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Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:05 AM

Collapse us if you can, government dares Brexit opponents

Source: Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government on Thursday challenged opponents of Brexit in parliament to collapse the government or change the law if they wanted to thwart Britain’s exit from the European Union...

... Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit supporter who is in charge of managing government business in parliament, dared opponents to do their worst.

“All these people who are wailing and gnashing of teeth know that there are two ways of doing what they want to do,” Rees-Mogg told the BBC. “One, is to change the government and the other is to change the law. If they do either of those that will then have an effect. If they don’t have either the courage or the gumption to do either of those then we will leave on the 31st of October in accordance with the referendum result.” ...




Read more: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu/collapse-us-if-you-can-government-dares-brexit-opponents-idUKKCN1VJ0JT?il=0



Political opposition to Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s move to suspend Parliament is crystalizing, with protests around Britain and a petition to block the move gaining more than 1 million signatures.

Johnson’s maneuver gives his political opponents even less time to prevent a chaotic no-deal Brexit before the Oct. 31 withdrawal deadline. But the decision outraged critics and is serving as a unifying force for the disparate opposition...

https://apnews.com/38fce2910afa4af799c77362f84433b3

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Reply Collapse us if you can, government dares Brexit opponents (Original post)
Ghost Dog Aug 2019 OP
Arazi Aug 2019 #1
Polybius Aug 2019 #6
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2019 #2
Roy Rolling Aug 2019 #3
Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #4
rurallib Aug 2019 #7
Jokerman Aug 2019 #8
Javaman Aug 2019 #5
saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #9
Lulu KC Aug 2019 #10
sdfernando Aug 2019 #11
rpannier Aug 2019 #12
Skittles Aug 2019 #13

Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:09 AM

1. Remainers need to pull together NOW. There's no more time

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Response to Arazi (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:55 AM

6. There's no way they remain now

Best to hope for is Brexit with a deal.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:20 AM

2. Hard BrExit was never promised to voters. Plus Farage is on video saying he lied about BrExit costs.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 07:48 AM

3. He Will Regret It

I don’t know much about UK politics, but tauntng them has never worked.

Johnson gets his minions to insult the British, taunting them to change the government.

I would put my money on them changing governments.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:21 AM

4. Government Set To Fall. Monarchy Beware:

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Ex-Ambassador Craig Murray, who yesterday pointed out that:

... Johnson has been able to take over without facing the electorate because of the polite constitutional fiction that it is the same Conservative government continuing and nothing has changed. Yet he justifies the prorogation of parliament by the argument that it is a new government and a new Queen’s Speech is thus needed. Johnson is of course famously in favour of having cake and eating it, but the chutzpah of this is breathtaking...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/08/boris-johnson-crosses-the-rubicon-we-must-react-now/


Today writes:

... The monarch appoints the UK Prime Minister. The convention is that this must be the person who can command the support of the majority in the House of Commons. That does not necessarily have to be from a single party, it can be via a coalition or pact with other parties, but the essential point, established since Hanoverian times, is that the individual must have a majority in the Commons.

The very appointment of Boris Johnson by Elizabeth Saxe Coburg Gotha was a constitutional outrage. Johnson may have been selected by Conservative Party members, but that is not the qualification to be PM. Johnson very plainly did not command a majority in the House of Commons, proven by the fact that still at no stage has he demonstrated that he does...

... The monarchy will always be an extremely useful institution in promoting the political aims of the upper classes, not least because of the ludicrous media promulgation of its infallibility. When you have former Prime Minister John Major, senior Tories like Philip Hammond and Michael Heseltine, and the Speaker of the House of Commons himself all talking of “consitutional outrage”, it is plainly preposterous to insist that the monarchy cannot, by definition, have done anything wrong.

The Queen has appointed a Prime Minister who does not have the support of the House of Commons and then has conspired to prevent the House of Commons from obstructing her Prime Minister. That is not the action of a politically neutral monarchy. The institution should have been abolished decades ago. I do hope that all those who recognise the constitutional outrage, will acknowledge the role of the monarchy and that the institution needs to be swiftly abolished...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/08/the-queens-active-role-in-the-right-wing-coup/



‘Treacherous situations’

Labour MP says the monarchy could be abolished after Queen approves PM's plan to suspend Parliament

Kate Osamor, Labour MP for Edmonton ... wrote: “The Queen should look at what happened to her cousin Tino ex King of Greece when you enable a right wing coup! Monarchy abolished!” ... Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he "protested in the strongest possible terms on behalf of my party" in a letter to the Queen and called for a meeting alongside other opposition members of the Privy Council... Senior Labour MP Yvette Cooper said he was "trying to use the Queen to concentrate power in his own hands" while fellow ex-cabinet minister Ben Bradshaw said the move would "drag the monarch into an unprecedented constitutional crisis”...

--- The Queen may face more "treacherous situations" in the weeks ahead after being drawn into the "contentious and divisive" Brexit issue, an expert has said.

Mike Gordon, professor of constitutional law at the University of Liverpool, said if MPs launch a successful no-confidence vote in Boris Johnson, to challenge his proroguing of parliament, the monarch could be in a difficult position if the Tory leader refuses to resign. While, if the opposition parties manage to get legislation through parliament to stop a no-deal Brexit, the government could advise the Queen not to give it royal assent and so become law, against accepted convention...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-mp-says-the-monarchy-could-be-abolished-after-queen-approves-boris-johnsons-plan-to-suspend-parliament-094358752.html

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:59 AM

7. Thanks for these deeper insights to the possible fallout

Let us hope that MPs move quickly to stop Brexit. They have no choice.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 09:06 AM

8. Great read - thanks for the links.

I'm beginning to think that the UK as we've known it may cease to exist.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:46 AM

5. oh boris, you delightful asshole, you will do just fine...

collapsing the British government all on your own.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:40 AM

9. Brexit Protesters take to the streets

What Boris Johnson and the Queen have done in suspending Parliament sounds like our martial law.

This link provides a slide show of the protest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/more-than-13m-people-sign-petition-to-stop-proroguing-of-parliament/ar-AAGsP5t

The Guardian via MSN

More than 1.3m people sign petition to stop proroguing of parliament

Matthew Weaver

August 29, 2019

A petition calling on the government not to prorogue parliament has already been signed by more than 1.3 million people.
It was launched on Tuesday by Mark Johnston, a pro-EU campaigner from Reigate in Surrey, a day before Boris Johnson announced his request to suspend parliament.
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Just after 11pm, the petition passed the 1 million-mark. In some remain-backing areas more than 5% of constituents had signed, according to a map attached to the petition. They included parliamentary seats in Edinburgh, Glasgow, London, Sheffield, Cambridge, Oxford, Bath, Brighton and Bristol.
It is the fastest-growing parliamentary petition since more than 6 million people signed a statement calling for article 50 to be revoked earlier this year.
(Slides of protest available at the link)

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:46 AM

10. QEII is having a bad month

This and Prince Andrew/Epstein. Talk about time to retire? Or do they do that? I can't help but think that Charles would be more helpful right now.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:21 PM

11. The United Kingdom is...well to put it kindly...FUCKED!

There will likely be a hard Brexit, the Ireland question and Scotland not withstanding.

The Queen is quite old. When she passes the UK will break up, if not before. Scotland will exit and rejoin the EU. Australia wants out in some form as well. Charles will be King as the UK is dismantled and becomes a shell of its former self.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:23 PM

12. Rees-Mogg is correct about one thing

“One, is to change the government and the other is to change the law. If they do either of those that will then have an effect. If they don’t have either the courage or the gumption to do either of those then we will leave on the 31st of October in accordance with the referendum result.”

If they do nothing, then the brexiters get their way. It is that simple

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Response to Ghost Dog (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 10:27 PM

13. another fucking divider

Trump clone

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