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Sat Aug 24, 2019, 09:12 PM

12-year-old boy shot at Georgia elementary school

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Source: ABC News

A 12-year-old boy has been wounded in a shooting at an elementary school in Georgia and another child is in custody.

Rockdale County sheriff's deputies say deputies responded to Peek's Chapel Elementary School in Conyers at about 6:35 p.m. Friday and found the boy with a gunshot wound. He was taken to an area hospital. His condition was not known Saturday afternoon.

It's unclear how many other students were on campus at that hour.

Deputies say a boy was taken into custody and has been charged in connection with the shooting. The exact charges and details about the shooting have not been released.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/12-year-boy-shot-georgia-elementary-school-65171116?cid=clicksource_4380645_null_headlines_hed



This would have been several hours after school was done, thankfully it didn't happen while school was in session.

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Reply 12-year-old boy shot at Georgia elementary school (Original post)
groundloop Aug 24 OP
Karadeniz Aug 24 #1
Sancho Aug 24 #2
iluvtennis Aug 24 #3
Sancho Aug 25 #6
iluvtennis Aug 25 #7
Stonepounder Aug 25 #4
3Hotdogs Aug 25 #5
Mike_DuBois Aug 25 #9
Sancho Aug 25 #10
Initech Aug 25 #8
JudyM Aug 25 #11

Response to groundloop (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 09:30 PM

1. Did the shooter get the gun from his parents? Parents are responsible.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 09:49 PM

2. People Control, Not Gun Control


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 11:19 PM

3. Like your people control proposal, but with this some gun control is needed. AR type weapons should

not be in the hands of lay people - they should be banned from lay people and only be allowed for military actions.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 09:19 AM

6. I certainly don't care if some types of weapons are banned...

...but it's an endless argument to define and describe a changing world of weapons: automatics, magazines, plastic guns, etc., etc. (not to mention the future of new devices).

No matter what the weapon is; from a flintlock to a guided missile, dangerous people should not have possession without a serious screening process. If everyone had to show a license whenever they...

1.) bought a bullet
2.) entered a shooting range
3.) transported a gun
4.) went hunting
5.) bought or sold a gun
6.) purchased mandatory insurance

Well, you get the idea. It would not be long before a proportion of the dangerous people would have a much harder access to guns. People who had a legitimate use for a gun would have to jump through a bunch of inconvenient hoops. Those inconveniences are not unconstitutional - just inconvenient. The return is many, many of the shootings we have now would occur less frequently. It would save many, many lives.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:48 AM

7. + agree

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:41 AM

4. Makes perfect sense to me.

Licenses and background checks are all around us. At various times I have had a license to drive, operate a power boat, and fly a light plane.

Both the Mrs. and I have held top-secret clearances (you want talk about background check!).

So checking to see if you a) know how to properly shoot a gun, and b) have a reasonable cause to own it, and c) aren't bat-shit crazy just makes sense to me. I have never owned a gun, never desired to own a gun, and don't allow guns in my home. But that's just me. My sons get together regularly to go hunting and that's OK by me, just don't try and invite me along.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:10 AM

5. + all that and

get rid of the fuckin' guns anyway.

Any gun nut having a problem with that, should be allowed to have one gun so he can continue taking it into the bathroom, holding it in one hand and jerking off with the other hand.

We don't want any of those fine citizens going around sexually frustrated.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:56 PM

9. Some thoughts on your proposals

 

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.

Acceptable, provided the cost to the individual is zero. USSC has previously ruled that the exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be dependent upon the ability to pay.

2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.

I have some 4th Amendment issues with some of this. It's no business of people that don't live with me what I own or possess. As for being examined by a professional, again, at no cost and easy access (no scheduling delays of 18 months, for example).

3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.

Absolutely. Trigger control and muzzle awareness are essential knowledge areas.

4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)

Only if we're going to raise the voting age to 21 and the draft age to 21. The learner permit idea is solid.

5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.

Two issues. Cannot cost the owner a penny, else it's an infringement on Constitutional rights based on ability to pay. Other issue is insurance does not cover deliberate acts of criminal intent. Safe storage requirements make sense to me.

6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.

Yes to requiring license to buy guns/ammo. No to waiting period. What's the point of the waiting period if you've already passed the requirement for a license?

7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).

Seems reasonable. Would need an exception carved out for shooting ranges/gun stores to allow individuals an opportunity to try out something before deciding to buy. Otherwise you end up in situations like in Texas where the police raided a bar and arrested everyone for being intoxicated in public. (Why yes, this WAS a gay bar, how did you know?)

8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.

Disagree. Part of licensing (or an option) should be the concealed carry permit. I'd like to see a National Reciprocity law, just like we have with marriage and driver's licenses. Fully agree about being intoxicated while armed.

9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.

Just like a car. I can get behind this.

10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Yup. Sounds good. Needs to have a solid due process process, but agree.

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Response to Mike_DuBois (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 09:02 PM

10. Have you seen this...

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:41 PM

8. Yeah and teachers should have guns in classrooms.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:11 PM

11. Locking...

after a review by forum hosts.

Local crime does not meet the SOP for posting in LBN, groundloop:
Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.


Please post in GD and/or the Georgia group instead, or in one of the gun issues groups:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172

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