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Sun Sep 1, 2019, 01:34 PM

Texas gun laws: Weapons will be allowed in churches and on school grounds

Source: CNN

A series of new firearm laws will go into effect in Texas on Sunday just hours after a shooting left five people dead in the western part of the state.

The laws will further loosen gun restrictions in a state that's had four of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern US history. They will make it easier to have guns just a month after a shooter stormed a Walmart in El Paso and killed 22 people.

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Kris Brown, president of gun violence prevention advocacy group Brady, criticized the bill going into effect September 1.

"Many states took the opportunity in the last two years to learn lessons from the tragedies in Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs, Parkland, and the every day gun violence that plagues our citizens, and enacted new laws to protect public safety through expanded background checks and extreme risk laws," Brown said. "Texas lawmakers, instead ... doubled down on an NRA led agenda to encourage guns everywhere, no matter the risks and costs to safety."



Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-gun-laws-weapons-will-be-allowed-in-churches-and-on-school-grounds/ar-AAFsFiT?li=BBnb7Kz



Just hours after the shooting, apartment owners cannot ban guns and it is okay to pack heat at Church this Sunday.

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Reply Texas gun laws: Weapons will be allowed in churches and on school grounds (Original post)
TomCADem Sep 1 OP
bucolic_frolic Sep 1 #1
sinkingfeeling Sep 1 #2
Stuart G Sep 1 #3
TomCADem Sep 1 #4
blugbox Sep 1 #12
Skittles Sep 1 #7
Evolve Dammit Sep 1 #10
Aristus Sep 2 #18
Skittles Sep 2 #20
appalachiablue Sep 3 #40
cp Sep 1 #5
Sancho Sep 1 #6
PBC_Democrat Sep 1 #8
Skittles Sep 2 #14
at140 Sep 3 #26
Skittles Sep 3 #30
at140 Sep 3 #32
Skittles Sep 3 #33
at140 Sep 3 #37
Skittles Sep 3 #39
at140 Sep 4 #41
TomCADem Sep 2 #19
hatrack Sep 3 #38
modrepub Sep 1 #9
Evolve Dammit Sep 1 #11
at140 Sep 3 #27
cstanleytech Sep 1 #13
ManiacJoe Sep 2 #15
Sparky 1 Sep 2 #16
SWBTATTReg Sep 2 #17
DVRacer Sep 3 #21
SWBTATTReg Sep 3 #24
madville Sep 3 #22
GoneOffShore Sep 3 #23
cagefreesoylentgreen Sep 3 #25
guillaumeb Sep 3 #29
guillaumeb Sep 3 #28
Initech Sep 3 #31
truthisfreedom Sep 3 #34
Paladin Sep 3 #36
spin Sep 3 #35
BlueMississippi Sep 4 #42

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 01:38 PM

1. It will be a mixed bag at best, and far worse probably

when there is a mass carnage event, and every good guy is there with a gun, how do they know WHO to shoot at?

Abbott is on now, and he's making the shootings sound like a miracle. Touting fewer gun restrictions, prayers, and how happy the mother of that 17 month old is that her child is still crawling around. Seriously. Okay she's happy it's not worse, but please, the outcome is not a cause for celebration.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 02:12 PM

2. We need 10 or 20 million people to pledge never to set

foot in Texas. I know I'll never go there again even for connecting flight.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 02:30 PM

3. If 20 million pledge what you say, it will wake up Texans once and for all.

Their economy will be greatly hurt. No visitors on trains, planes, or autos. No visitors coming by boat in any way. No visitors to museums, fairs, or theaters. That will do it

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 03:39 PM

4. Hours After Mass Shooting, Texas Lawmaker Rejects Any Form of Gun Control, Calls for Prayer

I guess it was only a matter of time before a Republican recommended that it is time to go full Beast Mode on the thoughts and prayers:



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/matt-schaefer-texas-state-lawmaker-rejects-gun-control-hours-after-west-texas-shooting.html

State Rep. Matt Schaefer illustrated just how opposed to any type of gun control many elected Republicans are when he staunchly stood up against making any changes to current law mere hours after two towns in his home state were terrorized by a gunman who went on a random shooting rampage. At a time when the death toll of the West Texas mass shooting wasn’t even clear yet, Schaefer went on a rant on social media making clear that the fact that a 17-month-old child was shot wouldn’t make him think that perhaps some gun control could be beneficial. After all, he insists, the problem isn’t the guns but evil.

Schaefer, in a post on Facebook and Twitter wrote that elected officials often hear demands to “Do something!” But he made clear what he won’t do: “I am NOT going to use the evil acts of a handful of people to diminish the God-given rights of my fellow Texans. Period.” And his refusal to do anything includes things that many Americans support, including background checks and banning high capacity magazines. After all, nothing would stop a person with “evil intent,” he added.

So what will Schaefer support? More prayer, of course. “YES to praying that God would transform the hearts of people with evil intent,” he wrote. While he was at it he would also support “fathers not leaving their wives and children” and “discipline in the homes.” The answer is, of course, more guns: “YES to giving every law-abiding single mom the right to carry a handgun to protect her and her kids without permission from the state, and the same for all other law-abiding Texans of age.”

The problem is hardly guns but rather “godless, depraved hearts,” Schaefer wrote.
“Every person needs a heart transformed by faith in God through Jesus.”

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 08:10 PM

12. A couple thoughts, and a question.

How can a man made item be a "God given right", especially if they didn't exist when humans were "created"...

Yes to guns for all law abiding citizens... That's exactly how these mass murderers are getting their guns! They usually didn't have a record, or whatever record they did have didn't prevent them from getting a gun...

Can I physically shove Jesus down his throat?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 05:05 PM

7. be careful

a native Texan may make a joke about that

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:34 PM

10. Never had a desire and even more now.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 10:27 AM

18. I sure as hell am not, and I was born and raised in Texas.

I've never seen any other state quite so in love with its idiotic, Hollywood movie legend.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 07:38 PM

20. I've been in a lot of states

Texas is the only one where people make a point to say they are a NATIVE.
(in reference to your comment, not your Reply title)

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 08:02 PM

40. +1 Done w/ Dixie unless big changes for the better, sorry to say

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:32 PM

5. Molly Ivins always said the Texas Lege was the dumbest and worst

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 04:32 PM

6. Texas takes steps towards the future....



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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 06:53 PM

8. Does Anyone Think That HAVING Laws Against Carrying ...

in schools and churches will deter someone who has decided to commit mass murder?

Several church shootings have been stopped by people with a gun.

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Response to PBC_Democrat (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 03:21 AM

14. it is one sick, SICK culture

needing to have guns to protect ourselves from gun humpers

just out of curiosity, why can't we take guns to Trump's hate rallies? or to NRA conventions?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:07 PM

26. Difference might be private funding versus public funding?

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Response to at140 (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:19 PM

30. the difference is, even gun humpers are scared in this culture

even gun humping cowards think they need to be protected from the culture they created

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Response to Skittles (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:29 PM

32. so true....

My little 9 mm hand gun never leaves the house. It is strictly a last chance defense and I hope never to use it. At my age of 79, that is my only chance to fight to a much younger intruder.

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Response to at140 (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:33 PM

33. alas

it is more likely to be used against you

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Response to Skittles (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:25 PM

37. I practice regularly

every few months at the gun range and can easily shoot inside a 6" circle at 30 feet distant target,
with their rented gun similar to mine.

And my dog has exceptional hearing and will bark at the slightest noise or unfamiliar smell.
Rest assured, an uninvited intruder breaking into the house has no chance to use it against me.

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Response to at140 (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:46 PM

39. it's a sick, sick culture

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Response to Skittles (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:01 AM

41. Yes 400 million+ guns in a country of 325 million

in civilian hands is sick culture for sure. I did not create that culture.
I am just a senior citizen trying his best to protect his home against intruders
who could finish me off long before the cops arrive....if I have a chance to even dial 911 and
explain the situation and give my address. I can use my 9 mm much faster.

If you are saying I have sick culture in giving me the best chance to survive, I couldn't disagree more.

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Response to PBC_Democrat (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 02:03 PM

19. Vox - The "good guy with a gun" myth is just that.

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The problem with laws promoting the proliferation of guns is that on a bad day any good guy with a gun can become a bad guy with a guy. This is why gun ownership is tied to higher incidence of domestic homicides. I doubt that husbands were purchasing guns in the first place on the off chance that they planned to shoot their wives.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/6/16612014/sutherland-springs-shooting-good-guy-gun

It could have been worse, but it wasn’t — thanks to “a good guy with a gun.” That’s what several conservative media outlets, from Breitbart to Fox News to the Blaze, are suggesting following the mass shooting at a Sutherland Springs, Texas, church on Sunday.

According to this narrative, an unnamed armed neighbor saved “countless lives” with his bravery after he intervened with his own weapon at the church shooting, pursuing the gunman who killed at least 26 people in Texas. The gunman was reportedly shot before he shot himself, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt told CNN.

The reports go back to an idea perpetuated by the National Rifle Association (NRA) for years: As the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre put it following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012, “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.” Basically, if more people are armed, they can stop violence before it gets bad or prevent it altogether.

If Texas is an example of this concept in action, though, it sure doesn’t seem to work. Before another armed person intervened against the Sutherland Springs gunman, he had already killed at least 26 people and injured approximately 20 others. He managed to shoot more than 40 people before “a good guy with a gun” reportedly helped stop him.

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Response to PBC_Democrat (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:33 PM

38. Name one . . .

We'll wait.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:01 PM

9. Allow them in the state legislature and Governor's offices

if guns are good enough for churches and schools why not the halls of government?

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Response to modrepub (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 07:35 PM

11. Bingo! What could go wrong with all those good guys with guns?!

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Response to modrepub (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:08 PM

27. add Court houses ..nt

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2019, 08:28 PM

13. More guns to solve gun violence makes as much sense as giving more cocaine to a drug addict

that has a history of overdosing.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 04:50 AM

15. Is there something special about Texas

that makes them more likely to have problems more than the other states that already allow guns in churches?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 06:40 AM

16. When will they learn that votes have consequences? I hope soon!

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Mon Sep 2, 2019, 09:37 AM

17. Don't these people realize that carrying guns isn't the right answer to all problems? If I see...

someone w/ a gun, I'm calling the cops. Period. How do I f**king know that they are carrying legally? Go figure this one out. How are we supposed to know if this is legal (the ones carrying?).

If I see anyone carrying legally in a place of business etc., I will NOT patronize the business. Period.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 12:07 AM

21. That's right

See a mid twenties black man with his legal firearm and call the cops. He hasn’t made any gestures of offense just quietly walked over for an Arizona Iced tea and some Skittles at a gas station. Yup call the police and tell them about your scary man with a gun see how they might overreact due to the panic in your voice that dispatch is relaying to them with the code “step it up”.
Don’t forget to feel your self satisfaction if he gets killed because of you.

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 01:12 PM

24. Your f**king sarcasm is out of place and you're hyper. First of all, I own a gun, and I wouldn't ..

'panic' / say 'ohhh, scary man' etc. when and if I see someone w/ a gun/weapon.

Seems like you are the one getting smug, by riding all over me for no good reason. Go find someone else to pick on.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:10 AM

22. Doesn't really matter as far as mass shootings go

A shooter is already breaking multiple felonies by injuring and murdering people. They wouldn't care if the actual act of bringing the weapon to those locations was a misdemeanor or legal.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 11:41 AM

23. And yet another reason never to go to Texas.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:05 PM

25. The culture has changed

When I was in high school in Texas, late 80s to early 90s, no one really batted an eye at kids keeping rifles or bows in their cars in the school parking lot during hunting season. I really wish I understood what’s changed in the last few decades.

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Response to cagefreesoylentgreen (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:14 PM

29. Millions of guns,

a narrative that US citizens need these guns to defend themselves from a tyrannical Government, and an interpretation of the Second Amendment that insists on an individual right to carry firearms everywhere.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:12 PM

28. Recommended.

Cause, meet effect.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:24 PM

31. And this is why we can't have nice things.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:40 PM

34. I'm glad Texas is so far from the thoughtful North

I wouldn’t want their crazytown ideas spreading to my state.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:56 PM

36. Are you aiming at satire? Or am I giving you too much credit?

Certainly you must be aware that gun misuse is a nation-wide blight.

A satire smilie is available; comes in handy on gun threads....

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 05:40 PM

35. Any area where a large number of people gather that is designated...

as a gun free zone should be required to have adequate, well trained armed security. Right by the “No Guns Allowed” sign there should be another sign that says, “Armed Security Present.”

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:13 PM

42. Now even more people will get killed

crossfire between good guys and bad guys will assure that you'll get shot from the back as well as the front.

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