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Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:55 AM

Four to Face Murder Charges in Downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

Source: The New York Times


By Andrew E. Kramer
June 19, 2019

MOSCOW — International prosecutors on Wednesday said that four men, including three with close ties to the Russian military and intelligence, would face murder charges in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine five years ago, killing 298 people.

Fred Westerbeke, the chief prosecutor of the Netherlands, said that the trial would begin in the Netherlands on March 9, 2020. The accused are unlikely to be present, however, since three are in Russia and the fourth is believed to be in the breakaway region in Ukraine. But investigators said they would seek international arrest warrants for the suspects, and put out a new call for more witnesses.

“This is the start of the Dutch criminal proceedings,” Mr. Westerbeke said.

Three of the suspects are Russian, the investigators said at a news conference in Nieuwegein, Netherlands: Igor Girkin, a former colonel in the F.S.B., the Russian domestic security agency; and Sergey Dubinsky and Oleg Pulatov, who have worked for the G.R.U., the Russian military intelligence agency.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/world/europe/mh17-ukraine-russia-suspects.html

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Reply Four to Face Murder Charges in Downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (Original post)
DonViejo Jun 19 OP
IronLionZion Jun 19 #1
Brainfodder Jun 19 #5
Blue_Tires Jun 19 #2
Blue_Tires Jun 19 #3
Blue_Tires Jun 19 #4
SunSeeker Jun 19 #7
TnRob Jun 19 #8
IronLionZion Jun 19 #6
FakeNoose Jun 19 #9
BigmanPigman Jun 19 #11
FakeNoose Jun 19 #12
Vegas Roller Jun 19 #10
clementine613 Jun 19 #13

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

1. Good people on both sides

We can always trust Russians



It's good that an FSB colonel and GRU agents are being prosecuted but there are probably more people in their government who were involved, maybe Putin himself.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:09 AM

5. Hey now, our POTUS trusted them for secret meetings in the oval!

Still can't believe how wide a swath of people could ignore that!

Lump the Trump University scandal in, and stupidity is all I can figure.

They still think he wrote a book too I suppose and don't understand failing at casinos multiple times should be a red flag.


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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:19 AM

2. Greenwald, Snowden, Taibbi, Ames, were- you know the rest...

Seriously, fuck them and fuck every emoprog "transparency" journalist/pundit who regurgitated talking points direct from Moscow...






I'm not going to do it, but if you *really* want to kick over some rocks and know what's what, dive into the archives and see which DUers were spreading conspiracy bullshit about some Putin assassination plot, some phantom Su-25 Frogfoot, or this was a false flag orchestrated by ATC to frame poor innocent Russia, or that this was the wreckage of MH 330 planted by the American CIA...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

3. MORE:


























And no, just like everything else I'm not holding my breath waiting for someone to admit I was right all along...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:50 AM

4. So the only question I have left now is:

Did they *know* they were shooting down an airliner, or was it an issue of some untrained idiots playing "what does this button do?"

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:33 PM

7. Drunk Russians go "oops."

As I recall there was a audiotape where Russian soldiers were telling each other they had shot down a civilian plane.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 03:45 PM

8. TASS

Let's not forget the rebels said they brought down a plane at that same time and same place.

TASS - of all people - still have the story up.

So it seems like mistaken identity. I am not aware of any AN-26s being shot down at the same time and same place as MH17

"DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. The mlitia of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) have brought down a military transport Antonov-26 (An-26) plane of the Ukrainian Air Force on the outskirts of the town of Torez, eyewitnesses said.

A missile hit the An-26, it fell on the ground and caught blaze, they said.

On July 14, militiamen of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic downed another An-26 of the Ukrainian Air Force."

https://tass.com/world/741164

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:44 AM

6. Putin should resign and apologize to the families

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:29 PM

9. Putin should be one of guys on trial

Just sayin'

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 07:40 PM

11. I say skip the trial with him...

and go straight to a cell for life. He is a murderer. Period.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:19 PM

12. I just saw the NBC Nightly News, Richard Engel covered this story

He's saying that it's unlikely that Putin will ever allow these 4 guys to face a trial in the Netherlands. Most likely they'll never leave Russia. They could be convicted in absentia (maybe) but they wouldn't have to ever face justice.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 04:51 PM

10. Sad that so many dictators are harboring fugitives

In a perfect world, these four would be surrendered to the Dutch authorities and jailed.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:23 PM

13. Too bad Don the Con and the Rethugs aren't being charged....

I wouldn't be surprised to find their dirty hands in this somewhere....

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