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Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:25 PM

House Republicans Are Pressuring Amazon to Sell Books on Gay Conversion

Source: Vice News

WASHINGTON — A group of House Republicans is urging their members to pressure Amazon to resume selling a set of controversial gay conversion therapy books, after the platform announced this month it would no longer carry works by the “father of conversion therapy.”

The Republican Study Committee, a conservative caucus that includes more than 70% of all GOP House members, issued a handout during a private meeting in the Capitol Wednesday asking members to “contact Amazon with concerns” about what they referred to as “Amazon censorship.”

Amazon removed books by Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, a clinical psychologist who is credited with originating gay conversion therapy, a debunked — and in some cases illegal — pseudoscientific method of trying to turn gay people straight.

Nonetheless, the Republicans want to lobby to get his books — such as “A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality” and “Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality” — back in circulation.

Read more: https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qv7yqq/amazon-gay-conversion-therapy?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

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Reply House Republicans Are Pressuring Amazon to Sell Books on Gay Conversion (Original post)
demmiblue Jul 19 OP
lapfog_1 Jul 19 #1
Merlot Jul 20 #48
SWBTATTReg Jul 19 #2
mountain grammy Jul 19 #44
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 19 #3
Maxheader Jul 19 #14
rzemanfl Jul 19 #4
Me. Jul 19 #5
underpants Jul 19 #6
Demit Jul 19 #7
yaesu Jul 19 #12
Lonestarblue Jul 19 #16
Demit Jul 19 #19
mac56 Jul 19 #21
bronxiteforever Jul 19 #23
Demit Jul 19 #29
mac56 Jul 19 #34
Demit Jul 21 #57
atreides1 Jul 19 #33
durablend Jul 19 #38
Bradical79 Jul 19 #40
Progressive Jones Jul 20 #46
Midnight Writer Jul 19 #32
Mr.Bill Jul 19 #37
NastyRiffraff Jul 19 #43
Merlot Jul 20 #49
Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 20 #50
Betty88 Jul 22 #58
DBoon Jul 19 #8
NBachers Jul 19 #9
dalton99a Jul 19 #11
Dave Starsky Jul 19 #31
Progressive Jones Jul 20 #47
Initech Jul 19 #10
Behind the Aegis Jul 19 #24
Initech Jul 19 #26
Behind the Aegis Jul 19 #28
Initech Jul 19 #30
JudyM Jul 20 #52
tanyev Jul 19 #13
Fullduplexxx Jul 19 #15
milestogo Jul 19 #17
bronxiteforever Jul 19 #18
keithbvadu2 Jul 19 #42
keithbvadu2 Jul 19 #20
Behind the Aegis Jul 19 #22
bronxiteforever Jul 19 #25
snowybirdie Jul 19 #27
bronxiteforever Jul 19 #36
Bradical79 Jul 19 #41
Curtis Jul 19 #35
Chrysanthemum Jul 19 #39
paleotn Jul 19 #45
Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 20 #51
Polybius Jul 20 #53
Captain Zero Jul 20 #54
DeminPennswoods Jul 20 #55
not_the_one Jul 20 #56

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

1. they should allow them to be sold

but only in the "fiction" category... or maybe "science fiction"

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 10:49 AM

48. Why should they "allow" them to be sold?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:30 PM

2. Interfering w/ a business in the decisions that it makes in the normal course of business? Yeah,...

this will really fly, pushing a bigoted and anti-gay pseudo crap...

Why am I not surprised?

Again, republicans are getting desperate, and are trying to divert attention from rump and their poor performance in governing.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:22 PM

44. Exactly!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:32 PM

3. "Congress shall make no law...."

I'll keep putting this up as long as I have to:



Source: https://blog.library.gsu.edu/2012/03/23/secularists-descend-upon-d-c-for-reason-rally/

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:21 PM

14. Conservatives question everything they don't agree with...


Authenticity...intent...Their interpreatation of the constitution..The 2nd amendment...

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:32 PM

4. You'd think the incel part of the Repuke base

wouldn't want the competition. They're gullible enough to think it works.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:36 PM

5. Do They Recognize The Word Illegal?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:44 PM

6. So I guess they want the government interfering in business now

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:45 PM

7. Amazon is practicing censorship, though.

 

The books might be woo, and full of crapola, and I know Amazon is a business that can sell or not sell what it chooses, but I'm not exactly comfortable with the censorship.

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:02 PM

12. Well, businesses aren't democracies but no government should censor any literature. I'm glad Amazon

is taking an active role against hate and abuse propaganda though.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:38 PM

16. I agree.

These books push therapies that are actually harmful. Why should any business choose to make available books or other products that harm people?

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Response to yaesu (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:09 PM

19. I understand it's different from govt censorship, but would you be comfortable with Amazon

 

deciding it disapproves of books on other topics—crazy fad diets, say—and refuses to carry them? Or books about astrology, or the occult?

I don't care, really, it's not a matter of access for me, I get my books from the library. But I do worry about a retail giant with Amazon's reach editorializing on cultural matters. What's to stop it from going further, and labeling what you like as propaganda?

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Response to Demit (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:58 PM

21. Once again, not "censorship."

I'm pretty certain Amazon already has certain types of books that it "pushes" as opposed to others. I don't think that quite rises to the level of "editorializing on cultural matters." It's their store; they can sell what they want. In fact, doing such a thing would be a big boon for small independent booksellers.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:12 PM

23. +1

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Response to mac56 (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:23 PM

29. The books that Amazon pushes has nothing to do with books it refuses to sell.

 

I'm not sure why you think it does. They are not letting a certain category of books languish on the back shelf; they are actively banning those books from their site. Of course they can sell what they want, and of course they are editorializing. They are publicly censuring a specific category of books. I suspect if they were doing this to a topic you are sympathetic to, you'd scream bloody murder.

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Response to Demit (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:51 PM

34. "I suspect if they were doing this to a topic you are sympathetic to, you'd scream bloody murder."

I don't think I would. I believe I'd get it from another source, preferably small and local.

But this is interesting. By any chance, has Amazon declined to carry books in a topic that YOU are sympathetic to?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 21, 2019, 06:10 AM

57. No.

 

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Response to Demit (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:50 PM

33. Sure I would

If it's shown that those books cause harm and can have an adverse affect on the physical and mental well being of a reader...I wouldn't have a problem if Amazon stopped selling them.


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Response to Demit (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:47 PM

38. Last I looked

Amazon is a business not a government and has the right to sell what they want.

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Response to Demit (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:06 PM

40. How about an instruction manual on rape methods?

Or a how to book for pedophiles on grooming children? Or how best to stalk a person of your choosing? A KKK recruitment manual?

Gay conversion therapy is a proven harmful human rights violation, and a technique for hate groups to hurt homosexuals. Comparing it to Astrology is a false equivalence.

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Response to Demit (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 01:19 AM

46. Nobody is forced to shop at Amazon. nt

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:41 PM

32. Walmart doesn't sell porn. Is that censorship?

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:29 PM

37. Then don't do business with them. That is your right.

Look beyond Amazon and the books in question. Should the government be able to tell any bookseller what books they have to sell?

The constitution only protects us from government censorship. This very website we post on censors what we say here and they have every right to do so.

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:14 PM

43. Those books are dangerous

I wouldn't call not selling Nazi sympathizing books, or books promoting racism, or books promoting other types of bigotry "censorship." Those books aren't just "woo," they're dangerous to people's mental and even physical health. The government, any branch of government, has no right to pressure a private business about what it can and cannot sell, other than clearly dangerous products (which, BTW, these books are).

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 10:50 AM

49. It's not censorship.

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:03 AM

50. No it isnt. Its a business decision. Im far more uncomfortable with govt intrusion in the form of

these legislators trying to coerce a private business into selling stuff they've chosen not to sell.

since when is a book seller required to sell every book known to man, present and past. They're not. They are allowed to pick and choose.

Censorship = govt repression.

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Response to Demit (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:13 AM

58. Im sure fine books like that

Can be found on other sites with just a short stop at google.com first. That is not censorship

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:45 PM

8. Why don't they just create a conservative Amazon?

It's a free country nobody is stopping them

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Response to DBoon (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:50 PM

9. Yes, let the Invisible Hand of the Mighty Free Market manifest in their business endeavor.

I think this is a great idea!

Then they can pass laws deporting anyone who doesn't shop there.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:00 PM

11. +1

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Response to DBoon (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:29 PM

31. An online book store for people who don't read books.

Now, that's a business model that Donald Trump would endorse wholeheartedly!

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Response to DBoon (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 01:22 AM

47. I have always wondered about this sort of thing.

They whine about "Hollywood". Well, if there was a market for an alternative, right wing entertainment industry, it would already exist. TV networks, movie studios, etc. They have none of this. These folks do not have the numbers that they believe they have.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:55 PM

10. They should just give the LGBT community the finger and get it over with.

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Response to Initech (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:12 PM

24. They have...multiple times.

It just doesn't get much press outside the queer community.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:19 PM

26. One thing I have repeatedly said is that if the GOP is good at anything...

It's convincing people to vote against their best interests. I have seen and know quite a few LGBT people who are rabid Chump supporters. I just want to scream "THE GOP DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU!!! DON'T VOTE AGAINST YOUR BEST INTERESTS!!!"

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Response to Initech (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:22 PM

28. They are a small minority, but it is frustrating.

Latinos/Women for the Asshole? WTF?! FFS, there have been at least three stories at DU regarding people who voted for the POS, had a family member DEPORTED, and still plan to vote for him again! That is not cognitive dissonance; that is BRAIN DAMAGE!

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:29 PM

30. Brain damage? I'd say it's more brainwashing.

Being fed a constant 24/7 nonstop stream of fear, hate and misinformation can do that to a person.

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Response to Initech (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:53 AM

52. Many think only in terms of short term selfish rewards. This immaturity creates such world problems.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:15 PM

13. Gosh, that seems kind of...fascist.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:21 PM

15. What happened to free market forces

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:55 PM

17. Converting gays to Republicans?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:57 PM

18. Free market means Info Wars can publish them or Regnery

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnery_Publishing
Welcome to the world of Regnery Publishing—lifestyle press for conservatives, preferred printer of presidential hopefuls, and venerable publisher of books for the culture wars. Call it—gracelessly but more accurately—a medium-sized, loosely linked network of conservative types, with few degrees of separation and similar political aims. Just don't call it a conspiracy.

Amazon can choose to sell whatever in a free market.

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Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:40 PM

42. Then our republicans will insist that Regnery publish gay friendly books?

Then our republicans will insist that Regnery publish gay friendly books?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:25 PM

20. How about some successful republican testimonials? Like Dennis Hastert. Larry Craig. Mark Foley.

How about some successful republican testimonials?

Like Dennis Hastert. Larry Craig. Mark Foley. Ed Schrock.

20 Republican Politicians Brought Down By Big Gay Sex Scandals

http://www.newnownext.com/19-republican-politicians-gay-sex/12/2016/

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:17 PM

25. +1

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:21 PM

27. This is the USA

We do not ban books. Let them be sold to the fools interested in that drivel.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:26 PM

36. The book is not banned.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:10 PM

41. They can buy the book. What are you talking about?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:17 PM

35. Do I understand this correctly?

The same people who say a bakery shouldn't be forced to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple want to force a company to sell books they don't want to be associated with selling?

Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:06 PM

39. this is NOT censorship

I doubt that Amazon would sell books encouraging readers to engage in acts of self-harm either. I see the two situations as analogous,

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:30 PM

45. Private business

ass holes. They can sell or not sell whatever the hell the like.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

51. Govt intrusion into the operations of a private business - that's the problem. No "censorship" is

occurring here.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 12:02 PM

53. I didn't realize Amazon stopped selling extremist books

Just recently, they were selling David Dukes' books, one called Jewish Supremacism.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 12:36 PM

54. Amazon should sell some...

Sell them for 89.98 each.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:23 PM

55. My guess is lack of sales made Amazon's

business decision pretty easy.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:31 PM

56. You know... IF IT WORKS...

Conversion therapy can go both ways....

I'm just sayin'...

But it doesn't work. It may just make people lie to themselves, while living a life of misery, all to please others, who's opinions are irrelevant.

It's all the bible's fault. Fuck the bible. I can say that. I'm an atheist, and I have a really low tolerance for bullshit.

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