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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:58 PM

Autopsy finds broken bones in Jeffrey Epstein's neck, deepening questions around his death

Source: Washington Post

By Carol D. Leonnig and
Aaron C. Davis August 14 at 11:20 PM

An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.

Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.

. . .

Attorney General William P. Barr, whose department oversees the Bureau of Prisons facility where Epstein died, has described his death as an “apparent suicide.” Justice officials declined to comment on the new information from Epstein’s autopsy.

. . .

Jonathan L. Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, said a hyoid can be broken in many circumstances, but is more commonly associated with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-jeffrey-epsteins-neck-deepening-questions-around-his-death/2019/08/14/d09ac934-bdd9-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html





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Reply Autopsy finds broken bones in Jeffrey Epstein's neck, deepening questions around his death (Original post)
Judi Lynn Wednesday OP
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:10 AM

1. Autopsy Found Broken Bones In Epstein's Neck


August 14, 2019 at 11:42 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

“An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death,” the Washington Post reports.

“Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older… But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation.”

“The details add to the bizarre circumstances surrounding Epstein’s death, which have launched a wave of questions and conspiracy theories about how he could have died in federal custody. Even President Trump has egged on speculation, without evidence, that Epstein — whose alleged victims say they were pushed to have sex with his powerful and celebrity friends — might have been killed to keep him from spilling the secrets of others.”

https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/14/autopsy-found-broken-bones-in-epsteins-neck/

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:12 AM

2. Thread also going in General Discussion, posted by MelissaB:

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:13 AM

3. Those hospital gurney images showed a guy who looked dead for a long time...

...going by the purple parlor and dried blood flow pattern around his ear holes.



A broken neck happens under a gallows. A shower head? WTF!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:34 AM

6. the other photo showed him intubated and being bagged. (air pushed in manually)

Taken by same photographer, right in the same moments. Here, his mouth is closed, which seems odd. The NY Post photographer took both.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:34 AM

9. His mouth is open in this photo.

Look closely.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:50 AM

21. Not sure why they would be doing that, considering he was likely dead for hours before found.

Did they think they could bring him back from the dead?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:47 PM

30. yes, very odd.

And both pics are taken outside the ER, apparently. With the EMTs.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:58 PM

31. Very interesting photos.

The pic shows the EMTs are giving it “the old college try.”

Perhaps the intubation is through the nose, so the mouth closed shut may not be a tell.



What a story that photographer William Farrington has to tell...

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:42 AM

20. He was presumably dead for a long time.

Guards weren't checking on him for hours from what has been reported.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:32 PM

29. Such a long chain of coincidence or incompetence or anything criminal.



Epstein’s lawyers were reported to have requested he be taken off suicide watch.

So, where’s the paper trail?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:14 AM

4. Apparently it appears he was...

...M word?

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:35 AM

19. Suicided?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:32 AM

5. "Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older"

That won't be enough for those in the "I saw a movie, so it had to have been The Clenis/The Queen/Aliens/Barr/trump" crowd. They'll see "but they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation" and have a field day. Trump will re-tweet all the conspiracy theories and it will be back to reading The Asylum Daily.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:46 PM

37. If something happens one way 90% of the time,

the only conclusion is that every instance is part of that 90%, I guess, and the number making up the remaining 10% is 0.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:39 AM

7. Is this the redacted autopsy report?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:43 AM

8. "...more common in victims of homicide by strangulation..."

You don't say....

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Response to Talitha (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:32 AM

18. Especially the type of suicide he supposedly committed, where he didn't drop from any height.

He supposedly used bed sheet and kneeled forward. So how does that breaks multiple bones in the neck?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:11 PM

38. The hyoid bone is fairly small and delicate

Vertebrae in the neck are far more substantial, and they're in THE BACK.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:49 AM

10. Breaking those bones

takes a fair amount of violence.

How does someone in a supposed self-harm proof cell do that? (Without some help)

Little experiment: Lock someone up in that cell, preferably same age and build as Epstein, and dressed the same.
Then ask them how they would top themselves. (And no cheating by inviting others to come in the cell.)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:52 AM

11. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.

From the little I have read such breaks happen when the person who is being hung or hangs themselves
have been "dropped" for some distance. Epstein did not fall.

My only question is did Putin's boys do the hit or was this the work of blackwater?

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:30 AM

17. Yes, he didn't drop from any height as far as I can tell, instead supposedly using bed sheet to

supposedly kill himself.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:09 AM

12. Leonnig is a real investigative reporter.

This may be getting interesting...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:41 AM

13. Looks more like an "apparent murder" than "apparent suicide"

That's not a conspiracy theory it's an observation

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:41 AM

14. I can just see Putin

reading about this snickering and saying "Amateurs" They should have asked him for advice.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:56 AM

15. Low Barr

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:28 AM

16. A complete investigation by the House

Should be done , and any interference from Barr, trump or anyone including destruction of evidence, lying or legal actions to prevent them from looking into all involved should be signs this was murder. Especially Barr using his position to hide any video's and documents. This looks like Putin's Russia now where the most corrupt and wealthy rule, and they have no rule of laws for them.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:28 AM

22. And he waited till early AM when both guards were "asleep"

Good suicidal timing, Epstein. To know exactly when they wouldn't be coming to check on you.

Where is his body? Has it been released yet? Has it been confirmed by DNA that the body is actually Epstein's?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:33 AM

23. Script is right out of a Mission Impossible episode

Not one but two guards fell asleep?

So here's how it went:

1) Guards are given coffee which is spike with something to put them out.
2) Video is looped so no one is seen moving in or out
3) Epstein is strangled and his suicide staged
4) Epstein was told what was going to happen and did not struggle
5) Order for this was given by someone very high up on the food chain.
6) Order came from one of Epstein's clients who is still active in public office.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:40 AM

24. "Financier" Jeffrey Epstein

If he had been just an average guy, it would have been "suspected child molester and human trafficker."

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

26. YES! +1,000

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:33 PM

35. "Child rapist" is my preferred term for Epstein

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:36 PM

36. Good point!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:52 AM

25. Shreiking, coming from the cell area. Broken neck bone, associated mostly with strangulation:

Clearly suicide.

Else, how would a person who was being strangled, also be able to shriek?


Nothin' to see here. Go back to 'merica's got talent.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:48 AM

27. I have a feeling that once

Trump is out of office, there will be some kind of connection found between Epstein's death and Trump...Trump likes to think of himself as a crime boss...Add Murder? ..hmmm. interesting.

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:02 PM

32. Might be a "will nobody rid me of this meddlesome priest" connection. . . . nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:19 PM

28. Everybody is saying he's DEAD. Has Anyone seen a Body? personally I

don't think he's dead. He's more likely being held on his pedophile Island being Guarded by Trump and Barr's thugs department. hence see the guards guarding his pedophile island? Any guarding his Manhattan property? Just saying.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:49 PM

33. Like i said, murdered, period

sigh

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:32 PM

34. +1000 Eliot!

Everything about this case and Epstein’s history is rotten to the core. With Trump and Barr at the helm us common folk will never know the truth.

I sigh heavily in solidarity with you.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:39 PM

39. That would be my bet as well.

Strangled with a lot of force (to break multiple neck bones) then staged as suicide. The time of suicide he supposedly committed-kneeling with a bed sheet used as a noose-I doubt that would break multiple neck bones.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:35 PM

40. How many now believe that the NYC Medical Examiner is part of a Trump conspiracy?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #40)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:41 PM

41. I don't know anything about that M.E. but it wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened

Remember the Russian oligarch who died in a DC hotel room by accidentally falling on a baseball bat hundreds of times until he died? - According to the DC ME anyhow.

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