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UPDATED - Trump expected to end his fight to add citizenship question to census, sources say

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Source: ABC News

By KATHERINE FAULDERSandALEXANDER MALLIN
Jul 11, 2019, 2:01 PM ET

President Donald Trump is expected to announce later Thursday he is backing down from his effort to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census, and will instead take executive action that instructs the Commerce Department to obtain an estimate of U.S. citizenship through other means, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

The expected announcement would bring to a close weeks of escalating confusion within the government over his demands that the controversial question be included in the census despite a Supreme Court order that had blocked the move. The White House declined to comment about what exactly the president plans to

As recently as Thursday morning, administration officials had been repeatedly suggested the president would take executive action calling for the question be added to the census. It was not immediately clear when and why the final decision was made not to move forward with that plan.

Attorney General William Barr, who was expected to attend the announcement, will now have to determine a path forward for three separate ongoing court cases the administration is fighting in Maryland, California and New York over the administration's efforts to add the question to the census.



Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-expected-announce-executive-action-adding-citizenship-question/story?id=64262805



UPDATE:

Trump abandons effort to add citizenship question to census


The president has vowed to fight for the question after multiple legal setbacks.

By ANITA KUMAR 07/11/2019 08:39 AM EDT Updated 07/11/2019 03:56 PM EDT

Update, 3:56 p.m.: The Trump administration is dropping its efforts to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census, President Donald Trump will announce Thursday, a senior administration official confirmed.

Instead, he is expected to direct his administration to obtain citizenship data through other means. The move caps more than a week of conflicting messages from the White House over how it would proceed on the issue following a Supreme Court ruling that blocked the Trump administration from including a citizenship question on the decennial questionnaire.

As recently as Thursday morning, Trump had been expected to take executive action directing his officials to add the question to the census, a step that would have come just days after the Justice Department said it would abide by the Supreme Court ruling barring the question.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/11/trump-expected-to-take-executive-action-to-add-citizenship-question-to-census-1405893

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Reply UPDATED - Trump expected to end his fight to add citizenship question to census, sources say (Original post)
DonViejo Jul 11 OP
TreasonousBastard Jul 11 #1
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #3
SCantiGOP Jul 11 #6
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #7
SCantiGOP Jul 11 #16
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #26
jmowreader Jul 11 #34
sprinkleeninow Jul 12 #53
scarytomcat Jul 11 #18
captain queeg Jul 12 #56
forgotmylogin Jul 12 #57
Thomas Hurt Jul 11 #2
Hoyt Jul 11 #4
Thekaspervote Jul 11 #5
underpants Jul 11 #8
in2herbs Jul 11 #9
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #11
Dem2theMax Jul 11 #12
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #25
Dem2theMax Jul 11 #48
sprinkleeninow Jul 12 #52
Dem2theMax Jul 12 #54
sprinkleeninow Jul 12 #55
mitch96 Jul 11 #10
brooklynite Jul 11 #13
ArizonaLib Jul 11 #33
Voltaire2 Jul 11 #37
ArizonaLib Jul 11 #42
brooklynite Jul 12 #50
ArizonaLib Jul 12 #51
Efilroft Sul Jul 11 #38
Grasswire2 Jul 11 #14
Bonhomme Richard Jul 11 #15
LiberalFighter Jul 11 #17
sandensea Jul 11 #19
maxsolomon Jul 11 #20
Marcuse Jul 11 #21
SWBTATTReg Jul 11 #36
catrose Jul 11 #22
jcgoldie Jul 11 #23
Mr.Bill Jul 11 #27
muriel_volestrangler Jul 11 #32
RestoreAmerica2020 Jul 11 #24
Mr.Bill Jul 11 #28
SergeStorms Jul 11 #29
Mr.Bill Jul 11 #30
Mr.Bill Jul 11 #31
paleotn Jul 11 #35
Voltaire2 Jul 11 #39
paleotn Jul 11 #47
Javaman Jul 11 #40
mitch96 Jul 11 #44
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 11 #41
mr_lebowski Jul 11 #43
JohnnyRingo Jul 11 #45
noneof_theabove Jul 11 #46
SunSeeker Jul 11 #49
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 12 #58
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:51 PM

1. Somebody must have told him that the Current Population Survey and...

American Community Survey (both conducted by Census) already ask about origin and citizenship.

I suspect he will announce this as a great victory, and everyone will buy it because they never heard of these surveys.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:54 PM

3. 'We' already are expecting each colossal failure of his to be

twisted into a fake victory. As 'par for the course'.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:01 PM

6. BUT............

as usual, he will declare a huge victory, which was totally a result of his superior intellect and deal-making abilities.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:07 PM

7. Mister Ed The Talking Horse has it all over the stable jeenyus

and his superior 'thinking' worthy of all living beings' adulation.



On edit: I went initially overboard with the sarcasm emojicon. 😌 One was enuff.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:58 PM

16. You are correct

In fact, the J in his full name stands for "Jeenyus."

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:52 PM

26. Yes, that must be it!


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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:31 PM

34. No, it stands for John

JOHN (noun): a male customer of prostitutes.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:27 AM

53. Also possible. In any event, he's disgusting. n/t

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:29 PM

18. don't tell him that stuff

he probably didn't know about that

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:30 AM

56. That was my first thought; somehow this will be a victory

Instead of further proof of his stupidity. His base will lap it up.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:37 PM

57. Yeah, he's not gonna "back down" - at least not in so few words.

Democrats (something something) hate our democracy (something something) want violent crime (something Your Favorite President something...)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:53 PM

2. not sure I buy it, if he does he will just go and blame everyone he didn't get it his way wah!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

4. He's shown his racist base that he's fighting for them.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

5. Let him call it a victory. He lost, he knows it and we know it

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:07 PM

8. Heard in NPR this morning- there are already other means to do this

Clustertrump

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:08 PM

9. The other day someone on DU posted that they would bet that the citizenship question would

go on the census envelope. This is the only way I can see that Trump will win and we all know what a winner he is.

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Response to in2herbs (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:18 PM

11. So what can one do if taking it out of the mailbox and a

gigantic crow launches a wet plop on the exact spot of the question? 🤔

😂

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:38 PM

12. I have a lot of crows in my backyard.

Thank you for helping me think of something they can do for me.


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Response to Dem2theMax (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:50 PM

25. I have a strong affinity for crows. Documentaries on them reveal they got 'smarts'.

I have a papercut wall art (among other subjects) of crows entitled "For the Love of Crows".

I love how they speak to one another and strut their stuff. 😊

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:10 PM

48. I actually really enjoy watching them a lot.

I have seen documentaries on them, and I do know how smart they are. The ones in my backyard seem to have an extra bit of silly in them. They always have me laughing.

And they are heavy. I can hear them running across my roof in the morning, and until my brain kicks in to help me to remember that it's a crow, I'm wondering what the heck is running around on my roof!

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Response to Dem2theMax (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:25 AM

52. They are free entertainment! Two were perched up on a roof on the condo down the street that you can

see from my front door. They were cross positioned head to head and rear ends outward. They were so gigantic, I kept looking for movement bc I thot it was a TV dish of sorts. No, it was two honkin' crows! I love 'em.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:41 AM

54. That is too funny.

I know a lot of people don't like them, but I can see how smart they are, and they truly are funny. I go out in the backyard and talk to them. They just look down at me as though to say 'what's wrong with you lady?'

They are usually eyeballing my vegetable garden, but one of them got a rat or some other poor creature a few days ago. Three of them sat up on top of one of the telephone poles and just enjoyed dinner together. Yuck!

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Response to Dem2theMax (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:48 AM

55. Enjoying your posts! 💝 eom

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:18 PM

10. The census bureau told Ross the information is already available....

And less expensive to obtain.. Quote from NPR article
" The agency recommended to Ross that compiling existing government records on citizenship is a more accurate and less expensive alternative to adding a citizenship question."
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/22/719159163/has-the-u-s-census-ever-asked-about-everyones-citizenship-status

So as we all know this is all about reducing representation in blue states. Less people counted mean less congressman/woman for that district.. Smoke and mirrors that the judges saw thru.. To me it sounds like a McConnell type rat fucking going on..
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Response to mitch96 (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:41 PM

13. ...but not linkable to reapportionment.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:25 PM

33. Why if there is no citizenship requirement in the constitution is it legal to deport non citizens?

Is this all the result of the section of the constitution that allows the federal government to establish and enforce citizenship or immigration? Does equal protection no apply (darker skinned people being turned away at higher rates than lighter skinned)?

Brooklynite, if you don't have time to answer, I understand - I appreciate the amount of information you contribute to this site.

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Response to ArizonaLib (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:48 PM

37. There are explicit citizenship requirements in the constitution

but the text typically uses 'people' in many places and it is somewhat unclear what that means. There are conflicting USSC opinions, but the most direct ruling holds that people include both citizens and non-citizens who have 'substantial connections' to the 'national community'. That would be everyone living here.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:19 PM

42. Thanks!

Can't wait until this era passes.

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Response to ArizonaLib (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

50. The Constitution enumerates the rights of people in the Country...citizens or not

Hence, a non citizen who commits a crime retains the right of trial by jury, laws of evidence, etc. However, there was no enumerated right to enter the Country or stay here initially (if I were to guess, there were common law rights in the early days). Citizenship was codified by the 14th Amendement ("All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside.". Through the Civil War, there were essentially no regulation on who could come or Stay. The Supreme Court recognized regulation of immigration as a Federal matter in 1875 and the first Immigration laws were passed in the 1880s. As for Illegal Aliens, they are neither born here nor naturalized, so have no right of residence, beyond that allowed by Statute.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:48 AM

51. Perfect

That clears it up really well. Thanks! Good thoughts out to you.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:49 PM

38. You're exactly right, brooklynite (hey, it rhymes)

Using such compiled data would be a violation of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 which requires that the government conduct a headcount of ALL the persons in the United States, citizen or not, every 10 years. ONLY the decennial Census is to be used in the apportionment of representatives for Congress (13 USC 141).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:42 PM

14. Still a good day to donate to the ACLU

...and lend your voice to the cause of liberty as they gear up to fight executive orders that contradict Constitutional imperatives.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:50 PM

15. My gut tells me this was....

Planted by someone that want the question on the census and is goading trump to do it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:10 PM

17. Trump's Executive Action

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:32 PM

19. "through other means"

Right. As in: Mach schnell! Papieren!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:34 PM

20. Fold, then declare victory.

The law has treated him very unfairly, insisting on reasons and shit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:47 PM

21. He and Barr will send FBI agents door to door asking for papers.

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:44 PM

36. And I won't answer the door or their ?s. Govt has no authority to pursue additional ...

data on US Citizens ... we do have privacy laws protecting all of us...I hope!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:07 PM

22. Until tomorrow

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:29 PM

23. Has anyone seen any actual statistics on where these people are that they wanted this so bad?

I'm thinking its mostly about taking votes away from California...

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:02 PM

27. ...and New York.

I've never seen a president work so hard to harm his home state.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:25 PM

32. Pew estimates for 2008 for unauthorized immigrants:

Nevada 8.8%
Arizona 7.9%
California 7.3%
New Jersey 6.4%
Texas 6.0%
Florida 5.7%

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/reports/107.pdf p.30

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:37 PM

24. Did some sit down, provide a visual aid and explain to el odous stupido just HOW THE FUCKING

...WORKS? Sorry for yelling. Thank god for genius of our founders...or else this guy would be king by now.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:03 PM

28. So Trump just basically announced

that the information they need about citizenship already exists. And pretty much said he was the genius who figured that out.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:15 PM

29. Well, his base will believe him.

Those assholes will believe anything he tells them. At least the Orange Hemorrhoid can't can't use those figures to disenfranchise more voters and fuck up monetary apportionment to states that didn't vote for him, which is what he wants.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:18 PM

30. And Barr

even congratulated him on losing this battle. In a way that Trump and the trumpanzees couldn't recognize as such of course.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:23 PM

31. What's really beautiful

is reading trumpanzees in various places on the internet saying "That's it! If there's no citizenship question on the census then I'm not filling mine out!" I always encourage them to do just that, leaving more federal money and representation for my district.

I remember ten years ago idiot Michelle Bachman telling people in her district to not reply to the census. I'm going to recommend it to every republican I talk to on the internet.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:36 PM

35. Once again swerves before hitting the Constitution.

A pity. I think it's going to take a good ole Constitutional throw down to get impeachment started.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:51 PM

39. my guess is that turtle told him that this was not going to fly

And if so it appears that there might actually be a fuzzy line someplace that some of the republican leadership might not cross.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:08 PM

47. I've suspected that.

Somebody is reining him in. Too bad. It would be messy, but might be what's required to finally impeach. The again, unless there's a tape showing him dining on aborted fetuses, I doubt it will move the Senate.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:53 PM

40. you know what just happened right?

the census issue was dead but then the orange asshole tried to create controversy regarding something no one wanted, the supreme court told him to fuck off and it was basically unconstitutional but yet, YET, he tried to revive it.

why?

one name.

epstein.

I honestly believe that trumpy the shit clown thought that this would be a game changer and grab the headlines from a billionaire on paper friend of trump and donater of millions grifter little girl grabber epstein.

someone stepped on his foot and told him, "look, you're fucked and no matter what you do to try and shift the news cycle, epstein is going blow wide open. so lawyer up and shut the fuck up"

just my two cents.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:30 PM

44. "why? one name. epstein. "

Agree... When tRumps access hollywood "grab 'em by the p***y" tape came out the wikileaks email thing leaked out the next day.. A diversion for sure. This smells like the same thing..
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:05 PM

41. "If true, this is total defeat for the Trump Administration."

1000/24thHat (which is quite a lot) Retweeted

Trump's executive actions, requesting administrative records, is what the Census Bureau's experts recommended and what Wilbur Ross overruled. This is why the plaintiffs sued. It represents a total victory for the challengers of the citizenship question.



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If true, this is total defeat for the Trump Administration. It was in December 2017 - more than 1.5 yrs ago - that the Census Bureau recommended that they do this INSTEAD of putting a citizenship question on the Census. They fought for 18 months only to wave the white flag.


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:27 PM

43. It's only a 'victory' until he turns around and insists the numbers he gathered

be used for some bullshit purpose, like demanding that since his numbers show that 5.8% of State X is actually 'non-citizens', their census numbers should have that % removed from them when calculating how many House seats each state gets, etc.

Then again, he SHOULD be in jail by the time he could even possibly get a chance to do so ... so there's that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:51 PM

45. I think he'll just add it.

Then find someone to blame.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:02 PM

46. Really believes his is king


legislation by decree

This is an oligarchy, fascist state, putinism........

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:11 PM

49. We ALREADY take estimates of the number of citizens through "other means," just not via the census.

There is no need for "executive action." And it also demonstrates how needing to know the number of citizens was never the real reason for the census question -- we get that through other surveys. The real reason was, and is, to get an undercount (inaccurate low count) for people of color to screw them out of representation...because they tend to vote Democratic.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:59 PM

58. Federalist Society stalwarts were shocked and floored by how "weak" the decision was.

Uh oh.



Sources familiar with the situation say the president’s Supreme Court adviser Leonard Leo and other Federalist Society stalwarts were shocked and floored by how “weak” the decision was.


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:05 PM

59. Is this constitutional? Sounds like Germany in the 30's

"I am hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and noncitizens in our country," Trump said in a Rose Garden announcement on Thursday afternoon. "They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately. We will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete, and accurate count of the noncitizen population."

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