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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

Poland honors wartime group that collaborated with Nazis

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Source: Associated Press

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish officials joined war veterans on Sunday to pay tribute to a World War II-era underground force that collaborated with Nazi German forces toward the end of the war in their battle against the Communists, who were imposing control on the nation.

A Mass in Warsaw opened ceremonies honoring the Holy Cross Mountains Brigade of the National Armed Forces on the 75th anniversary of its formation. The partisans were honored for their sacrifices to the fatherland.

President Andrzej Duda’s official patronage and the presence of ruling party officials underlined the right-wing government’s rehabilitation of a partisan unit that fought both Germans and Soviets and which is celebrated by the far right.

It is seen as a part of a broader attempt by the ruling Law and Justice party to appeal to right-wing voters ahead of the nation’s parliamentary vote in October.

Read more: https://www.apnews.com/9eb9502f00724a50aeb33082ff7ce692

'An attempt by the Law and Justice party to appeal to right-wing voters'

'Holy Cross Mountain Brigade', 1945

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:47 PM

1. Poland seems to be going over the edge here in recent years...

I'm Polish, by ancestry, and I've never really been able to say "I'm proud to be Polish", but I do sympathize with my ancestors and the difficult history they have had to endure. The last century was especially brutal, since Hitler planned to pretty much liquidate the Poles and establish a German population to take their place.

For a brief moment I felt proud that they were breaking from the Soviet Union and seemed to be moving toward the west and securing a stable future. Now, not so much. I will always be Polish in ancestry, but once again I feel the same shame for Poland that I feel for being American...when a nationalistic, right wing government takes control...there is very little to be proud of.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 04:00 PM

3. Poland has always been over the edge

including John Paul II who canonized the founder of Opus Dei, I am surprised he didn't canonize Franco.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:33 PM

2. Old saying: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." - Not always true.

Old saying: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." -

Not always true.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:04 PM

4. This sounds like a Ukrainian brigade.

Same sort of thing, except that the Ukrainians did engage in ethnic cleansing.

Both originated in some sense before WWII. Then, during Nazi occupation, they fought the Nazis. This, of course, placed them on the same side as the Red Army, which seemed reasonable when they were both fighting the stronger force. No formal alliance was necessary.

As the Red Army approached, they realized that the Nazis were losing and the Reds were no better, so they turned and starting to fight the advancing Soviet army. In so doing, they then were on the same side as the Nazis, and at that point stopped killing Germans and starting fighting the Soviet Army (when it hove into range) and its underground allies (already present). This took some moxie, considering that the Germans killed a couple million Poles. I suspect the thinking was mostly, "Okay, I'm going to side with the weak against the strong since it doesn't matter who wins, we're royally f--ked--and the stronger the victor, the worse the f--king."

In both cases, there's backstory. Centuries of backstory. Russia was the imperial force and colonizer in Poland for a couple hundred years prior to WWII, and had divvied up Poland as its own special backyard under a Soviet-Nazi cooperation/defense agreement. When Germany took over, the Soviets moved in under the guise of "we're your buddies," rounded up the Polish officer corps and shot them. This, after a brief war when the US was celebrating its victory in WWI where Soviet Russia, the anti-imperialist force, was trying to restore its empire in Poland.

The Ukrainian story wasn't much better, except that Muscovite supremacy over the territory had gone on for longer, and there was the overt, explicit attempt to, in current language and socio-political jargon, cancel and erase the Ukrainians and their history.

Neither movement was especially nice. Both were nationalist in a nasty way, the Ukrainians engaging in a lot of anti-Polish pogroms along the way (with some anti-Jewish pogroms, as well) because, well, Polish was the imperial power occupying Ukraine prior to the Russians' taking over. Sometimes you raise up as heroes people who aren't especially pure and virtuous not for their impurity but because of what good they did due. Mickiewicz, the national poet, had a rather bad side to him. At the same time, he did things that were great for Poles.

At the same time, it's hard to dig down through the layers and layers of anti-fashistskii propaganda. I use the Russian word instead of "anti-fascist" because in Russian if you were anti-Russian you were a fascist, and if you were a Nazi you were a fascist, so the term "fashistskii" might mean a RWer who went around killing Jews and loved Hitler or just one who may have hated Hitler and wanted him and the Nazis gone for gone but was still RW enough to think that Stalin and Leninism-Marxism and international socialism were bad, evil things.

Oh, and it pays to note that in both cases they didn't fight Western forces. In fact, the Ukrainian folks may have had German priests with them, but when the Red Army approached and they resumed fighting the "communists" they also made the decision to move to Western Allies' territory with all due haste and not take up arms against the British or the Americans even as the Germans in the areas they transited were busy fighting the Allies. This made for interesting situations, in which the groups were "collaborating" with the Wehrmacht one day and then walking away the next.

It may be the case that the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend, but the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy's enemy, and my enemy is still my enemy.

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Response to Igel (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:13 AM

5. Oh, you must be referring to these "Ukrainians", right?

And just an FYI, "Akcja Wisla" was perpetrated upon Ukrainians as well as Lemkos, Boykos, Ruthenians and other descendants of White Croatians. I personally know a family whose relatives fought with the Polish army in North Africa against Rommel's Nazi army. They were loyal to their country....Poland. This family lost their home and their land to this operation. The town they and others settled over centuries was ethnically cleansed and the Eastern Orthodox Uniate Church in town was torn down to make way for a playground for "Polish" children. History has a lot of twists and turns and there is always more to uncover that others would rather bury.


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Two years after the dismantling of the death camps at Auschwitz (Oswiencim) and Birkenau (Brzezinka) by the Red army, their allies- the Polish army perpetrated an ugly crime on the Ukrainian inhabitants of the territories annexed by Poland (Lemkivschyna, Nadsiania, Kholmschyna and Pidliascha). Immediately following the end of World War II this ethnic group was rounded-up and deported from their historic lands because of their ethnicity. The whole operation happened in 1947 under the name "AKCJA WISLA" or "Vistula Operation". Innocent people were forcibly ousted from their homes, herded into transport wagons and forced to relocate among a hostile Polish population. The policies on whose basis ethnic cleansing was successfully carried out are valid to this day.

"Democratic" Poland has shown no intention of rectifying the wrongs inflicted on its own citizens of Ukrainian descent. It is highly ironic and sad that the same people who honour victims of Auschwitz ignore and thereby insult the memory of Ukrainian victims of Jaworzno. Jaworzno was itself a former Nazi camp called Dachsgrube, not far from Auschwitz. This is hypocrisy of the highest order: the victims of Auschwitz are mourned by executioners of Jaworzno.

Why is the world ignorant of this?


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