HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » Trump throws support behi...

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:29 AM

Trump throws support behind 'no brainer' measure to ban burning of American flag

Source: The Hill



BY TAL AXELROD - 06/15/19 09:55 AM EDT

President Trump threw his support behind a new effort to ban burning the American flag on Saturday, challenging a decades-old Supreme Court ruling that established flag burning was a protected form of speech.

“All in for Senator Steve Daines as he proposes an Amendment for a strong BAN on burning our American Flag. A no brainer!” Trump tweeted Saturday morning.




Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) and Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) reintroduced companion legislation in the Senate and House on Friday, which was Flag Day, to restore “Congress’s constitutional authority to ban the desecration of the United States flag.”

Forty-eight states previously had laws against flag burning until the 1989 Texas v. Johnson Supreme Court decision ruled that the act was protected under the First Amendment’s freedom of speech clause.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/448715-trump-throws-support-behind-no-brainer-measure-to-ban-burning-of

64 replies, 2630 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 64 replies Author Time Post
Reply Trump throws support behind 'no brainer' measure to ban burning of American flag (Original post)
DonViejo Jun 15 OP
sinkingfeeling Jun 15 #1
Gothmog Jun 15 #2
ProudMNDemocrat Jun 15 #3
keroro gunsou Jun 16 #63
Siwsan Jun 15 #4
Roy Rolling Jun 16 #59
Zoonart Jun 15 #5
rownesheck Jun 15 #6
B Stieg Jun 15 #7
dvan Jun 15 #8
NewDayOranges Jun 15 #27
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 15 #56
dchill Jun 15 #42
Igel Jun 15 #50
underpants Jun 15 #9
lordsummerisle Jun 15 #47
not fooled Jun 15 #10
PSPS Jun 15 #11
Hortensis Jun 15 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 15 #13
sakabatou Jun 15 #14
truthisfreedom Jun 15 #19
JohnnyRingo Jun 15 #15
mtngirl47 Jun 15 #36
Marthe48 Jun 15 #16
lordsummerisle Jun 15 #48
Marthe48 Jun 16 #61
Auggie Jun 15 #17
truthisfreedom Jun 15 #18
jmowreader Jun 15 #20
SergeStorms Jun 15 #24
geralmar Jun 15 #32
jmowreader Jun 15 #53
SergeStorms Jun 15 #55
trev Jun 15 #54
Ramsey Barner Jun 15 #21
geralmar Jun 15 #35
SergeStorms Jun 15 #22
left-of-center2012 Jun 15 #23
Marie Marie Jun 15 #25
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 15 #26
no_hypocrisy Jun 15 #28
C_U_L8R Jun 15 #29
geralmar Jun 15 #30
jberryhill Jun 15 #31
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 15 #33
moonseller66 Jun 15 #34
Politicub Jun 15 #37
geralmar Jun 15 #38
keithbvadu2 Jun 15 #39
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 15 #40
Igel Jun 15 #51
Kali Jun 15 #41
dchill Jun 15 #43
moriah Jun 15 #44
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 15 #49
Stuart G Jun 15 #45
struggle4progress Jun 15 #46
YOHABLO Jun 15 #52
paleotn Jun 15 #57
marble falls Jun 16 #58
andym Jun 16 #60
X_Digger Jun 16 #62
Paladin Jun 16 #64

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:33 AM

1. Yep, let's take away more Constitutional rights of citizens and Congress. Then we

can celebrate our new dictatorship July 4th.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:33 AM

2. You got to be kidding

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:33 AM

3. Someone needs to tell Trump in a Tweet.......

"Then stop wiping your ass with it and it won't be burned."

I am waiting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:24 PM

63. your fish is my command

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:34 AM

4. Oh, that 'No Brainer' comment makes snarky commenting absolutely NO challenge.

So I'll just

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Siwsan (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:28 AM

59. He said it all

"No Brainer"

From the No Brains administration.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:37 AM

5. Looking for a "popular", "no brainer" way to pry open the constitution.

to date 28 states have signed on and are only six shy. Be sure to sip down to "Why this is a BAD idea."

https://www.commoncause.org/resource/u-s-constitution-threatened-as-article-v-convention-movement-nears-success/

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:45 AM

6. Bill Hicks had the best take in this.

Basically saying the supreme court didn't say you HAVE to burn your flag in that 1989 decision, but that perhaps someone shouldn't go to jail for a year if they did burn the flag.

"My daddy died fighting in Korea for that flag!"
"What a coincidence! Mine was made in Korea!"
"Your daddy didn't die for the flag. It's a piece of cloth.
He died for what the flag represents: freedom. Which
includes freedom to burn the fuckin flag."

His routine on flag burning should be used in court by any lawyer defending the right to desecrate the flag.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:52 AM

7. Um...The First Amendment?!

How anti-American...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:53 AM

8. According to the United States Flag code

The United States Flag Code (4 USC Sec 8 Para (k) Amended 7 July 1976) states: "The Flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem of display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dvan (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:40 PM

27. Exactly! Burning is the proper be way to dispose of

A desecrated, tattered or disrespected flag!

Flag burning and abortion are 2 of many bait issues for Americans!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewDayOranges (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:00 PM

56. It's what you're thinking about while you burn the Flag that matters.

If as you're burning the Flag you're thinking that this country has been chosen by God to bring Christ's message to Earth, then it's okay to burn the Flag.

However, if you are thinking that our nation was formed by imperfect men, and that by burning the Flag you are drawing attention to some of those imperfections (racism, for example) in an attempt to change them and improve our country, then you are obviously a heretic whose deeds must be punished.

It's all about what you're thinking.

Also, it's not a big step from making burning the Flag illegal to making taking a knee during the National Anthem punishable.

It's funny how many of those who support an amendment to ban Flag-burning have avoided any kind of service to their country. I listen to right-wing radio occasionally and wonder how many veterans there are in their ranks?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dvan (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:47 PM

42. I'd say that any flag made in China...

... is already not a fitting emblem, and therefore suitable for burning.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dvan (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:04 PM

50. Which is not what they're talking about. Of course. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:56 AM

9. If I may I'd like to comment on the writing of the article

It sounds like the ban is only for burning flags on Saturday OR that it's just this Saturday

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to underpants (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:19 PM

47. Relax, it's just this Saturday

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:57 AM

10. Wow, digging up "flag burning" yet again

that's straight outta the puke playbook 101. Just this generation's iteration.

puke strategists casting about for something, anything to make red don appear to be a patriotic 'Murican.


The last refuge of scoundrels, indeed.




Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:59 AM

11. Injecting more divisiveness into the country, as per the kremlin's wishes

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PSPS (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:22 AM

12. THIS, bringing flag burning back to life to inflame conservatives

with a big election coming up. This almost certainly means RW media will no longer refuse to cover flag burnings.* It also means that, with the satisfying incentives of attention and outrage restored, some of their idiot counterparts on the left will have reason to burn again.

* For those who don't remember, Fox and the rest stopped covering flag burnings and claiming that that free speech should be a felony at the time the Citizens United case was headed for the Supreme Court, seeking to establish that political donations were free speech protected by the First. So foreseeing the obvious of flag burnings while Citizens was in the news, McConnell and others just eliminated that blatant hypocrisy for opponents to argue. That's why, without Fox etc pushing outrage, the right had mostly forgotten all about it for the last decade.

I'm going to get out our flag and hang it up before traitors start displaying again and claiming ownership of patriotism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:28 AM

13. The Constitution is such a nuisance, isn't it?

Such a spoilsport. Never lets me do the things I want.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:33 AM

14. Isn't burning the way you retire "damaged" flags?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to sakabatou (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:58 AM

19. Yep. Them's the rules.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:36 AM

15. Has this been a problem?

Of course it hasn't, but an amendment will assure that it becomes a part of many protests in the future.

Can these congressmen find something more constructive to work on? Something like firearm background checks, food safety, or carbon pollution. Do your jobs instead of grandstanding for the neanderthal vote.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:51 PM

36. Exactly! They are part of the Senate Majority that is holding up over 100 bills from the House.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:52 AM

16. I won't burn a flag but won't fly it

as long that that traitorous p.o.s. is in the White House. I didn't fly it the whole time bush was in there, either. I wanted to fly it upside down but my husband discouraged it.

I also won't decorate outside for Christmas as long as we are a nation occupied by traitors collaborating with enemies.

If that p.o.s. had a thought in his head, if he had any goal or vision, even if it were evil, but he doesn't. I saw a picture of a moose that busted through a plate glass window of defunct pizza shop. The moose had no reason to break in. It didn't look good, it didn't smell good. but it broke in, causing damage for no reason. Then left. trump is like the moose, in a place he has no reason to be, causing damage for no reason, just mindless destruction. Beyond taking money and believing that people are for real kissing his fat ass, he has no concept of what he is doing or why he is doing it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Marthe48 (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:22 PM

48. I like that analogy n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:53 AM

17. More pandering

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:57 AM

18. Traitor tyrant. First amendment hater.

Ender of freedoms. Destroyer of truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:11 PM

20. Hmmm...so they want to outlaw "flag desecration"

Does this mean that “desecrating a flag by flying it from the back bumper of their pickup until it falls to shreds” will become a capital offense?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jmowreader (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:30 PM

24. Trump dry-humping it on stage is OK though.

If Trump humped my flag I'd bury it in a lead-lined coffin in a hole 20' deep, filled with concrete. There are just some things you don't do to the American flag!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SergeStorms (Reply #24)


Response to geralmar (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:29 PM

53. Don't remind us

We're at the point where our president will need to be accompanied by a professional heavyweight boxer. Mike Tyson would do fine. Every time Trump does something stupid, it will be the boxer's sacred and sworn duty to walk up and punch Trump's lights out.

The only question is, would Trump learn to stop doing stupid shit before he got his head caved in?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jmowreader (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:12 PM

55. Short answer....

no. He'd call his attorneys.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jmowreader (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:30 PM

54. When visiting my (now deceased) father a few years ago in California

we drove past a shop that was flying a faded, weathered, tattered flag from a pole in its yard. The red stripes were literally orange! My WWII vet father couldn't understand my reaction of disgust. I tried to get him to stop so I could explain to the shopowner how disrespectful he was being. He wouldn't.

I would never burn a flag in protest, but I won't dishonor it through neglect, either.

When I got out of the Army, they had just switched from the BDU garrison cap to the black beret. Naturally, the berets were made in China.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 12:21 PM

21. Here's my Faxzero free fax to Senators Daines and Womack:

Re: banning flag-burning.

Dear Senator ...

I'd be more impressed if you guys did one thing, anything, in your entire time in office to protect what the flag stands for, rather than to protect a cheap piece of fabric that was probably manufactured in a foreign country. Your party has lost its soul.

Regards,

....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #21)


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:25 PM

22. Trump has no qualms about shitting on the Constitution...

but don't you dare disrespect that cloth flag!

Truck Fump.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:25 PM

23. Trump and 'no brainer' go together

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:33 PM

25. Can we also ban the shameless and disrespectful hugging and humping

of same flag by Trump?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Marie Marie (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:37 PM

26. That's the worst sort of flag desecration -

humping it like a demented Shi-Tzu molesting your leg.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:53 PM

28. What's the MO? To make a new amendment that cancels the First Amendment?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:55 PM

29. I haven't seen a flag burned since the sixties

But recent flag humping is certainly desecration and just pathetic

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:03 PM

31. Here we go...


This is bait, folks. Don’t take it.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/18/Biden-proposes-flag-bill-amid-questions/4540616737600/

Biden proposes flag bill amid questions

Biden's bill would change the wording of previous anti-flag desecration laws in a way that he believes would pass constitutional muster, despite the court's ruling.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:15 PM

33. First the flag, then kneeling, reporting, social commentary & finally thought they wanna make crimes

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:23 PM

34. Flag code for...some

The FLade Code also states:

§174. Time and occasions for display

(a) Display on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open; night display

It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
(b) Manner of hoisting

The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
(c) Inclement weather

The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.


So the tattered and torn and hardly recognizable in 60 mph redneck MAGAt's speeding pick 'em up's are all taken down at night, not flown on their chick-mobiles or are at least illuminated at night parked in front of Bubba's Rib, Hoof and Hogfoot Emporiam while they spend their Kavanagh Night liking beer, beer, beer?

I see so many faux patriots displaying flags in their front yards 24/7, unlit at night, in the worst weather (too much trouble to take it down and put it back up) yet bitching about today's DFHs...

I'd advise them to read the code but most can't or think they don't need to.

And when you point it out to them they do one of two things: tell you to fuck off, they're patriots and want to kick your ass or ignore it.

America: love it or fuck it up for your own beliefs.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 02:54 PM

37. Trump desecrated a flag by autographing it, but I

wouldn’t make it illegal.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:14 PM

39. Flag Humper 45: "I dk what the 13 stripes represent."

Flag Humper 45: "I dk what the 13 stripes represent."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212190179


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:22 PM

40. "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that...."

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.

Happy 76th anniversary, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:07 PM

51. That's come under attack in all sorts of ways.

From wanting to ban "hate speech" to not wanting to let people practice values that were, until a couple of years ago, completely normal and even normative.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:26 PM

41. yep, that's you you flaming oreange asshole

a real NO BRAINer

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:49 PM

43. This is going to cause a rash of flag burning...

The likes of which we've never seen before!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

44. Will this include only flags, or flag-like print?

We gotta outlaw flag bikinis that involve apparently Old Glory getting sat upon or shoved up buttcrack if we're gonna truly outlaw desecration of the flag.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to moriah (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:31 PM

49. Like this?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:50 PM

45. Of course it was a "no brainer" ...It came from Donald, "no brain" Trump.!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 05:08 PM

46. "It'll be OK if Russians hack our elections because we want to jail flag burners!"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:24 PM

52. These people are too GD stupid to understand the 1st Amendment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

57. Ugh! The silliness of idols.

Refuge of the weak minded. America is an idea. A set of abstract concepts. Not a bunch of silly symbols. It's an idea America many times has failed to live up to, but the idea remains. A part of that idea of America is the concept of freedom of speech. Another more nefarious concept is to crudely score political points with bullshit legislation, meant only to stir up the less thoughtful among us. That's rethuglican's stock and trade.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:27 AM

58. As vet who gets goosebumps seeing the colors, thats a very bad idea.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:04 AM

60. Trump remembers Bush beating Dukakis by focusing on the flag burning amendment

Willie Horton, and the ACLU.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:02 PM

62. Congress passes an unconstitutional law, the courts strike it down.. again. Morons. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:06 PM

64. Queue up footage of the Elian Gonzalez riots from 2000.

Right-wingers in Miami couldn't stack up U.S. flags in big-enough piles, before setting them on fire. Never ever believe that the right values the national flag more than the left. Unlike trump, we lefties don't use the flag for toilet paper...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread