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Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:36 PM

The Latest: Death sentence for father who killed his 5 kids

Source: Associated Press


Updated 2:26 pm CDT, Thursday, June 13, 2019

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — The Latest on a death penalty trial for a South Carolina father (all times local):

3:10 p.m.

A jury says a South Carolina father should be executed for killing his five children.

The jury unanimously agreed on the death penalty Thursday for 37-year-old Timothy Jones Jr. in the slayings of his children, ages 1 to 8, in their Lexington home in August 2014.

Jones admitted he exercised 6-year-old Nahtahn until he collapsed and died, then several hours later decided to kill the other four children.

Jones confessed he strangled 8-year-old Merah and 7-year-old Elias with his hands and used a belt to choke 2-year-old Gabriel and 1-year-old Abigail because his hands were too big.

Jones drove around with the bodies for nine days before dumping them in five trash bags in Alabama.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-Jury-begins-deliberating-life-or-13987468.php#photo-17673214



Dad sentenced to death for murdering his five children Jacob GeanousThursday 13 Jun 2019 8:52 pm



Timothy Jones Jr was sentenced to death on Thursday for killing his five children (Picture: AP)


A jury sentenced Timothy Jones Jr, 37, to be executed after deliberating for less than two hours to determine whether he would die or live the rest of his life in jail.

Timothy Jones Jr, 37, strangled four of his children, Merah, 8, Elias, 7, Gabriel, 2, and Elaine, 1, and after forcing his 6-year-old son Nahtahn to exercise until he died as punishment for breaking an electrical outlet in August 2014 in Lexington, South Carolina.

Jones was found guilty of killing his children on June 4 after pleading guilty by means of insanity.

During the sentencing portion of his trial, the jury heard from defense lawyers and witnesses attempting to assert that Jones was just a victim of mental illness who snapped.

. . .

Witnesses gave harrowing testimony about his mother’s schizophrenia and three generations of rapes, molestation by relatives, violence, drugs, voodoo rituals, prostitution, and fights in Jones’ family.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/13/dad-murdered-five-kids-sentenced-death-9949705/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly?ito=cbshare


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Reply The Latest: Death sentence for father who killed his 5 kids (Original post)
Judi Lynn Jun 2019 OP
cstanleytech Jun 2019 #1
More_Cowbell Jun 2019 #7
cstanleytech Jun 2019 #10
More_Cowbell Jun 2019 #15
BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2019 #40
CatMor Jun 2019 #2
cabot Jun 2019 #25
Jake Stern Jun 2019 #30
Paladin Jun 2019 #3
USALiberal Jun 2019 #20
EX500rider Jun 2019 #45
in2herbs Jun 2019 #4
ADX Jun 2019 #5
maxsolomon Jun 2019 #12
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #33
maxsolomon Jun 2019 #35
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #37
MosheFeingold Jun 2019 #38
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #39
marble falls Jun 2019 #13
Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #16
demigoddess Jun 2019 #18
tenderfoot Jun 2019 #19
maxsolomon Jun 2019 #36
USALiberal Jun 2019 #21
ADX Jun 2019 #24
Jake Stern Jun 2019 #31
MosheFeingold Jun 2019 #41
Jake Stern Jun 2019 #42
demigoddess Jun 2019 #43
Jake Stern Jun 2019 #44
demigoddess Jun 2019 #46
oldsoftie Jun 2019 #6
Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #8
Bayard Jun 2019 #9
csziggy Jun 2019 #11
Aristus Jun 2019 #14
Lady_Chat Jun 2019 #17
Amerigael Jun 2019 #29
BlueWI Jun 2019 #28
Judi Lynn Jun 2019 #22
Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #23
Initech Jun 2019 #26
MFM008 Jun 2019 #27
PatrickforO Jun 2019 #32
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #34
Progressive Jones Jun 2019 #47

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:39 PM

1. So, the state accepted a guilty but insane plea and they are still going to execute him?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:03 PM

7. He pled not guilty by reason of insanity, but the jury didn't believe him

They had the choice of finding him guilty, not guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, or guilty but mentally ill.

This is a better story. He killed one child and then had hours before deciding to kill the rest.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article231114078.html

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:56 PM

10. Oh, ok thanks for clearing it up for me.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:29 PM

15. Yeah the original story wasn't clear, which is why I went looking! nt

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:56 PM

40. Seems a lot of journalists have an editing problem.

Leaving out the critical word, “Not” guilty. Sheesh!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:40 PM

2. I am against the death penalty .....

but in this case it doesn't bother me. He is one evil person.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:38 PM

25. I agree

Normally, I’m against the death penalty.....but in this case, I find that it does not bother me.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:49 AM

30. Then you're not really against the death penalty

If your opposition depends on the circumstance then you tacitly support it.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:42 PM

3. Good. The world will benefit from his absence. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:58 PM

20. So you love China and their DPs also! Great! nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:16 PM

45. If China is only killing mass murderers......but somehow I doubt that. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:49 PM

4. Give him a rattlesnake for a pet. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:50 PM

5. He should have been locked up for the rest of his life...

 

...Abolish the death penalty...

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Response to ADX (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:03 PM

12. This.

He's probably crying with joy that his life will end prematurely. Life with that guilt on his head is a harsher sentence.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:49 PM

33. Probably does not feel guilt. If you can strangle your one year old with a belt, you don't feel

guilt.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

35. Is that based on science, or just your opinion?

Why does he have tattoos of this children on his back now?

Why do so many kill themselves in prison if they're not experiencing guilt/remorse/regret?

Merle Haggard on the topic:

The jury found the verdict first degree
They swore i planned her death to be
I prayed they sentence me to die
But they wanted me to live and i know why

So i do life in prison for the wrongs i've done
And i pray every night for death to come
My life will be a burden every day
If i could die my pain might go away

Insane with rage i took my darling's life
Because i loved her more than life
My dreams for her will last a long long time
But i'd rather die than live to lose my mind

But i've got life in prison for the wrongs i've done
And i pray every night for death to come
My life will be a burden every day
If i could die my pain might go away
If i could die my pain might go away

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:38 PM

37. Student in criminology and forensic psychology. It takes some time to choke anyone to death,

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even with a ligature. I don’t want to be graphic as to what you’d have to be able to block out or enjoy to not stop from completing the act.
I am opining that he is a sociopath. Haggard’s song is about a more spontaneous crime of passion “Insane with rage” is the key as is “my darling.” As with most of the oldie, rather sexist, country Western songs, the woman has cheated, incurring his utter wrath.
It could be, however, that this murderer had a neuro-biological disorder, was hallucinating, paranoid. Although his insanity plea was rejected, legal insanity is not working with the same
criteria as psychiatry does.
Tattoos of his children, the most seemingly loving behavior towards one’s children and wife, do not preclude brutally murdering them because they stand in the way, in the murderer’s mind, of something the murderer desires. Such was the case with Chris Watts and Susan Smith. They had fallen “in love.” Up to that time they doted on their children.
If he was mentally ill, could be he will feel remorse.
Susan Smith, who meets the criteria for sociopath, did say she missed her children and hoped she and hubby could get together and have more. She liked being a mother.


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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:25 PM

38. You are correct

I was a cop many, many years ago (first an MP, then a NYC cop).

Dealt with a handful of strangulations and attempted strangulations/hangings.

It's extremely personal, takes a lot longer than you think to kill someone (or kill yourself -- retrieved a guy who had hung himself (not very well) and revived him -- had been hanging for a solid 1/2 hour, allegedly).

It's a sign of extreme hate and anger, usually.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:26 PM

39. Thank you for your service to the public. It is a service that saves lives (as you did) while

often, sometimes daily, risking one’s life and sanity.

Your point about the extreme hate and anger well applies to the case at hand I would think.

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Response to ADX (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:19 PM

13. Amen. Abolish the death penalty.

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Response to ADX (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:34 PM

16. Agreed...

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Response to ADX (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:02 PM

18. I don't like the death penalty but when you kill a child or several children, I'm

sorry but death is the thing I vote for. Even if you believe it lets him out of his misery. He might enjoy not dying and living a good life in prison. Now, if you were to give him a life in solitary confinement with only one meal a day, I might change my mind.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:51 PM

19. "He might enjoy not dying and living a good life in prison."

A good life in prison... it's a wonder more don't commit crimes.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:40 AM

36. More living the good life in Merica than any nation on earth.

"Land of the Free"

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:59 PM

21. No other country I respect has the DP. Disgusting. nt

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:15 PM

24. I abhor child murderers...

 

...but when it comes to the death penalty, you're either for or against it and I'm against it, period.

As for sentencing someone to "a life in solitary confinement with only one meal a day", the 8th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution expressly forbids "cruel and unusual punishment" so unless you're in favor of repealing that Amendment and/or an advocate for torture, you might want to rethink that statement...

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 01:55 AM

31. There is no gray area with capital punishment

Either you're for it or against it. You don't get to say "The death penalty is bullshit!" when it comes to controversial cases like Troy Davis's or Cameron Todd Willingham's then turn around and say "I support the death penalty because he killed kids".

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:59 PM

41. I probably agree with you

I'm more of a only-in-the-extremist-of-extreme situations death penalty camp. But I've vacillated between being a pure "never" before.

I see both sides. It irks me to pay for these guys' food, I hate them so bad.

It's a hard call, and I respect people on both sides of the issue.

Reminds me of what Alan Dershowitz said about Hitler -- he'd defend him and try to get him off, in defense of the rule of law.

And if he somehow got him off, he'd kill Hitler himself, with his own hands, and then go pay the piper.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 04:52 PM

42. Felt much the same until I saw all these people

Being exonerated with the help of the Innocence Project as well as following the saga of the West Memphis 3. That’s when made me a “pure” opponent of the death penalty.

The idea that somewhere in America is someone sitting on death row who is innocent being tortured by the thought that they will be murdered by the state for something they didn’t do is far more maddening to me than paying for some scumbag to get 3 hots and a cot for the next 50 years.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 02:05 PM

43. so how can they give Death for killing an armed cop but not for killing an

unarmed child??????? You get different penalties for killing on purpose and accidental death. Serial killers who may killer fellow inmates should not get the death penalty or special confinement??? Sometimes we have to protect the people of the country, especially children. Death penalty for someone who is likely to kill again is okay by me. But then I am a big reader of history so I am less hopeful.

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Response to demigoddess (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:03 PM

44. Should be no death penalty for anyone

Regardless of who the victim is.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 01:46 PM

46. You would prevent false convictions if you were to require a live eyewitness

or the killing on film. If we were totally sure that the person did it. Especially the killing of a child.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:59 PM

6. Yeah, cry, you bastard. the needle is too good for him.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:10 PM

8. Thoughts and prayers.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:29 PM

9. Now, wait a minute

How bad did the ex wife have to be for this maniac to have gotten custody of 5 young kids?

He strangled two babies with a belt, because his hands were too big for him to strangle them like he did the other two. I say, fry him. He wouldn't last long in prison anyway.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:01 PM

11. Apparently she thought they would be better off since he had more income

She may have felt guilt since she had an affair which caused the divorce, but this article is not clear on that.

<SNIP>
She testified she fell in love with Jones because he was smart, accomplished and appeared to have his life together. But she said after they married, he became rigid in his religion and demanding on her.

“Women are to be seen and not heard. I was merely to take care of the children. To keep them out of his way,” Kyzer said.

After they divorced, Kyzer allowed her husband custody of the children because he had a job that paid $80,000 as a computer engineer, and a car. She would get a ride to the Chick-After fil-A in Lexington to see them every Saturday under Jones’ watchful gaze.

<SNIP>

Jones’ lawyers said in their opening statement Jones’ mother has been in a mental institution for 20 years and he had undiagnosed schizophrenia. Then Jones’ thin grasp on reality broken by his ex-wife’s infidelity, the difficulty of raising five young children on his own and a feeling he was failing to live up to his religious beliefs.
More: https://apnews.com/0022600b91cd47edb74f1ac5df54c199

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:22 PM

14. It's too bad they're putting him to death.

He should live the rest of his natural life with the guilt, the shame, and the horror.

One reason I oppose the death penalty is that it's an easy out for the convict. I wouldn't want to stay locked up for however many decades I have left.

I can't help thinking about those poor innocent children...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:31 PM

17. I doubt he has any guilt, shame or remorse

Time for that, would have been after he killed the first child. Several hours later he did it again and again, in the most cruel and horrific manner. Then dumped them like they were garbage. He's had no problem living with what he did for the past 5 years. How can anyone still want to live knowing the terror he put his own children through? This guy can....he had his lawyers begging for mercy, to save his own miserable life. What a selfish, vicious , inhuman piece of excrement he is. He showed no mercy and glad he received none.

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Response to Lady_Chat (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 09:36 PM

29. My sentiments exactly

No one should ever receive the death penalty under purely circumstantial evidence, especially when they vehemently proclaim their innocence. But there's no chance this guy is innocent, and there doesn't appear to be any point to rehabilitation since he would never leave prison even if he weren't sentenced to death. Absent any other redeeming advent, I think he's gotta go.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 05:07 PM

28. I have a lot of empathy for many people and conditions

but in this case, I am reserving my empathy for other situations. There is so much heartbreak here that no course of action is restorative in the short term. There will be other cases where the death penalty is a clear miscarriage of justice. In this case, I don't think it diminishes the state to choose execution. I don't know if there is a path to greater justice for this tragedy, no matter what we collectively choose.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:52 PM

22. There are aspects of this South Carolina story I can't get out of my mind.

From the Metro in the U.K.:



Timothy Jones Sr said he feared his son was losing his mind. Jones Sr got tattoos of his five dead grandchildren, which he was asked to show the court (Picture: ABC)

~ ~ ~



According to investigators, Jones stated that he believed the children were
going to kill him, chop him up and feed him to the dogs.’ Pictured is his
son Elias (Picture: KTLA)



Jones strangled Gabriel with a belt because his
hands were too big to choke him properly
(Picture: KTLA)



Elaine was Jones’ youngest
child. (Picture: KTLA)

. . .

The drastic decline of Timothy Jones Jr – who transformed from religious father with a good job to a physically abusive cultist – was exactly what his father feared.

‘This is the Tim I was scared I would see one day. I mean, he’s got some relatives, his mother, unfortunately they’re not right, you know…It’s just bad DNA I guess. He’s sick, man, that’s all there is to it,’ Tim Jones Sr said.

Tim Jones Sr later told the court that he thought his son was losing his mind. He summed up his son’s relationships, religious choices, and the way he disciplined his children as ‘a train wreck.’

After the murders, authorities found handwritten notes in Jones car that seemed to detail ways to dispose of the evidence that read ‘melt bodies!’ and ‘saw bones to dust or small pieces.’

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/13/dad-murdered-five-kids-sentenced-death-9949705/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly?ito=cbshare?ito=cbshare

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 08:31 AM

23. Jesus Christ...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:51 PM

26. Religion can seriously fuck people up.

And I'm sure that stories like this are a dime a dozen. It's really sad to see someone decline from an upstanding citizen to a dangerous religious cultist. And it's scary to see that cult is destroying everything that it touches, including the White House. I feel like things are going to get worse before they get better.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 01:08 PM

27. Somehow

This reminds me of the Liszt murders.
He killed 5 members of his family.
Mother. Wife. 3 kids.
Religious nut.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 03:43 AM

32. I'm for the death penalty. I know we're not supposed to be, but I just

can't bring myself to be against it. If someone does something like this, they need to go.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Jun 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

34. DP too good for him. Yes, I want him to suffer. Well, I would want what could ease in any way the

pain survivors must bear. Maybe for them, his being off the planet would be easiest.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:11 PM

47. South Carolina... NT


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