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Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:47 PM

Trump's lawyers demand MSNBC retract claim his Deutsche Bank loans were co-signed by Russian oligarc

Source: Rawstory.com

Lawyers representing President Donald Trump have demanded that MSNBC retract claims made by host Lawrence O’Donnell that the president’s Deutsche Bank loans were co-signed by Russian oligarchs.

As reported by the Washington Post’s Paul Farhi, Trump attorney Charles Harder sent a letter to NBC Universal that called O’Donnell’s claims “false and defamatory” and demanded that the network apologize for airing them.

Harder also argued that he could prove malice on the part of O’Donnell because “numerous documents for each of these loans are also recorded, publicly available and searchable online,” which would mean that O’Donnell showed “reckless disregard for the truth” when airing his report.

O’Donnell based his claim on a single source whom he described as “close to Deutsche Bank” who told him that “Trump’s loan documents there show that he has co- signers… and that the co- signers are Russian oligarchs.” O’Donnell went on to claim that “if true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.”

Deutsche Bank has so far refused to comment on O’Donnell’s claims.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trumps-lawyers-demand-msnbc-retract-claim-his-deutsche-bank-loans-were-co-signed-by-russian-oligarchs/



My money is on Lawrence. Hello Discovery

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Reply Trump's lawyers demand MSNBC retract claim his Deutsche Bank loans were co-signed by Russian oligarc (Original post)
AKing Aug 28 OP
Gothmog Aug 28 #1
Ilsa Aug 28 #2
bucolic_frolic Aug 28 #3
klook Aug 28 #4
azureblue Aug 28 #16
machoneman Aug 28 #27
Ilsa Aug 28 #39
SWBTATTReg Aug 28 #5
Berlin Expat Aug 28 #6
maxsolomon Aug 28 #9
Control-Z Aug 28 #7
Jedi Guy Aug 28 #13
Control-Z Aug 28 #35
Backseat Driver Aug 28 #33
Control-Z Aug 28 #37
global1 Aug 28 #8
bucolic_frolic Aug 28 #10
Bradical79 Aug 28 #17
IADEMO2004 Aug 28 #11
usaf-vet Aug 28 #12
DrToast Aug 28 #14
elleng Aug 28 #15
HiloHatti Aug 28 #23
elleng Aug 28 #24
onenote Aug 28 #32
HiloHatti Aug 28 #34
edbermac Aug 28 #18
ancianita Aug 28 #26
greymattermom Aug 28 #19
Efilroft Sul Aug 28 #20
machoneman Aug 28 #28
diva77 Aug 28 #21
pnwmom Aug 28 #22
bucolic_frolic Aug 28 #25
Kid Berwyn Aug 28 #29
katmondoo Aug 28 #30
3Hotdogs Aug 28 #31
yaesu Aug 28 #36
Scruffy1 Aug 28 #38
George II Aug 28 #40
BarbD Aug 28 #41
iluvtennis Aug 28 #42
The Newseum Aug 29 #43
YOHABLO Aug 29 #44
czarjak Aug 29 #45

Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:50 PM

1. From my twitter feed

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:53 PM

2. Kharma is particularly bitchy today, eh, MF45?

Trump is always making statements with vague source attributions to his nasty rumors about democrats. "Some people say..."

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:55 PM

3. Yeah! "Many people are saying ...."

Didn't you hear?

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 03:58 PM

4. "All he has to do is show us his tax returns."

Why is he so afraid to show us his tax returns? And while we're at it, how about those Wharton college transcripts, hmm?

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Response to klook (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:26 PM

16. oh, please sue!

there is this thing called Discovery, and the defense can demand documents to prove their contention. And the suit can't move forward without those documents. Failure to provide opens the door to counter suit in which - yep - Don's lawyers have to produce the documents to defend themselves. Gawd how does Don find such drooling idiots?

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Response to azureblue (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:08 PM

27. Yes! Please sue since as stated, discovery will require doc production...or else.

This was bound to happen as we get closer to the truth. They would have been better off to ignore the claim in its entirety. But oh no, Trump must have been furious and w/o listening at all to his lawyers (who must have tried to warn him of the consequences) told them to threaten a lawsuit.

Dumb- dumber-dumbest!

MSNBC knew they'd be threatened and also knew that Trumpyboy must put up or shut-up IF they actually sue. This is the playbook Dumpy ran for years with small-time business, contractors, et al. But now he's in the big leagues and can't understand why he can't get his way.

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Response to klook (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:08 PM

39. "Many people say" he was a really stupid student.

Please, trump, prove me wrong! LOL

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:00 PM

5. rump is loosing control of all narratives...he's let the genie out of the bottle and can't ...

put it back in...

No one is surprised that these guys co signed his loans ... who else in the f((king world would and now we truly know that the so called president of the US is in hock to Russian mobsters.

Time to enact the Amendment to impeach this so called president and remove him.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:02 PM

6. Just saw this on

Lawrence O'Donnell's Twitter feed:

Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the president’s finances that didn’t go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldn’t have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight.



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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:11 PM

9. Great job, Larry.

Why don't you just hand Asshole a club to beat you with?

His Fake News bullshit gets (more) traction. He'll be trumpeting it from Moscow to Pyongyang.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:03 PM

7. What reason would Deutsche Bank have

to not comment? If it weren't true it would be pretty easy to say as much, wouldn't it?

I have no idea what the answer is. I'm hoping someone here can tell me. I'm afraid I want it to be true so badly that it is clouding my better senses.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:16 PM

13. Usually with financial stuff you can't say yes, no, or maybe.

I work in audit and compliance for a lender in Canada. As a for instance, if our accounts receivable group attempts to contact a client who is past due and instead reaches a third party (like a family member), we cannot say or imply that the person has a loan with us. Doing so is a violation of that person's privacy.

Given the high profile (and highly litigious) nature of the client in question here, I'm not at all surprised that Deutsche Bank has kept quiet. It's by far their wisest course of action.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:19 PM

35. Thank you for the answer.

I was afraid it would be something like this. Dang. I was really hoping for something concrete and recorded. I guess that can still be the case. Nothing is ever that simple, though, is it?

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:30 PM

33. IDK, it often takes time for lawyers to dream up some other magical technical foul

committed by investigators' rights of oversight? In the past, it's been a "magic" bullet, a few missing minutes of tape, or the definition of "is" - no matter the poor, poor guilty victim -- I have faith the truth will out and karmic justice will come to the guilty in some way, shape, or form.

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:21 PM

37. I hope you're right.

It feels like the bad guys get away with a lot.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:10 PM

8. I Hope Trump's Lawyers Are Smart Enough To Know Not To Take Trump's......

word for it - that these Russian O's are not a factor. You know - he kind of lies about everything.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:13 PM

10. Lawrence O'Donnell tweets

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:32 PM

17. Yeah, should've done more investigation first

Last thing you need is to fall for some fake news trap.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:13 PM

11. Show us the papers and then we will all be mean to nasty lawrence O. and MSNBC .

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:15 PM

12. O'Donnell went on to claim that "if true, that explains every kind word Trump......

.....has ever said about Russia and Putin.” If true seems like another way of saying, maybe or allegedly or maybe possibly it could be that many people are saying.

After all, it seems it could have just been a joke said in jest.

"If true" the "Chosen One" needs to prove his declaration. "Chosen One", show us a heavenly miracle alter the path of the hurricane bearing down on Puerto Rico. Without using a nuclear weapon. Better yet make it a snowstorm to prove there is no climate change.

But for now, I see merit in the claim that the Russians co-signed your loan. After all, daddy can't.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:18 PM

14. Oops...hope you didn't bet too much!

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:20 PM

15. RIGHT!!! 'he could prove malice on the part of O'Donnell because "numerous documents

for each of these loans are also recorded, publicly available and searchable online,” which would mean that O’Donnell showed “reckless disregard for the truth” when airing his report.'

PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, let's SEE THEM!!!

YES, DISCOVERY!!!

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:54 PM

23. I Don't Know How Loan Documents Are Public Record

 

When in Court, Deutsche Banks attorneys wouldn’t even divulge the names in public of who’s tax returns they have in possession

“Based on Deutsche Bank' s cuITent knowledge and the results of the extensive searches that have already been conducted, the Bank ,has _in__its_possession_tax _returns Qn _either_draft or as_- filed form) responsive to the Subpoenas for ! Redacted :
i Redacted :Inaddition, the Bank has such documents related to parties not '···-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·
named in the Subpoenas but who may constitute "immediate family" within the definition provided in the Subpoenas. The Bank does not believe it possesses tax returns responsive to the Subpoenas for individuals named in the Subpoenas other than those identified above.”

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6354209/8-27-19-Deutsche-Bank-Letter-Trump.pdf

I’ve worked in banking, and other than financing public projects, never was aware of any loan documents becoming public record.

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Response to HiloHatti (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:59 PM

24. Right, NO SUCH THING.

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Response to HiloHatti (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:27 PM

32. They may be referring to UCC-1 Lien (or Financing) Statements

which contain a description of the lien, the identity of the lienholder, and the identity of the debtor. These are public documents.

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Response to onenote (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:47 PM

34. That's True

 

UCC-1s are easily searched through the Secretary of States office in every State. UCC-1s wouldn’t reveal co-signers or if there were any personal guarantees executed.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:34 PM

18. I hope MSNBC is right.

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Response to edbermac (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:06 PM

26. It won't. Speculating isn't lying. O'Donnell just did a "some people" report. MF45 can't sue.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:47 PM

19. So maybe the cosigners are LLCs

owned by Russian oligarchs.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:13 PM

28. Ouch! Not good....not good at all.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:50 PM

21. O'Donnell could pull a "Yes Men" stunt and issue a statement:

"So you're confirming then, Mr. President, that there were no cosigners on your Deutsche Bank loans?"

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:52 PM

22. Or maybe the oligarchs didn't co-sign. Maybe they just said to the private bankers at Deutsche:

Here's a ton of money to invest for me. And I'd like you to invest a small chunk of it in Trump properties, okay?

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:00 PM

25. Where there's smoke there's fire

and it seems this one is awfully close.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:16 PM

29. Stupid Trump doesn't know he's a public figure.

Like that time Larry Flynt wrote about Jerry Falwell losing his virginity to his mother in an outhouse. Drumpf is open to comment, even when most foul.

Or that time Cheatolini claimed Obama was Kenyan. A lie, but President Obama did not and could not sue for slander.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:22 PM

30. Somehow I believe it, just makes sense that Trump needed a cosigner. No other bank was going to give

him a loan.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:27 PM

31. Dan Rather, anyone?

Remember when he was set up?

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:19 PM

36. Remember, we have a one sided justice system, everyone for tRump gets off, anyone against

gets the hammer. Lawrence O'Donnell apologizes was in my news feed so that confirms my fascist government is in full swing belief.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:27 PM

38. It was a set up, maybe.

I just don't know if someone set up O'Donnell or if O'Donnell is etting up Trump. If the latter is the case then the only way he can prove it isn't true is to release the returns.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:01 PM

40. I'd like to see this go further, he'll have to submit documents that disprove O'Donnell's claims.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:25 PM

41. As soon as he said "If true", I knew there would be a problem.

The Russian connection is so obvious, but it is getting really difficult to have hard proof. Sure didn't take Trump long to jump all over this.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 11:57 PM

42. Simple solution, trumpty dumpty should show the loan paperwork with co-signers. He won't do it as

it's likely true that the Russian oligarchs co-signed the loans.

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:29 AM

43. Something is fishy

 

it means there is something about the Russians, something really bad that's why he sent a legal notice.
http://www.thenewzeum.com/Home/ReadMore/456-Deutsche_Bank_disclose_tax_returns_that_are_tied_to_Donald_Trump

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Response to The Newseum (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 04:18 AM

44. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. What's your next move Trump?

Desperate genius ''Billionaire'' Trump had to get Russian Oligarchs to co-sign the loans because no one else would, and only under those conditions, Deutsche Bank was the only bank willing to loan him money. So now it all makes sense that Trump owes Russia big time. Putin's definitely got the goods on him and some of the Republican hierarchy in the U.S. Senate as well. Deutsche Bank has to turn over the tax returns and any banking information thereof. (lets not forget that Justice Kennedy's son who worked for Deutsche Bank and his involvement with this .. and Kennedy's sudden retirement)

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Response to AKing (Original post)

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 02:42 PM

45. Who knew?

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