the flavor of smoking.

I walked out with a fruit-flavored mixture with some menthol added in (since I smoked menthols). If all there WAS was those first 3 I tried? I'd probably still be smoking cigs.

People should be perfectly free to choose to switch from cigarettes to vaping WITHOUT having any intention to ever quit vaping. If you switch 100% to vaping, you have successfully achieved 'smoking cessation'. You no longer smoke.

There's no proof (as yet) that vaping causes any harm apart from addiction to nicotine. Just like Nicorette, IOW.

By the way, how come Nicorette doesn't even come in tobacco flavor, period?

Minors are already disallowed from buying vaping products just like they're disallowed from buying cigarettes. That's as far as we go with cigarettes, why do we need MORE regs ... for something that's almost certain to be FAR less dangerous?

Also, can someone explain to me why every store is STOCKED TOP TO BOTTOM with FRUITY, KID FRIENDLY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, and nobody says SHIT?

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:12 PM

9. no proof yet

do you want to wait another 10 years to find out if there's real damage?

done here, not worth it

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:25 PM

11. Cigarette smoke is proven to contain innumerable toxins and known carcinogens ... on top of nicotine

It still takes 30-80 years to give the average person serious health problems.

Vaping liquid contains:
1) food-grade Vegetable Glycerin, a substance so safe you can take an enema with it. They makes soaps to be used on the body with it. It's in ingredient in numerous things ingested by humans.

2) Rx-grade Propylene Glycol, which is again an ingredient in numerous things ingested by humans, including asthma inhalers, and to help condition the air in hospitals.

3) Food-grade flavorings, the sorts of which they put into candies and cakes and frostings and whatnot.

4) Nicotine ... an addictive chemical with some known ill-effects.

Now, here's a small sampling of what's in cigarette smoke:

Acetaldehyde - this chemical is used in resins and glues. It is believed to be a carcinogen. Experts say it is likely that it facilitates the absorption of other dangerous chemical into the bronchial tubes.

Acetone - this chemical is used in solvents. It irritates the eyes, nose and throat. Long-term exposure can damage the liver and kidneys.

Acrolein - commonly used in herbicides and polyester resins. It is also used in chemical warfare. Acrolein is an ingredient in tear gas. It is very poisonous and irritates the eyes and upper respiratory tract.

Acrylonitrile - also known as vynil cyanide. Experts believe it is a human carcinogen. It is used in synthetic resins, rubber and plastics.

1-aminonaphthalene - in ingredient in weed killers. It is a known carcinogen.

2-aminonaphthalene - this substance causes bladder cancer. It is banned in industrial uses.

Ammonia - it is known to cause asthma and raise blood pressure. Ammonia is used in cleaners.

Benzene - used in gasoline, causes several cancers, including leukemia

Benzo[a]pyrene - this chemical is found in coal tar pitch, and creosote. It is a known carcinogen, especially for lung and skin cancers. It can also undermine human fertility.

1,3-Butadiene - it is used in latex, rubber and neoprene products. Experts believe it is most likely a carcinogen.

Butyraldehyde - this chemical affects the lining of the lungs and nose. It is used in solvents and resins. It is a powerful inhalation irritant.

Cadmium - a known carcinogen. It damages the brain, kidneys and liver. Cadmium is used in non-corrosive metal coatings, storage batteries, pigments, and bearings.

Catechol - it elevates blood pressure and irritates the upper respiratory tract. It can also cause dermatitis. Catechol is used as an antioxidant in oils, inks and dyes.

Chromium - known to cause lung cancer. It is used in wood treatment, wood preservatives, metal plating and alloys. Those involved in welding have the greatest risk of exposure.

Cresol - acute inhalation can cause throat, nasal and upper respiratory irritation. It is used in disinfectants, wood preservatives and solvents.

Crotonaldehyde - a warning agent in fuel gasses. Experts say it messes up the human immune system. It can also cause chromosomal changes.

Formaldehyde - part of the resin used in foam insulation, plywood, fiberboard and particleboard. It can cause nasal cancer, as well as damaging the digestive system, skin and lungs.

Hydrogen Cyanide - some states use this chemical in their gas chambers for executions. It weakens the lungs and causes fatigue, headaches and nausea. It is used in the production of acrylic plastics and resins, and can also be a fumigant.

Hydroquinone - has a detrimental effect on the central nervous system. Also causes eye injuries and skin irritation. It is used in varnishes, motor fuels and paints.

Isoprene - similar to 1,3-butadiene. It causes skin, eye and mucous membrane irritation. It is used in rubber.
Lead - lead damages the nerves in the brain, as well as the kidneys and the human reproductive system. Lead intake can also cause stomach problems and anemia. It is a known carcinogen and is particularly toxin to children. Lead is used in paint and metal alloys.

Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) - depresses the human nervous system, irritates the eyes, nose and throat. MEK is used in solvents.

Nickel - a known carcinogen, nickel also causes bronchial asthma and upper respiratory irritation.

Nitric Oxide - this is a major contributor to smog and acid rain. It is made by gasoline combustion. Scientists say it is linked to a higher risk of developing Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease and asthma.

NNN, NNK, and NAT - NNN and NNK are known carcinogens and NAT might be one. The three compounds are unique to tobacco. NNN may also cause reproductive problems. NNK is closely linked to lung cancer risk.

Phenol - this highly toxic substance is harmful for the CNS (central nervous system), cardiovascular system, respiratory system, the kidneys and liver. It is used in resins in plywood and construction materials.

Propionaldehyde - irritates the respiratory system, skin and eyes. It is used as a disinfectant.

Pyridine - irritates the eyes and upper respiratory tract. It also causes nervousness, headaches and nausea. Experts say it might cause liver damage. This substance is used in solvents.

Quinoline - it is used for stopping corrosion and also as a solvent for resins. It is a severe eye irritant, is harmful to the liver, and causes genetic mutations. Experts believe it may be a carcinogen.

Resorcinol - irritates the eyes and skin. It is used in resins, adhesives (glue) and laminates.

Styrene - irritates the eyes, may slow down reflexes, and causes headaches. It is linked to a higher risk of leukemia. This substance is used in fiberglass, pipes, plastic and insulation materials.

Toluene - causes confusion, memory loss, nausea, weakness, anorexia, and drunken movements. It is also associated with permanent brain damage. The chemical is used in resins, oils and solvents.

Nicotine - this is not carcinogenic. However, it is highly addictive. Smokers find it very hard to quit because they are hooked on the nicotine. Nicotine is an extremely fast-acting drug. It reaches the brain within 15 seconds of being inhaled. If cigarettes and other tobacco products had no nicotine, the number of people who smoke every day would drop drastically. Without nicotine, the tobacco industry would collapse. Nicotine is used as a highly controlled insecticide. Exposure to sufficient amounts can lead to vomiting, seizures, depression of the CNS (central nervous system), and growth retardation. It can also undermine a fetus' proper development.

Carbon Monoxide - this is a poisonous gas. It has no smell or taste. The body finds it hard to differentiate carbon monoxide from oxygen and absorbs it into the bloodstream. Faulty boilers emit dangerous carbon monoxide, as to car exhausts. If there is enough carbon monoxide around you and you inhale it, you can go into a coma and die. Carbon monoxide decreases muscle and heart function, it causes fatigue, weakness, and dizziness. It is especially toxic for babies still in the womb, infants and individuals with heart or lung disease.

Tar - consists of several cancer-causing chemicals. When a smoker inhales cigarette smoke, 70% of the tar remains in the lungs. Try the handkerchief test. Fill the mouth with smoke, don't inhale, and blow the smoke through the handkerchief. There will be a sticky, brown stain on the cloth. Do this again, but this time inhale and the blow the smoke through the cloth, there will only be a very faint light brown stain.


Now, which do you think is likely to be ... ummmm ... I dunno ... A LOT WORSE FOR YOU THAN THE OTHER?

All that crap in tobacco smoke, and it still takes DECADES to catch up with you. How LIKELY do you think it is that we're going to discover that vaping is REMOTELY as harmful, when comparing those two lists of compounds you're putting into your lungs?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:25 PM

12. There's almost certainly real damage

To your point, it just hasn't been around long enough for us to measure that.

However, it's clearly safer than inhaling cigarette smoke, where you don't need to wait 10 years to see evidence of damage and impacts to the cardiovascular system. As both an ex-smoker and an ex-vaper, I try to explain to people that smoking is like jumping off a second story roof. Might not kill you, but it will almost certainly hurt you. Vaping is probably the equivalent of jumping off a first story roof. Safer than jumping from higher up, much more dangerous than not jumping at all.

Vaping is actually a really interesting problem from a health policy perspective. You'd like people to quit nicotine, but vaping provides a way to stay addicted to nicotine at a lower risk profile than smoking. Since it's "safer", people are less motivated to quit.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:00 PM

8. Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

This bs about banning e-cigs reminds me of Yossarian dressing Snowden's wounds in Catch 22. Ban the assault weapons, you desiccated old fart

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Response to OilemFirchen (Original post)

Tue Sep 17, 2019, 09:24 PM

10. Shouldn't take more than a few million a year to enforce.

I assume it's a ban only on retail sales, but he's just creating a black market.
Then again, if I remember youth, teens can be quite compliant. hahaha

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