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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:30 AM

Greece election results: Landslide for centre-right New Democracy after Syriza concedes defeat

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Source: The Independent

Greece’s centre-right opposition party has won the country’s parliamentary elections, as Golden Dawn, the far-right anti-immigrant party who were previously Greece’s third-largest, lost each of its 18 seats.

With more than 99 per cent of votes counted, Kyriakos Mitsotakis’ New Democracy party had 39.85 per cent of votes, compared to 31.5 per cent for Syriza, the leftist party led by prime minister Alexis Tsipras.

Mr Mitsotakis’ victory has brought an end to Mr Tsipras’ tumultuous four years in office, in which the left-wing leader battled against the EU and austerity.

The New Democracy leader said Greek voters had given his party a “strong mandate” for change, bucking a recent trend in European elections towards populism and Eurosceptic parties.



Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greece-election-results-golden-dawn-new-democracy-mitsotakis-tsipras-a8992906.html

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Reply Greece election results: Landslide for centre-right New Democracy after Syriza concedes defeat (Original post)
Recursion Wednesday OP
sandensea Wednesday #1
DetlefK Wednesday #2
reACTIONary Wednesday #3
ChiTownDenny Wednesday #5
DetlefK Wednesday #6
yaesu Wednesday #7
nycbos Wednesday #4
DonViejo Wednesday #8

Response to Recursion (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 03:48 AM

1. The inevitable result of Syriza's turning its back on its anti-austerity platform, and going IMF

As former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis put it:

Lest we forget, it was immediately after the Greek people’s magnificent NO vote (on the 2015 Greek bailout referendum) that Mr. Tsipras invited the leaders of New Democracy and pro-austerity forces to help him convert the NO vote into a YES.

Thus, a referendum that had the capacity to confine New Democracy to the dustbin of history was annulled and the people overthrown by an alliance of Tsipras and New Democracy.

Is it any wonder, once Tripras passed every austerity measure and privatisation bill demanded of him by the troika with the implicit and explicit support of New Democracy, that New Democracy is back?


That said, All the Best to Mr. Mitsotakis. He certainly has his work cut out for him.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 04:12 AM

2. What many people refuse to understand is that there was no alternative to brutal austerity.

The greece government falsified EVERY SINGLE financial report they sent to the ECB in the years 2000 to 2009. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING when they joined the Euro, they lied.

For decades before the crash Greece was a cesspool of mismanagement, government-waste, corruption, embezzlement and tax-evasion.

Then the crash comes.

And Greece somehow MAGICALLY expects that the EU to throw billions into that cesspool of mismanagement, government-waste, corruption, embezzlement and tax-evasion, purely because Greece PROMISED to stop lying about their finances and PROMISED to stop falsifying EU-documents.








Imagine, you and a friend are co-owners of a business. Then it turns out that your friend has been stealing from the business and cooking the books since the very first day the business opened.
And AFTER you have found that out, he shows up at your door, he promises that he will stop stealing, he promises he will stop cooking the books, and then he asks you for a loan and promises that he will eventually pay it back.

Would you give him that loan with nothing but his promises as assurances?
Or would you impose conditions on the loan?

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 06:21 AM

3. +10 nt

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:28 AM

5. You're grossly mistaken.

Until the Great Recession, the USA had the highest military expenditures as a percentage of GDP; Greece had the second highest (its centuries long disputes with Turkey). When the Great Recession hit, Greece tried to cancel billion euro military contracts with Germany (and France). Germany (and France) balked at the idea claiming cancelling the contracts would be severely detrimental to its (their) economy . A bankrupt Greece, one of many bankrupt European countries, was forced to pay Germany (and France) for military equipment it could no longer afford.

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Response to ChiTownDenny (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:45 AM

6. Really?

What about the un-needed top-notch military equipment that Greece bought purely for showing off against Turkey? You lament that they could "no longer" afford the equipment, which is a straight-up lie. Greece was NEVER capable of affording that equipment, neither before the crash nor after.

What about Greece bringing in Goldman Sachs to cook their books?

What about Greece backdating future income into the present to cover up that they are up to their necks in debt?

What about the fakelaki-culture of bribery?

What about Greece employing a record-breaking number of government-employees, which had cushy jobs since they could never be fired?
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/22/jeff-atwater/greece-employs-three-times-many-government-workers/

And in case you didn't get it: What about Greece straight-up falsifying records and documents?
https://www.ft.com/content/33b0a48c-ff7e-11de-8f53-00144feabdc0



Do you think that Greece would have stopped falsifying documents if not for pressure from the EU?
Do you think that Greece would have fired their surplus government-employees if not for pressure from the EU?
Do you think that Greece would have cracked down on embezzlement and bribery and corruption if not for pressure from the EU?
Do you think that Greece would have cracked down on tax-evasion if not for pressure from the EU?

What do you think why the greek people were so angry when tax-evasion was suddenly treated as a crime? Because for decades Greece had let its rich people get away with tax-evasion. And now the common people were angry how THEY were supposed to pay for the mistakes of the rich and for the misdeeds of the former greek governments that THEY had elected into office.

Do you think that anyone in Greece was not aware of the everyday-corruption and everyday-bribery and everyday tax-evasion?
How come they kept electing governments that kept this kind of behavior going?
Decades! In all those decades they never elected a government that cleaned house!

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:46 AM

7. I'm sure the banksters would love us to believe this, I know of some real cheap swamp land..... nt

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 08:43 AM

4. Good that Golden Dawn is out.

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Wed Jul 10, 2019, 12:06 PM

8. Locking...

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