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Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:27 PM

Billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch on psychologist's recommendatio

Source: New York Daily News

Sex fiend financier Jeffrey Epstein was approved to be taken off suicide watch by a “doctoral-level psychologist” at the federal jail where the billionaire ultimately killed himself, a letter from the U.S. Justice Department revealed.

Epstein, 66, had been placed on suicide watch on July 24, after he tried to hang himself in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan.

But he was “later removed from suicide watch after being evaluated by a doctoral-level psychologist who determined that a suicide watch was no longer warranted,” according to a letter sent to the Judiciary Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives on Friday.

The letter, dated Thursday, came from Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd’s office in response to the committee’s demands seeking information about Epstein’s death.

Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-psychologist-pulled-epstein-off-suicide-watch-20190824-ca6w7bm5vfgljhmazw647pn7tu-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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Reply Billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch on psychologist's recommendatio (Original post)
brooklynite Aug 24 OP
Eliot Rosewater Aug 24 #1
cstanleytech Aug 24 #3
iluvtennis Aug 24 #30
Devil Child Aug 24 #6
Eliot Rosewater Aug 24 #7
Devil Child Aug 24 #9
Kid Berwyn Aug 24 #20
FakeNoose Aug 24 #2
BootinUp Aug 24 #11
Yavin4 Aug 24 #24
zonkers Aug 26 #36
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 24 #4
Igel Aug 24 #17
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 24 #19
Historic NY Aug 24 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 24 #12
TryLogic Aug 24 #16
RobinA Aug 24 #31
Hpeer Wednesday #37
SunSeeker Aug 24 #8
Sancho Aug 24 #10
blugbox Aug 24 #14
DBoon Aug 24 #22
BlueIdaho Aug 24 #13
TryLogic Aug 24 #15
RobinA Aug 24 #32
Haggis for Breakfast Aug 24 #18
YOHABLO Aug 24 #21
LisaL Aug 24 #23
YOHABLO Aug 24 #25
amcgrath Aug 24 #26
Polybius Aug 24 #27
Nitram Aug 24 #28
bluestarone Aug 24 #29
hughee99 Aug 26 #33
dchill Aug 26 #34
Hpeer Wednesday #38
dchill Wednesday #39
Baltimike Aug 26 #35

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:29 PM

1. murdered, period

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:37 PM

3. Well if he had dirt on people including Trump having sex with underage girls then it's certainly

possible that they assisted him with his "suicide".

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 11:21 PM

30. Yep, indeed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:42 PM

6. "Assisted suicide"

This case stinks.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:43 PM

7. Right now we would be seeing witness testimony of VERY powerful people doing this

shit, but, instead, NOTHING.

OF COURSE HE WAS MURDERED

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:54 PM

9. Damn right Eliot!

Next comes the massive coverup and trying to write off everything as low-level guard incompetence or “gee whiz pedos often kill the selves so that’s what happened here.”

I wish that every piece of shit connected to Epstein’s child rape club gets nailed. Doubt that wish will ever come true though.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:21 PM

20. Death of principal makes investigation much more difficult. Like the perverted US Atty...

There was a US Attorney, pillar of the GOP community, who thought he was communicating online with a 5-year old child’s mother to arrange sex with the little girl. He really was writing with a Michigan sheriff’s deputy pretending. The guy was a pillar of the community when he was arrested at the airport carrying a little teddy bear. He soon tried to kill himself, was put on suicide watch, and then left to kill himself on his second try.



The Strange Tale of a Pedophile in the U.S. Justice Department

Legal Schnauzer, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2010

The U.S. Department of Justice generated plenty of strange stories during the George W. Bush years. But one of the strangest involved John David "Roy" Atchison, an assistant U.S. attorney in Pensacola, Florida, who committed suicide after being caught in a pedophilia sting in Detroit.

Atchison's sad story has many connections to Birmingham and Alabama. And it raises this question: How did a guy with a shaky work record and a history of run-ins with the law get hired by the world's supposedly foremost crime-fighting organization? Did Atchison attain his lofty position because he had connections to powerful figures in the Alabama legal world?

Investigative journalist Margie Burns examines these questions, and much more, in a series of posts about the Atchison case at her blog, margieburns.com.

Burns begins with the actions that turned Atchison into a national figure in fall 2007:

This is not the story of a man who engaged in pedophilia for years or decades before being caught. It is the story of a man whipsawed by the strain of living up to a high-achieving family rooted in Birmingham, Ala., whose high-functioning connections assisted him for years in developing a career for which he turned out not to be suited. On Sept. 16, 2007, Assistant U.S. Attorney John David Roy Atchison, serving as a federal prosecutor in the Northern District of Florida, was arrested on credible charges of basically pedophilia. Atchison committed suicide in federal prison Oct. 5.

A dead pedophile might not sound like a tragedy. But Atchison was thought to be participating in a pedophile ring, and his death removed a useful informant from law enforcement resources. The question of how he was enabled to kill himself rather than being preserved for justice is one of the loose ends left hanging in his case.

CONTINUED 'though I wish it didn't...

http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2010/09/strange-tale-of-pedophile-in-us-justice.html

———-

Margie Burns detailed how the guy rose up through the GOP ranks, warts and all.



Just another lone nut child molester who died of suicide on his second try.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:35 PM

2. They're not telling us the doctor's name?

Hmmmm...

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:36 PM

11. Their still trying to find one. Nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 05:04 PM

24. Yes. No one will believe "Bob Hartley". n/t

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 26, 2019, 11:12 AM

36. my thought exactly. What a whitewash. But it won't last.

I think Prince Andrew ought to be subpeoned. Perhaps a new administration will dig deeper. This will not stay buried. Convictions may not be imminent but the truth will come out, at least some of it. The financial forensics of Epstien need to be achieved.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:38 PM

4. Malpractice at best. Doc has dead patient on their hands. Could be much worse if there is corruption

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 03:34 PM

17. Not every mistake is malpractice.

Otherwise each doctor would have, at most, one dead patient before being bankrupted by either insurance premiums or payouts--or, if he continued, he'd have to charge for his increased malpractice insurance. So this year, a visit's $120. Next year, $190. By year 10, each 20 minute visit costs at least $1200, and that's before labs.

Moreover, esp. with psychiatric patients, a doctor can be very good at what they do and still be outwitted by patients. My BIL duped a few psychologists. Then he beat up his mother, made his mother drive him to her house so he could look for the book of evil, then set her bed on fire to make sure the book of evil was gone. He called his brother to meet him someplace, and once they were all there he went for the ray gun God put under his truck seat so he could kill all the male members of his family and then save their souls by praying for them. When the ray gun wasn't there, God told him it was a test--and to assault his brother.

It's a good thing he didn't have an actual gun in his truck, one that could be confused with a ray gun.

*That* was enough to get him *observed*. And yet when the psychiatrist interviewed him, my BIL was calm, denied it ever happened or that there was anything amiss. If not for the policeman's report on scene describing his altered behavior, and the fact both his brother and his mother said he was psychotic, he'd have been released. And probably eventually listened to the voices in his head again, and done something *really* crazy. At court, the psychologist's report described a sane, rational, calm man as his patient, referred to the reports, and said that this was not uncommon in high-functioning cases of paranoid schizophrenia. One of the symptoms is being *unusually* calm and collected, to mask what was going on. (On the other hand, had my BIL not been upset but merely trusted the system, he'd also have been calm and collected. Sort of like "silence means you're innocent" but also "silence means you're guilty." Catch-22.)

But people need to believe that Epstein was somehow murdered. So whatever the little voices tell them must be true must, well, be true.

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Response to Igel (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:11 PM

19. Immed prev attempt, high profile case, deep societal interest in getting it right, NOT ENOUGH?


A suicide watch doesn't cost much extra, compared to the public cost already invested in this case: investigation, prosecution, preservation of evidence that might (or probably not) prove Epstein innocent, etc.

A suicide watch doesn't violate his rights or inconvenience him.

In the age of #metoo and "grab her by the", it is absolutely necessary to get such cases right. Thus err on the side of extra caution.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:39 PM

5. So it wasn't his attorney...

it was an employee, how fucking convenient Doctoral-level, sounds like someone in still in school with a PT job. Why not a psychiatrist?

Someone needs to see what the put on the following form.

[link:https://www.usmarshals.gov/prisoner/assessment_tool.pdf|



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Response to Historic NY (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:45 PM

12. A psychiatrist has an MD

A psychologist has a PhD.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:47 PM

16. "doctoral level" does sound like a student. Intern perhaps.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 11:37 PM

31. It Does Not

In some states one can take the test to become a psychologist with a Master’s degree. One could be a Master’s level psychologist or a doctoral level psychologist. My guess in the case would be that they are trying to protect themselves by pointing out that the psychologist, or some psychologist involved, has a doctorate.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:45 PM

37. BOP JOB DESCRIPTIONS

I had a similar question because “Doctoral Level Psychologist” sounded very odd.

So I went to the Bureau Of Prisons site and looked at job descriptions.

A BOP Psychologist is a GS-12 or 13 with a starting salary around $67,000. He is NOT required to be licensed. He is required to “have met all requisites for a PhD.” So that sounds like not even a PhD.

HOWEVER THEY ALSO HAVE INTERNS!!! Apparently an unpaid position.

The requirements description of an INTERN IS

TO be ENROLLED In a DOCTORAL LEVEL PSYCHOLOGIST Program.

There you go, that odd phrase - DOCTORAL LEVEL PSYCHOLOGIST!

https://www.bop.gov/jobs/psychology_internship.jsp

[quote]For more than 40 years, the Federal Bureau of Prisons (Bureau) has trained doctoral-level psychologists. Each of our Psychology Doctoral Internship Programs continues this commitment to training by providing advanced clinical and counseling graduate students with a well-rounded, high-quality training experience. We seek the clinical or counseling psychology student whose personal career goals and objectives can be strengthened, reinforced, and expedited by the training experiences we provide. [/quote]

[quote]
To be eligible for a doctoral internship program position, applicants must be enrolled at least part-time as an advanced graduate student in a clinical or counseling psychology program leading to a doctoral degree.[/quote]


https://www.bop.gov/jobs/positions/index.jsp?p=Clinical%20Psychologist



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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:48 PM

8. Well, that is either gross incompetence or assisted suicide (murder). nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:34 PM

10. Did the psychologist buy a new expensive car?

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Response to Sancho (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:01 PM

14. Or a plane ticket

To a country that doesn't extradite to the U.S.?

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Response to Sancho (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:45 PM

22. has the psychologist fallen out of a window?

nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:53 PM

13. Was that Dr. Bill Barr?

Of Dr. Billy Barr’s Brain Gym and Rope Emporium?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:44 PM

15. As this illustrates, psychologists (+ psychiatrists, etc) can be easily fooled,

especially if the person being evaluated wants to mislead them.

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Response to TryLogic (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 11:41 PM

32. Any High Functioner

who isn’t completely psychotic or manic can fool pretty much anyone they want to.’

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 03:42 PM

18. The federal spin machine is really working over time on this one.

With his record, his history and the people he could name, he should have been under 24 hour surveillance. Powerful people wanted him dead. He had nothing left, so he complied.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:44 PM

21. If one wants to commit suicide, the last thing one does is act suicidal.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:53 PM

23. Well maybe then his previous suicide attempt should have given that shrink a clue?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 06:55 PM

25. It was not a psychiatrist who evaluated him, it was a psychologist.

There's more to this than just a simple evaluation by a professional, I can't help but think that something nefarious was at play primarily by dereliction of duty with the intent to do so.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 09:07 PM

26. So, the psychiatric assessment was a mistake,

And the prison taking him off the suicide watch list was a mistake.
And removing his cell mate was a mistake.
And leaving a bunk bed tall enough to hang himself was a mistake
And having inexperienced agency prison staff on duty was a mistake
And the fact that they fell asleep was a mistake.
And his previous trial was a mistake.
And the decades long 'undetected' child trafficking career was a mistake.

Mistakes happen. The child abuse scandal has hit all the same sorts of misfortunes.

But when a low level criminal makes a mistake, it leads to their exposure and arrest. When the police and courts make a mistake with an 'average joe' people are wrongly convicted, jailed and sometimes executed.

Whereas the wealthy or politically powerful only ever encounter mistakes that benefit them. Every error in this case and the case in the UK - both decades long - have only benefitted the rich and powerful and has only hurt the case of the victims.

I'd love to know what odds they'd put on that in Vegas

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 09:56 PM

27. He didn't try to hang himself on July 24th either

Prove me wrong. I want to see the taped interview after he was roughed up that day.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

28. Arrogant psychobabalists. I'm not saying psychotherapy is nonsense but there

is no valid system in place to separate the quacks from the healers.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 10:33 PM

29. We need to know EVERYONE the psychologist was in contact with for last 6 months.

Something STILL smells really really bad!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:56 AM

33. Epstein was only re-arrested in July.

You think they contacted a psychologist as early as February, to get a guy off suicide watch who wasn’t going to be in jail for another 5 months?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:05 AM

34. "...a doctoral-level psychologist..."

First time I've ever seen that particular phrase.

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Response to dchill (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:59 PM

38. BOP JOB DESCRIPTIONS

I am new to the forum and a little unsure of protocol, etc. so apologies for making a duplicate post, I wanted to make sure you saw this.

What follows is a copy of my reply to a poster above with a similar question.

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I had a similar question because “Doctoral Level Psychologist” sounded very odd.

So I went to the Bureau Of Prisons site and looked at job descriptions.

A BOP Psychologist is a GS-12 or 13 with a starting salary around $67,000. He is NOT required to be licensed. He is required to “have met all requisites for a PhD.” So that sounds like not even a PhD.

HOWEVER THEY ALSO HAVE INTERNS!!! Apparently an unpaid position.

The requirements description of an INTERN IS

TO be ENROLLED In a DOCTORAL LEVEL PSYCHOLOGIST Program.

There you go, that odd phrase - DOCTORAL LEVEL PSYCHOLOGIST!

https://www.bop.gov/jobs/psychology_internship.jsp

[quote]For more than 40 years, the Federal Bureau of Prisons (Bureau) has trained doctoral-level psychologists. Each of our Psychology Doctoral Internship Programs continues this commitment to training by providing advanced clinical and counseling graduate students with a well-rounded, high-quality training experience. We seek the clinical or counseling psychology student whose personal career goals and objectives can be strengthened, reinforced, and expedited by the training experiences we provide. [/quote]

[quote]
To be eligible for a doctoral internship program position, applicants must be enrolled at least part-time as an advanced graduate student in a clinical or counseling psychology program leading to a doctoral degree.[/quote]


https://www.bop.gov/jobs/positions/index.jsp?p=Clinical%20Psychologist

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Response to Hpeer (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:55 PM

39. Thanks. That confirms my suspicions.

Doctoral level does NOT mean one is a doctor, and it probably means one is not. But that's what we're supposed to assume.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Aug 26, 2019, 09:31 AM

35. something's rotten here. nt

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