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Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:10 PM

Police arrest Minnesota man for arson after a 117-year-old synagogue burns to the ground

Source: Portland Press Herald

A 117-year-old synagogue in Duluth burned to the ground on Monday. Four days later, police arrested a 36-year-old Minnesota man for allegedly setting the fire that destroyed the oldest modern orthodox synagogue in Northern Minnesota.

Matthew J. Amiot was booked on first-degree arson Friday after allegedly setting the historic house of worship ablaze. No one was inside at the time, though six Torah scrolls – sacred Jewish texts handwritten on parchment paper – were destroyed.

At a Sunday news conference, Police Chief Mike Tusken said “there is no reason to believe this is a bias or hate crime” at this time. Authorities have not determined the motive.

According to Duluth fire chief Shawn Krizaj, firefighters responded to the Adas Israel Congregation at 2:30 a.m., Monday. Krizaj explained at Sunday’s news conference that the fire initiated outside of the building but “quickly spread through voids in the wall space and spread throughout the synagogue.

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Read more: https://www.pressherald.com/2019/09/15/police-arrest-minnesota-man-for-arson-after-a-117-year-old-synagogue-burns-to-the-ground/

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Reply Police arrest Minnesota man for arson after a 117-year-old synagogue burns to the ground (Original post)
jpak Sep 15 OP
bluestarone Sep 15 #1
Mc Mike Sep 15 #2
Perseus Sep 15 #8
Mc Mike Sep 15 #9
bluestarone Sep 15 #12
Jedi Guy Sep 15 #5
skypilot Sep 15 #17
Jedi Guy Sep 15 #18
skypilot Sep 16 #24
Jedi Guy Sep 16 #27
LanternWaste Sep 16 #25
Jedi Guy Sep 16 #30
Drahthaardogs Sep 16 #23
MineralMan Sep 15 #3
11cents Sep 15 #4
Sapient Donkey Sep 15 #10
Sneederbunk Sep 15 #6
JI7 Sep 15 #7
keithbvadu2 Sep 15 #11
Evolve Dammit Sep 15 #13
Jedi Guy Sep 15 #19
Evolve Dammit Sep 16 #31
IronLionZion Sep 15 #14
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 15 #15
Behind the Aegis Sep 16 #20
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 16 #28
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 15 #16
Behind the Aegis Sep 16 #21
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 16 #29
geralmar Sep 16 #22
redstatebluegirl Sep 16 #26

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:18 PM

1. Shame! They say not a hate crime BUT

Then they say no motive, Kinda contradicts their theory of no hate crime doesn't it? Just saying.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:33 PM

2. First degree arson, but no bias or hate crime.

Burnt it down premeditated, with malice aforethought. But not because he doesn't like Jews or synagogues.

He's an architectural critic.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:43 PM

8. "He's an architectural critic." - That is funny

I guess they can't give a motive at this time until they do the full investigation. I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:04 PM

9. They should just say we don't know whether or not it's a hate crime, not 'it isn't a hate crime and

we don't know until we investigate, but we're charging first degree anyway.'

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:34 PM

12. EXACTLY!

My thoughts as well!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:48 PM

5. Not really. The hate crime would be the motive. In its absence, the motive remains unknown.

I tend to be somewhat skeptical that it isn't a hate crime, given the current climate. They probably should have said, "At this time, as the motive remains unknown, it does not appear to be a hate crime. That may change in the course of the investigation." Clearly he burned it down for some reason, unless he's a pyromaniac with a history of random arson.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

17. Uh, no.

Just say that the motive is unknown. To speak further on what it appears to be or doesn't appear to be is specious.

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Response to skypilot (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:23 PM

18. Given the automatic assumption from some here that it is a hate crime...

I think it's worthwhile stating that that doesn't appear to be the case at present, with the added caveat that that determination may be made after further investigation. There's nothing wrong with stating the absence of evidence, as long as they don't carry on with that as a premise of the investigation.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:54 AM

24. It might or might not be...

...a hate crime but all that a journalist need say is that the motive is unknown at this time.

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Response to skypilot (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:22 AM

27. I wasn't commenting on what the journalist said.

They were quoting the sheriff, so my comment was aimed more at how I think he ought to have phrased it.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:03 AM

25. Hence, all speculative presumptions must be addressed by the story?

Or just the one?



If the latter, what is the objective and relevant difference?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:30 AM

30. What, no accusation of self-righteousness?

Or was that supposed to go in the blank space in the middle there?

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:10 AM

23. Maybe he's schizophrenic or something?

Eom.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:43 PM

3. Dammit! Throw the book at that asshole!

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:46 PM

4. The guy's FB account is full of Pepe's and photos of guns

But sure, no reason to suspect political terrorism, aka "hate crime."

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Response to 11cents (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:43 PM

10. Which facebook account are you talking about?

I didn't see any pepe memes on the two I found. I did see three pictures of guns, with two of them being the same photos but one of them is edited. He also had some Christianity type photos posted too, but other than it didn't really give much insight into this guy. Even the list of likes was pretty standard stuff.

Did you see a different page?

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:57 PM

6. Just another unbiased guy who likes to burn down synagogues.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:38 PM

7. maybe the poor guy had economic anxiety

 

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:06 PM

11. Right wing Kristallnacht. Some very fine people according to Trump.

Right wing Kristallnacht.

Some very fine people according to Trump.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:07 PM

13. Police Chief Mike Tusken said "there is no reason to believe this is a is a bias or hate crime

Seriously? He just did it because he enjoys burning synagogues.....? I smell nazi enablement again. Also, why was there no follow-up on the Vegas accountant gunman? Anyone know what his "motive" was? Never heard boo in the media in the aftermath.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:33 PM

19. Yes, not leaping to a conclusion is absolutely the same as enabling Nazis.

Also, speaking of leaping to conclusions, why do you assume there was "no follow-up" on the Vegas shooter? Do you suppose the authorities, from local on up to federal, just didn't feel like it? Decided to wash the squad cars that day instead? Too busy chowing down on donuts? In your imagination, did they just shrug helplessly and say, "Ah, why bother?"

To the best of my knowledge, they were never able to determine a motive for the shooting, despite extensive investigation. Either the information required has not (and may never) come to light or its significance has not been recognized, or there was simply no motive beyond a desire to kill people. Sometimes we don't get all the answers to our questions.

Evidently they discovered child pornography on his computers, and also on his brother's computers. Perhaps he had reason to believe he was under investigation and that the hammer would drop at any time, and decided to take as many people down with him as he possibly could.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:47 PM

31. you missed a simple question. I didn't hear any follow-up in the media and sounds likeyou did.

Thanks for sharing more info about the extensive investigation. Curious what news outlets reported it. I can't read everything, so appreciate the insight.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:13 PM

14. Thank God he's not a terrorist



And not a hate crime. I'm sure the synagogue was just a coincidence.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:26 PM

15. Two other houses of worship have burned in the neighborhood in the past three years.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 12:24 AM

20. Were they also results of arson?

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:22 AM

28. IIRC the investigations are still ongoing.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:27 PM

16. He has no known address. Homeless people are often saddled with arson charges because they don't

have the means to defend themselves well and also go along to get easier access to services.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 12:30 AM

21. Where did you discover he had "no known address" and that he is homeless?

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:23 AM

29. Local coverage.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:13 AM

26. His facebook page is full of guns and Jesus, imagine my surprise.

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