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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:42 PM

Iran humiliated as 'five ships FAIL to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf standoff'

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Source: UK Expresd

IRANIAN ships have failed to hijack a UK oil tanker in the Persian Gulf in a huge blow to Tehran on Thursday, according to reports.

According to Sky News the ships, thought to be Iranian, attempted to seize the British tanker as it skirted close to Iranian waters. The ship was ordered to change course before the alleged Revolutionary Guard ships tried to seize the tanker. The Royal Navy frigate, HMS Montrose had been escorting the ship.

When the Iranian boats demanded that it changed its course, the frigate turned its guns on them and issued a warning, according to reports. 

Upon issuing the warning, the Iranian ships retreated.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1151881/Iran-news-latest-update-World-War-3-khamenei-Middle-east-UK-oil-tanker-persian-gulf-Trump/amp

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Reply Iran humiliated as 'five ships FAIL to seize British oil tanker in Persian Gulf standoff' (Original post)
Jose Garcia Jul 10 OP
ck4829 Jul 10 #1
cstanleytech Jul 10 #2
ck4829 Jul 10 #5
cstanleytech Jul 10 #8
reACTIONary Jul 10 #15
cstanleytech Jul 10 #21
reACTIONary Jul 11 #26
Massacure Jul 10 #24
reACTIONary Jul 11 #27
oldsoftie Jul 10 #9
reACTIONary Jul 10 #12
hack89 Jul 10 #13
saidsimplesimon Jul 10 #3
DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 10 #11
keithbvadu2 Jul 10 #18
liberalmuse Jul 10 #4
ripcord Jul 10 #6
ck4829 Jul 10 #7
ripcord Jul 10 #10
ck4829 Jul 10 #14
reACTIONary Jul 10 #16
cstanleytech Jul 10 #22
Eugene Jul 10 #17
bronxiteforever Jul 10 #20
reACTIONary Jul 10 #19
cloudythescribbler Jul 10 #23
mr_lebowski Jul 11 #25
reACTIONary Jul 11 #30
jpak Jul 11 #28
reACTIONary Jul 11 #31
nitpicker Jul 11 #29
Omaha Steve Jul 11 #32

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:46 PM

1. "thought to be Iranian"... "alleged Revolutionary Guard"

Hmmm....

And I love the URL: "WORLD WAR 3", totally not sensationalist... at all.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:48 PM

2. I know but the odds are it actually was them because the truth is the people in charge in Iran

are not much more stable than Donald Trump.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:53 PM

5. It's just convenient we had a "surveillance aircraft" overhead to record the whole thing too

Will wonders never cease?

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:00 PM

8. Given the potential for conflict in the region surveillance craft should automatically be assumed

from all sides especially with drones as they are not exactly expensive to purchase and they are a hell of alot cheaper usually than a manned aircraft.
As for what happened I think it probably was someone with an ego the size of a small mountain that thought the tanker captain would roll over kind of like how Trump with his ego the size of a small moon thought Mexico would roll over and pay for the wall.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:21 PM

15. You are absolutely right, except that....

.... the stones are not necessarily cheep. The global hawk that was recently shot down costs $220 million .

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:31 PM

21. I know those ones are not cheap but I am referring to Iran as well as other powers in

the region and in a fix some of those powers like Iran could get by with some far cheaper drones for surveillance.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:43 AM

26. True (nt)

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:53 PM

24. The Global Hawk is the Cadillac of drones though

The United States as 360 Predators and 160 Reapers, and they only cost $4 million/$16 million respectively. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the military has a couple dozen of these stationed in the Middle East.

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Response to Massacure (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:44 AM

27. No doubt (nt)

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:00 PM

9. We have surveillance over the entire area at all times. Its 2019. Not that hard.

Several drones can stay on station for 24 hrs at a time, not to mention JSTARS, which can cover 100s of miles from one location.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:14 PM

12. Are you kidding...

... this has got to be the most heavily surveilled waterway in the world! No coincidence, just standard operating procedure.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:15 PM

13. Every square inch of those waters is under surveillance 24/7

Why do you think we have so many drones?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:49 PM

3. So, Iran no longer has

oil reserves? "thought to be Iranian" (OK that's proven?). What was the failed attempt, who reported it and can we verify via trusted sources?

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:12 PM

11. The Iranians likely tried to seize it in retaliation

for the Iranian tanker the Brits seized last week.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:36 PM

18. "trusted sources? "

Many of these type events/stories take 2 or 3 days to finally get an accurate version.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:49 PM

4. I smell a rat.

Sorry, will need to have it verified that this isn't Russian or US propaganda before I even begin to believe this really happened.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:56 PM

6. Whoever they are the are damned lucky

Trying to force the tanker to change course gave the frigate every right to open fire.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:58 PM

7. Nobody was going to fire on anybody

This sensationalist 'story' is just ridiculous, they aren't even trying anymore.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:09 PM

10. So you are saying the Brits set this up at Trump's orders?

Really?

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Response to ripcord (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:16 PM

14. Maybe it wasn't the Brits

"5 ships"

What were they really? 5 rowboats? 5 battleships? 5 rubber duckies?

Something's fishy in the Gulf of Tonkin... er, Persia.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:31 PM

16. The Iranians run a fleet of ...

... small, fast, armed speed boats. It may be an exaggeration to call these ships, but they are armed and dangerous.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:34 PM

22. Given the area there are not many powers in the region who would try this but at the top of the list

is Iran.
That aside I do not think it justification for any proposed reprisal given the fact that the boats retreated after being warned off.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:34 PM

17. The Daily Express is a right-wing tabloid with a "mixed" record for factual reporting.

That said, CNN reporting of this incident is available here:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/iran-attempted-seize-british-tanker/index.html

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Response to Eugene (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:45 PM

20. +1 I wonder why anyone here would post the daily express?

Especially with their support of UKIP.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:43 PM

19. Iran basically announced that they would do this...

Britain’s seizure of an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar last week will not be “unanswered”, Iran’s armed forces chief of staff, Major General Mohammad Bagheri, said on Tuesday, according to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

“Capture of the Iranian oil tanker based on fabricated excuses ... will not be unanswered and when necessary Tehran will give appropriate answer,” Bagheri said.




https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a-iran-tanker/british-capture-of-iranian-tanker-wont-go-unanswered-officer-idUSKCN1U40HO

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

23. remember UK seized ship at US behest ... DT Admin still driving rising tensions w/Iran

the point here is to step back and look at the bigger picture

things were actually relatively stable -- not perfect, and Iran was doing lots of things US and NATO didn't like, but they WERE abiding by the nuclear accords by all credible observers, and they were NOT engaging in a policy of systematic provocation

then, for reasons of his own, including domestic politics and fulfilling a promise to his rabid core base, DT pulled out of Iran accord unilaterally, subsequently ramping up sanctions, including on 3d party countries & interests trading w/Iran.

it's no secret that powerful forces in the DT Admin (Bolton only most visible but don't forget close highly militaristic Saudi ties) are itching for war w/Iran, and have made no secret of it

so part of this policy of provocation was to seize an Iranian oil tanker. as for violating sanctions on Syria, everyone knows that Syria war is over for all practical purposes & Assad just finishing up/mopping up remaining pocket(s) of resistance. this is no time for EU countries to be seizing Iranian tankers while US trashing important Iran nuclear deal, and Iran now breaching uranium limit

so UK seizes tanker, but has to use EU sanctions as (more palatable) excuse. Iran retaliates, and UK responds w/threat of force. Iran seeking to assert itself while AVOIDING war, while UK doing US bidding (as w/Assange and Ecuador/UK) in provoking Iran by seizing oil tanker. Shame on UK admin, which is totally unpopular, and thus more dependent on US

those who are marching urging NO WAR ON IRAN happen to be right

those who suggested DT would somehow be less dangerous/imperialistic than HRC were just blowing smoke

our country's leadership is engaged in a policy of brinksmanship, and as in Iraq War, they have managed to rope UK into it

i will assume that UK military folk in this incident had little choice, but they sure as hell did NOT have to seize an oil tanker in this volatile situation. shame on UK for going along w/nutjobs occupying the US White House!

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:14 AM

25. +1 well said (nt)

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Response to cloudythescribbler (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:23 AM

30. I don't disagree....

.... however, there has been a good deal of conspiratorial innuendo and accusations concerning "false flag" operations and the like, in this thread and others related to these incidents.

I think it's a good idea to remember who we are dealing with and to be realistic and clear minded about what is going on in the world.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:46 AM

28. Color me skeptical

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Response to jpak (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:24 AM

31. Skeptical of what exactly?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:25 AM

32. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites ONLY!

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