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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:34 PM

'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting

Source: Politico


The House speaker urged liberal Democrats not to criticize their centrist colleagues in public.

By HEATHER CAYGLE and SARAH FERRIS 07/10/2019 11:38 AM EDT Updated 07/10/2019 12:14 PM EDT

Speaker Nancy Pelosi chided progressives in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, calling on them to address their intra-party grievances privately rather than blasting their centrist colleagues on Twitter.

Pelosi’s comments, which were described as stern, came during the first full caucus meeting since a major blow up over emergency border funding last month between progressive and moderate lawmakers as well as a recent spat with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and her freshman allies.

"So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats, according to a source in the room. "But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just ok."

Democrats inside the room said they interpreted that remark as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the “Child Abuse Caucus” in a tweet over their support for the Senate’s version of the emergency humanitarian package.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/10/pelosi-progressives-twitter-1405763

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Reply 'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting (Original post)
DonViejo Jul 10 OP
groundloop Jul 10 #1
DownriverDem Jul 10 #48
pangaia Jul 10 #57
reACTIONary Jul 10 #70
PatrickforO Jul 12 #112
pangaia Jul 12 #113
lapucelle Jul 10 #56
bucolic_frolic Jul 10 #2
ancianita Jul 10 #11
Horizens Jul 10 #52
redstatebluegirl Jul 10 #3
matt819 Jul 10 #4
titaniumsalute Jul 10 #6
Larrybanal Jul 10 #12
intheflow Jul 10 #18
qazplm135 Jul 10 #53
intheflow Jul 11 #102
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happy feet Jul 11 #105
intheflow Jul 11 #106
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BeyondGeography Jul 10 #9
zipplewrath Jul 10 #29
BeyondGeography Jul 10 #30
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George II Jul 11 #108
HopeAgain Jul 10 #31
eilen Jul 11 #88
HopeAgain Jul 11 #91
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BeyondGeography Jul 10 #39
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:37 PM

1. I tend to agree with Madam Speaker on this point

One thing repubs have excelled at is party discipline, we could take a lesson from that. I'm not saying that young progressives shouldn't express their opinions, but don't do it in a way to make it look like we're weak.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:13 PM

48. Me too

We need to unite. What some folks don't get is the country is moderate.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:26 PM

57. But, I seem to remember whenever polls are done, even to dems, reps, and inds,

that many/most of the "liberal' ideas, positions ARE favored by americans.. It;s just when the wrong terms are used, explanations are not made, questions are asked in the wrong way, that the country seems 'moderate.'

Don;t correct me if I am wrong, I have trouble with criticism.


Just kidding.... well, maybe a little...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:02 PM

70. This is the house, the Americans that count....

.... are the Americans in the Representative's district, not Americans as a whole. And their Representative knows their opinion.

Another factor is the difference between support for an abstract or ideological policy and support for actual legislation. Many folks are interested in getting something done and understand the trade offs that have to be made.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #57)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:55 AM

112. Well, I'm not going to criticize your point. I think it is quite valid.

I also think we need more aggressive action on impeachment hearings - at least CALL them that.

As to AOC - well, I didn't really want to come on here for a few days because I knew many, many, many on here would be piling on.

It got ugly, and I believe Pelosi's dismissal of these four women will backfire on her, and on the Dem leadership.

I'm sorry for it, but AOC, and the others are trying to get some action, and I don't think they will back down. And I don't think they will be defeated for reelection, either. I believe the Democratic party leadership is quite stuck with them, and good luck keeping them down.

If Pelosi isn't careful, the party is headed toward a rift just as we need to be united. But to be careful of the potential rift, Pelosi and the Democratic leadership will have to take vigorous and aggressive action against Republicans.

I guess we'll see how it plays out, won't we?

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:25 AM

113. It's interesting here....

one day everybody loves Pelosi if she does something.
next day the love AOC if she does something. and visa versa..


Not knowing the story of the feud I think they both have very valid stances And both make mistakes.
Pelosi perhaps in lumping together especially the 4 new progressive WOC, who just HAPPENED to be WOC..
And AOC was just as wrong to accuse Pelosi of going after the WOC, which I do not believe for a second would ever have entered Pelosi's mind.. just coincidence...

Eh, what do I know. I'm just a 'drummer.'

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Response to groundloop (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:25 PM

56. Here's the context.

“I hope there will be some level of respect and sensitivity for our — each individual experience that we bring to this Caucus,” Pelosi said. “You make me the target, but don’t make our Blue Dogs and our New Dems the target in all of this because we have important fish to fry,” Pelosi said.

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Pelosi also told the assembled Democrats that if they, or a member of their staff, had thoughts to attack another lawmaker on social media they should "think twice," according to the senior aide.

"Actually, don't think twice; think once," Pelosi said.

"That was a very poignant moment in there," the senior aide said.


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/452422-pelosi-scolds-democrats-for-public-barbs

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:38 PM

2. She's right of course

though drueling with anger and rage at the state of things, we need party discipline not division. the image we portray to the world is important. There are tradeoffs, compromises. But keep eyes on the prize.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:01 PM

11. +1000

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:19 PM

52. Yes, Of Course

she's right.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:39 PM

3. I agree with Nancy, we need to get it together.

This faction of our party are going to bring us down, no doubt.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:43 PM

4. Look, I get it

United front and all that.

But don't muzzle these new voices. Use them.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. Pelosi is a long-time pol. But we are not living in the same world that she was in as she matured in Congress and gained the position she has now.

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:44 PM

6. It isn't about muzzling new voices

It is about what to tweet and what not to tweet. Tweet against donald Trump all day. Don't air your dirty laundry about other Dem members. It is making us look weak and pathetic.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:11 PM

12. weak and pathetic

which is what we are lately

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:40 PM

18. "It is about what to tweet and what not to tweet."

Um, that's muzzling their voices. It's asking them to voluntarily forego their first amendment right of free speech to support their own party's agenda on points they disagree with. But, yeah, we Democrats should all walk in lockstep like Republicans do, because that's working out just fine for the country.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:19 PM

53. so if someone says

hey maybe don't call your fellow Dems members of the child abuse caucus because of one vote you didn't like, you interpret that as "marching in lockstep?"

Mkay.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

102. Telling people - and ESPECIALLY POC - how to talk and act

is a form of systemic racism and control. Pelosi isn't calling out Warren, she isn't calling out Sanders for supporting much of the same legislation. She's tone policing, and it's bullshit.

Also, I never called any Democrat a child molester or even a Republican. But really: telling elected Democratic officials how they should interact with their constituents is trying to get the party united by excluding some voices. Excluding people is what Republicans do best. We Democrats need to do better. Much better.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #102)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:35 AM

103. stop

I'm a POC. If I act in a way that's improper, I probably should be called out just like anyone else.

This turning it into a racial issue is bullshit.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #103)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:09 PM

105. I'm a POC too and I agree with you

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #103)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

106. Everything in America is a racial issue. It's woven into our DNA. n/t

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:45 PM

8. I think it's a matter of how the 'new voices' express themselves

Calling other Democrats names isn't going to accomplish anything. Talking with each other is the way to get things done.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:17 PM

15. The one thing we don't need is an internal Twitter war

I have noticed this new group of Congress people don't seem to take well to people criticising them.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:38 PM

82. Primarying them will accomplish even less.

We don't need all this division

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:15 PM

49. The country

is more with Nancy than you think. We have to win the middle if we want to win the Electoral College and beat trump.

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Response to matt819 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:39 PM

60. Niether is she. I get tired of the idea that older Dems are living in the past.

The legislation that all Dems are working on is for today and the future. Fresh ideas are needed but the new Dems can’t do it alone.

There is nothing inherently special about young politicos. There are always younger people coming along. It takes a majority in the House and Senate to pass the bills young Dems want. Also it takes a Dem President to sign them. It takes young and old working together to bring about a progressive agenda.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:43 PM

5. Exactly how it should be done. Glad Madame Speaker laid down the law.

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Republicans would love to see nothing less than a divided Dem caucus so they can conquer. That's one thing about the Rethugs, they stayed united during Obama's administration and blocked him at every point. Rand Paul and Cruz were the most outspoken, but even they came around.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:21 PM

55. Appeasement Is A Dirty & Nasty Word

And to accuse the Dems of such is way out of line.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:34 PM

38. Pelosi/Biden politics you say? What is that?

Just curious.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:35 AM

96. I think it means, middle of the road, status quo, stay the course, tentative, and weak.

This is certainly not the stance which will inspire the American people. How about some support for those courageous enough to take strong positions? Instead of the Party demanding everyone embrace their slow-walk, how about they embrace those leading the charge for change?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:16 PM

50. Learn the game

Then you'll change your mind about Nancy.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:30 AM

101. I'd rather change the game.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:45 PM

7. Democrats fall in love...

Republicans fall in line.

Mark Twain said that a lie can circle the globe before a man can put his pants on. In today's social media culture, that time can be reduced to the second it takes to form a thought bubble.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, because we keep giving the MAGAts amunition.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:48 PM

9. You must be kidding

Don't tweet? We finally have someone who knows how to use social media effectively and the answer to our problems is don't tweet?

Btw, this all got out of hand because Pelosi had a complaint and she talked to Maureen fricking Dowd about it, who did what she does and used Pelosi to make Democrats look bad. So excuse AOC for tweeting in self-defense. Next time, I guess she can just wait for MoDo to call.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:09 PM

29. It's about what to tweet

Tweet about your issues. You can even lament outcomes you didn't support or like. But don't target your complaints towards specific democrats or internal democratic caucuses.

And honestly, right now, it's time for "more honey than vinegar". I.e. it is the time to be winning over conservative democrats, or at the very least increasing the popularity of your positions with the electorate so that the conservative democrats are swayed by their own constituents to move towards your positions.

No speaker ever likes particularly active or independent first term congressional members. Alternately, the list of speakers that ignored them at their own peril is long. Some day she'll need them and she'll need a basis for engaging them. Personally I think that day is more distant than it is near. But I could be wrong.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:12 PM

30. This is only happening because she mocked them

To Maureen Dowd of the NYT no less. The honey/vinegar ratio got out of whack right there.

And she's taking ZERO responsibility; she doesn't do regrets, ya know.

The rookies aren't blameless but she's the Leader.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #30)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:20 PM

34. Everyone's been walking a fine line

I think the thing that sparked the current exchange was over the compromise bill with the senate. That was a bridge too far for many and those that voted for it were feeling out on a limb and didn't wanna hear anything. I did find the whole "come talk to me" statement interesting. I do wonder just how "close" to Pelosi a first termer can get or whether that gets staffed out pretty quickly.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:14 PM

108. No she didn't "mock them" to Dowd. Dowd misquoted her.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:12 PM

31. Thank You!

I couldn't have said it better other than to add that sometimes we seem hellbent on alienating young progressives.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:26 AM

88. The problem is who were the ones targeting individual representatives

on Twitter, name-calling etc. I would say the alienation was on the progressive end. If they were not so willing to throw their fellow Democrats under the bus, maybe they might get other reps to vote with them.

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Response to eilen (Reply #88)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:07 AM

91. Not likely

Sometimes, when they vote for the wrong reasons, they need to be called out.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:29 PM

36. again, pelosi shows she is completely out of touch...

Great example of dinosaurs not knowing where or how the battle is now being fought.

They fundamentally do not get that they cannot control all the channels of communication, that there are new ways to communicate and win vs the centralized power "authority" of old. That these ways are just if not more important than "strongly worded letters", etc.

Did they learn nothing from trump in terms of how the dynamics have changed? That there are multiple battlefronts and things move at 200x faster speeds? Stunning....


And no, this is not about "staying on message" etc, and especially about "winning". It's about power and control.







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Response to Locrian (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:36 PM

39. We can hate on Trump all we want but he has changed the game

The power of open communication is real, even if we think it's a steaming pile coming from him. The way they see it, he cares enough about his base to communicate freely with them. That's filling a human need, not a Republican need. AOC doesn't have 4.8 million followers because she's sending out rote statements.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:55 PM

44. the game....

trump - by accident found that crowd surfing, real time A/B testing, and social media change everything.

It's changed the way the world works and perceives....

Think of EVERY "institution" that used to centrally control info and authority:
* Sports - now we have scandals, doping, protests etc - live or die by social media
* Religion - abuse, exposed - cannot cover it all up easily
* Politics - whole new level of information - immediate info for research (and fake news) no getting away (internet memory is forever) etc
* Medical - distrust - what do you do before and after a doc visit? Google it

And on, and on and on. The game is DIFFERENT. Things can be researched (yes good and bad), movements created (metoo, etc), you can't get away with the soundbite on the news that disappears. You don't have to go to microfilm to find out what happened 2 years ago. It's instantaneous and moves super fast.

That is why there is so much distrust and confusion of the state of things. Everything is in question and we have to learn how to figure it all out and make use of it. Because it's not going away.

Not saying some of the old things we'ren't good - but they HAVE to get that the battle ground has changed and make effective use of it.

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Response to Locrian (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:05 PM

46. I'm an old print dinosaur on the run from social media myself

I pivoted to conference organizing in order to stave off the reaper. No one's job gets to stay the same forever in American capitalism.

Change has been much slower to come to government but their cheese is getting moved too. Even with the extra layers of protection such as safe seats and strict seniority rules. Ain't no stopping it. You don't threaten people who are good at the new rules into submission for long.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:26 PM

58. I'd rather read a book...

oldschool too..

But I love how AOC is able to run rings around most of them.
The one constant thing I guess is change.
And I've seen it again and again how people resist it and the cost.
And I've also seen moving too fast - it's a balance but we're WAY over on one way.

Thing is now we have almost no time left to avert global catastrophe re climate change.
And then I see a lot of people who just want a "not trump" and some kind of soothing "back to obama" era ...sigh...

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Response to Locrian (Reply #58)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:31 AM

86. Thank you for

your comments here. I agree completely with your points listed. Well said.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #86)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:54 AM

98. no problem

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Response to Locrian (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:25 PM

72. Calling your fellow dems the "child abuse caucus" is ...

... making "effective use" of social media? I'd say no.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:31 AM

89. Agreed. And it doesn't take a wunderkind to figure out how to use Twitter.

Trump has figured it out. It's not rocket science. Other statesmen prefer to remain dignified.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

99. Indeed. It's especially insulting in light of the Epstein case developments. (nt)

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Response to Locrian (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:19 PM

71. If we are talking about the "the child abuse caucus".....

... tweet, you are way off in your assessment. That is not how the battle is fought and the fight is not against the dems.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:56 PM

69. +1000 "Do as I say not as I do"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:55 PM

10. when you stonewall and strong-arm, people are going to tweet if no other recourse

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:16 PM

14. Aren't Dems supposed to be a big tent party?

It's a different world today and the younger generations have no problem speaking their minds and calling a spade a spade. They grew up in a world of social media and know how to use it. That actually is an advantage we should cultivate, not discourage.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:47 PM

20. I have a different take, though i agree with you in general

If you have a gripe, take it up with the person(s) who concern you. The problem with battling tweets is multiple. 1) i think it more difficult to clear up conflict without a robust dialogue, and you can get a more candid and thorough back and forth face to face. 2) Any and every social media post runs the risk of misappropriation by nefarious actors. I am not against social media use, just desiring judicious employment of this platform. 3j Why air out our disagreements on social media? I am just not sure of the upside.Perhaps if you can’t resolve issues, I can understand it.

Just my opinion.

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Response to Raven123 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:08 PM

28. Doesn't take any courage to blast someone on twitter, face-to-face...

well that's a tad harder.

Also more adultish, if that's a word. Be a man or a woman and inititate a face-to-face dialogue instead of sharing Dem dirty laundry with the world.

Why do grown people even have to be told that?

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Response to brush (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:31 PM

59. Except social media IS how the younger generations

communicate. Face-to-face talking is becoming a thing of the past. Watch younger people with their cell phones, they aren't calling each other, they're texting, they're on facebook or twitter or instagram or snapchat or some other platform. No one is using their voice to communicate.

Supporting McConnell's Senate version of emergency funding was a really hard call for a lot of Dems. They wanted to do something about the plight of these immigrants and children, but they didn't want to give the Trump administration carte blanche. The message coming out of the vote could easily have been that in the interest expediency and compassion, the House accepted the Senate bill with its lack of accountability and understood that some members chose to take a vote on principle.

McConnell must still be laughing at getting Dems to fight among themselves.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:19 PM

75. Yep, if you're tweeting it to the world even a fossil like turtleman will find out

Time to become actual adults and learn to form alliances with others, power blocks. That ain't gonna happen with tweets. You might actual have to get up, put the phone down and walk to someone's office. Or go to lunch with them.

They're in the big leagues now. Get smarter.

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Response to brush (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:41 PM

61. I agree with you.

Don't air your dirty laundry in public. This was a basic tenet of polite society. I think with advent of cell phones this basic rule died a quiet death. I gave heard people argue, back bite, curse and generally air their drama while on their cell phone in a public space. Couple this with the fact that it IS easier to confront or insult someone when not face to face and you get a generation of people that never learned or practiced "Don't air your dirty laundry in public.".

Speaker Pelosi is right and she must set the example as the leader. She must also be accessible and fair handed so as to encourage House members to come talk to her, especially for the newest Representatives who may be intimidated by the greatness that is Speajer Pelosi. She's a rock star even why you may disagree with her. For their part, the Representatives need to trust their leader, follow her example in this area and respect Speaker Pelosi's experience and achievements.


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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:14 PM

32. Actually adults who have a problen with another adult should talk to...

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them face-to-face instead taking the lack-of-courage way to blast someone on twitter and to the world.

Act like a grown up, you're in the big league now. Social media can be useful but airing Dem dirty laundry? No.

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Response to brush (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:44 PM

68. I know, imagine if you had an issue or disagreement

at your job and instead of talking about it, you went on social media-- Twitter and LinkedIn and said those kinds of things. You certainly won't find yourself with good work assignments, important projects, greater responsibilities. Why do young people do this? Because they are immature, self-centered and socially and professionally inexperienced.

I think that is what is called a pink slip expressway.

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Response to eilen (Reply #68)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:05 PM

74. Right. Guess good judgment comes later to some than others.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:37 PM

16. She's not wrong.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:45 PM

19. If Nancy refuses to budge then they have no choice

And please Nancy, glass houses. Just because Twitter is foreign to you, you also throw back your own disrespectful barbs at the progressive wing, AOC and others using traditional media. Calling them insignificant and they should shut up etc... It goes both ways.

Maybe Nancy should realize she needs to listen instead of threats to shut out the new voices.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:49 PM

21. Good Nancy. A little decorum is in order.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:53 PM

22. Agree. Big K&R!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:54 PM

23. From my twitter feed

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:00 PM

25. Indeed.. privately and respectfully

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:41 PM

79. That's only smart.. will they

follow Nancy's sage advice?

Nancy would l like to win the House in 2020, too.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:54 PM

24. I can sympathize with both sides of this particular question.

It's more than a little hypocritical for Pelosi to aim a remark at AOC and her colleagues in an interview, and then get upset when AOC pushes back on Twitter. Pelosi took a shot in public, and then doesn't care for it when the fire is returned in like fashion? I see what she's saying, but practice what you preach, you know? Whether AOC "deserved" the remark isn't relevant to me.

That said, I do agree that Democrats in Congress (and elsewhere) ought to be mindful of what goes out under their name on social media. Disagreements are fine, provided that they're handled in a mature and respectful way within the party. The out-in-public battles do nothing to help us and everything to make it easier for the usual suspects to harp about Democrats being "in chaos."

I feel like everyone involved here needs to take a deep breath, let bygones be bygones, and resolve to go forward in a better way, with the understanding that the same expectations apply to everyone, from freshman Congressperson to Speaker of the House.

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Response to Jedi Guy (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:08 PM

27. Child abusers caucus was over the line

No class.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:36 PM

40. I agree, that was way over the line.

I was referring more to Pelosi's "whatever" remark directed at AOC and her colleagues, and AOC's response on Twitter.

Hopefully this gets sorted out and grievances between Democrats will be discussed privately, rather than splashed across social and traditional media for the world to gawk at.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:00 PM

26. Read all the remarks, and reread the post again....some are missing the message

I didn't read "don't twitter". I read ".. do not tweet about our members.." That's an infringement on First Amendment rights? Come on....that's bull shit. You all realize EVERYTHING that politicians say, write, tweet is scarfed up and can be used in a political pot shot later down the line. I hate it when the repuKKKes quote some progressive or some other Democrat that criticizes another Democrat. It does make us look weak, especially to their mentally starved masses.

I'm not a huge fan of Twitter, but if we're going to use it, and we should...then let's use it smart. You got a problem with Democrats....then what is accomplished by feeding it to the repuKKKe propaganda machine. Another example of circular firing squad...something Democrats are especially good at.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:29 PM

35. that's what I read too

and I agree with your assessment

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Response to Hulk (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:38 PM

41. That was my takeaway from this, as well.

If infighting absolutely has to happen, keep it behind closed doors. Airing dirty laundry in public is not wise or productive.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:49 PM

43. That would be fine if she wasn't using criticism of the moderates to deflect blame

for her own ill-advised comments in the NYT which elicited the worst of the return fire in the first place.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:32 PM

37. They don't hold the majority if they push them away.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:40 PM

42. It's bizarre behavior to call out a collegaue on Twitter that could be addressed face to face...

if they truly have an issue with someone or a vote. Dem representatives can literally walk across the chamber and speak with someone.

I get that people like to Tweet. And I also understand how people use Twitter to draw attention. It seems like a poor way to influence someone. It would be a big turnoff for me if a colleague were tweeting to put pressure on me.

Social media is garbage mostly.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:55 PM

45. I cannot disagree with the leader & leaders must lead which is what she is doing here. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:05 PM

47. Sounds like Nancy wants to control the political dialogue within the Party. I'm 50/50 on this.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:16 PM

51. Sound advice.

Someone on the other side should tell the president how harmful his tweets are.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:20 PM

54. If tweets bother Nancy so much, then why not impeach the twitterer-in-Chief?

Oh, I forgot, "he's not worth it". And of course why talk about Trump being accused of rape, when she can be "stern" to AOC and the other three members of her own caucus.

Demoralizing.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:44 PM

62. She Has A Point

However.... I think she may be misreading where things stand. Do we go after centrists or progressives? I lean toward keeping the liberal Millennials engaged, so they show up in droves. If we do that most College educated white women will go along.

We are at a dangerous place right now, we need all three branches ASAP.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:45 PM

63. in other words..

keep it in house. Same goes with any team-mates, work-partners. Talking out of school, is not a good thing, unless you're looking to crash and burn, and take some bodies with you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:58 PM

64. Does that mean no positive comments

on the wisdom of a centrist position? I'm going all in in 2020. Imo, we need a message that will appeal to voters 40 and below. What's Biden's plan for our future, or the Congressional majority. Give them a vision, why should they get involved?

(ICQ is still running? Is it a troll village or a good mix? Hello, anyone listening? snark)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:33 PM

65. God yes! Enough of this silly and childish "govern via twitter" nonsense, please!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:58 PM

66. She's right

Take complaints to leadership. Don't act like Dotard.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:24 PM

67. Can't we agree that our party needs some fire in our belly?


If it takes a "Firebrand" to drag us into the light,then so be it.

Is it that the old guard sees the immense popularity of AOC and others that actually believe that we as Democrats should stand in stark contrast to the Republicans,instead of conveying that old middle of the road centrist nonsense.Isn't this what lost us the last election?No offense here,but isn't the same thing happening all over again,where we are being told we need a popular centrist name as our standard bearer,and losing the youth vote in the process?

If I was forced to choose between The Speaker,and AOC,I'd choose AOC all day long.I suppose the muzzling of the vocal firebrands is exactly what this is all about?

There is a reason these new people are so very popular.Maybe we should take note,and embrace them,instead of appearing to be punishing them.

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:37 PM

73. Sorry, but accusing your fellow dems of being members of...

... the "child abuse caucus" seems a bit self destructive. Not sure how that's going to do anything to bring in the youth vote. This is exactly the sort of nasty rhetoric that turns young folks off. Doesn't strike me as being embraceable at all.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #73)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:36 PM

77. Must have missed your meaning.No worries...I do it pretty regular. :)


I'm sorry that I don't understand the "child abuse caucus" reference reACTIONary.In any event,if we are going to be the progressive party,maybe we should try to actually progress.

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #77)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:46 PM

80. From the OP...

Democrats inside the room said they interpreted that remark as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the “Child Abuse Caucus” in a tweet over their support for the Senate’s version of the emergency humanitarian package.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:51 PM

109. Not only that but if The Squad isn't really

down with Pelosi then I can't imagine their contemporaries are either. That's a whole lot of people.

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:24 PM

76. I've been saying it for a long time

it's time to pass the baton already, well PAST time

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #67)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:49 PM

81. Nancy knows what she's doing.. she

wants to Win the House Again in 2020.. like she helped do the last time with the BLUEWAVE when at least 40 Red Seats were Flipped to BLUE.

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:25 AM

93. "Punishing?" What are you even talking about?



What "Punishment?"

AOC says in January that she "give zero f*cks" what people say about her confrontational style, and Pelosi makes a single comment in a dismissive about how twitter followers don't give anyone an extra vote on the floor, and AOC hits the roof, bashing Pelosi on twitter.

I guess her skin has gotten much thinner since then. Way too thin to be Speaker.

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Response to Harddaysknight (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:44 AM

97. "Drag us into the light" From what "darkness?"

Can you specify what you mean?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 09:39 PM

78. do not run off and complain to Maureen Dowd...

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 10:55 PM

83. Our political leadership is the product of our society

Popular politics exhibits extreme tribalism, slap downs, knee-jerk reactions, etc., all instantly published on social media. Why would we expect our political leaders not to be the same? AOC is riding high on a wave - why should she change?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:10 PM

84. From my twitter feed

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:10 AM

85. I hate twitter politics

We get enough of that from The Oval Office Toadstool. People feel safe to say things they would otherwise not say in public.

Pelosi is absolutely right. We don't fight in public. Its divisive within the party, and gives the rethugs ammunition.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:05 AM

87. I don't understand

Why didn’t Nancy confront Marc Pocan directly, like she’s advocating, instead of complaining publicly to Maureen Dowd about four women who did not make the remark? Is newsprint any different than Twitter? They both will stay on the Internet forever.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:20 AM

92. Leading by example?

Yes, that would have been much healthier than the choice she made.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:28 AM

95. "Complaining?"

Can you point out the "complaint?"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:00 AM

90. I hope they ignore Pelosi

and continue to fight for US!

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #90)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:27 AM

94. They elected her their leader, many many times. Why do you think they would or should ignore her?

In what way is Pelosi fighting "against" us?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:15 AM

100. I'm just going to come right out and say it.

We need a change of leadership.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

104. This is a clash of generations

The younger generation doesn't want their thoughts filtered and censored. They are passionate, confrontational, and willing to call people out. I think we need more of them!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:51 PM

107. I guess I don't understand the meaning of

Closed door meeting.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:50 PM

110. Sorry, but people like AOC are the future of our party.

They might not have the same opinions as her, but they will be like her - media savvy, open to talk to the press, unafraid to defend our party’s core principles.

Nancy Pelosi is yesterday’s Democrat. It’s time to get new leadership.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:48 PM

111. "So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it,"

and she will do NOTHING. AOC and her progressive sisters have a huge following among this countrys people of color...and her chiding these women like children is going to LOSE the votes these followers have...think about that...

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