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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:09 AM Apr 2019

White House whistleblower says 25 security clearance denials were reversed during Trump admin...

Source: The Washington Post


White House whistleblower says 25 security clearance denials were reversed during Trump administration

By Rachael Bade April 1 at 10:00 AM

A White House whistleblower told lawmakers that more than two-dozen denials for security clearances have been overturned during the Trump administration, calling Congress her “last hope” for addressing what she considers improper conduct that has left the nation’s secrets exposed.

Tricia Newbold, a longtime White House security adviser, told the House Oversight and Reform Committee that she and her colleagues issued “dozens” of denials for security clearance applications that were later approved despite their concerns about blackmail, foreign influence, or other red flags, according to panel documents released Monday.

Newbold, an 18-year veteran of the security clearance process who has served under both Republican and Democratic presidents, said she warned her superiors that clearances “were not always adjudicated in the best interest of national security” — and was retaliated against for doing so.

“I would not be doing a service to myself, my country, or my children if I sat back knowing that the issues that we have could impact national security,” Newbold told the committee, according to a panel document summarizing her allegations.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-whistleblower-says-security-clearance-denials-were-reversed-during-trump-administration/2019/04/01/9f28334e-542c-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html

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White House whistleblower says 25 security clearance denials were reversed during Trump admin... (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2019 OP
Then what's the point of the vetting? Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #1
If there have been overrides for any president before Trump NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #7
Good question. ck4829 Apr 2019 #43
Yes Yes Yes watoos Apr 2019 #2
Massive Russian spy ring operating in the White House. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #4
Right now at 1:28 ET 4/1/19...This is the top story at CNN Stuart G Apr 2019 #16
He and Kremlin Barbie are most certainly on the list. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #55
25?!!! N/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #3
ZACLY!!! elleng Apr 2019 #12
tRump doesn't fucking care or he is actively an agent for foreign powers. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #17
Every time he pulls this shit I just think WWOD? TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #20
And Dijon mustard, Swiss cheese on a Philly cheesesteak, and arugula. nt tblue37 Apr 2019 #28
Well... druidity33 Apr 2019 #32
It must be one of those things that some people taste TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #34
I am with you. I made the mistake of planting a mix a few years ago and got arugula YUCK! redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #35
It's insane ck4829 Apr 2019 #49
This should be THE only story ScratchCat Apr 2019 #5
In a normal universe it would be. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #36
Yep ck4829 Apr 2019 #44
Does she reveal anywhere who the 25 were? That would be the real story. rainin Apr 2019 #6
from the cnn link orleans Apr 2019 #21
Gorka, maybe. nt tblue37 Apr 2019 #30
Yeah, there's no way that quack wasn't one of them ck4829 Apr 2019 #45
Sigh. One more thing that would trigger instant impeachment for any other president. Kablooie Apr 2019 #8
Bush and cheny and scooter Maxheader Apr 2019 #9
Just a matter of time duforsure Apr 2019 #10
It sould be nice if everyone in media asked every Republican are they for national security or not pdsimdars Apr 2019 #11
could it be.... RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2019 #14
It's now about collusion/conspiracy. . . it's about security clearance, they weren't qualified pdsimdars Apr 2019 #19
Indeed ck4829 Apr 2019 #48
From a legal standpoint I'm not sure whistleblowing applies here. MadDAsHell Apr 2019 #13
It's whistleblowing since the white house has been trying to cover it up htuttle Apr 2019 #37
*We* have the say, Trump isn't some king or man-god ck4829 Apr 2019 #46
This is major news...25..?? White House Security?? Thank You for posting.. Stuart G Apr 2019 #15
I bet John Bolton, Nat'l Sec Director,(!) is one of them stuffmatters Apr 2019 #23
She has been retaliated against for being patriotic and blowing the whistle. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #18
Yes, suspended 2 weeks without pay DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #22
In some ways, this suspension is terrrible. But this will make it worse for the a***oles in the Stuart G Apr 2019 #25
Whistle blowers are not treated kindly and that's an embarrassment. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #29
"Retaliation" is a legal term that doesn't apply here. MadDAsHell Apr 2019 #38
Thanks for the insight on a key point. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #40
This is today's most imp't story of the day. Explains how we got Kusher selling Saudis nukes stuffmatters Apr 2019 #24
Wonder if Russian agents have security clearances? democratisphere Apr 2019 #26
Here it is......CNN: "Trump pressured staff to give clearance to his daughter... Stuart G Apr 2019 #27
25 impeachable offenses. orangecrush Apr 2019 #31
This administration has committed numerous impeachable offenses. This is not one of them. MadDAsHell Apr 2019 #39
There has to be more oversight on the president, and I don't mean the orange buffoon only Perseus Apr 2019 #33
Good points. Republicons love monarchies. tRump obligingly loves playing a monarch. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #41
They should be in jail kwijybo Apr 2019 #42
They really should ck4829 Apr 2019 #47
K&R ck4829 Apr 2019 #50
Goodbye, allies. moondust Apr 2019 #51
She drew the line at Sergei Lavrov. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #52
Don't you feel safer knowing that people who were denied clearance have access IronLionZion Apr 2019 #53
You mean establishing back channel communications with gldstwmn Apr 2019 #54

Firestorm49

(4,030 posts)
1. Then what's the point of the vetting?
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

You either trust in your procedures and abide by the conclusion, or you screw the process over in a selfish, ignorant fascist manner.

Just out of curiosity, have any democratic presidents ever overridden the security clearance vetting?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. If there have been overrides for any president before Trump
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:31 AM
Apr 2019

I'm pretty sure they would have been rare and an exception made for a good, documented reason - not more than 2 dozen done at the whim of Donny Dollhands

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. Yes Yes Yes
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:27 AM
Apr 2019

a newsworthy story to prove me wrong that cnn and msnbc are only slightly better than Fox.

I'm going to sit back and wait for cnn and msnbc to move this issue to the top of the heap.

Meanwhile, one of the people who was given his clearance by daddy-in-law, in return for getting bailed out for his devil tower, is going to give SA nukes in return. This issue is related to Kushner being given security clearance and not earning it right?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. Massive Russian spy ring operating in the White House.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:36 AM
Apr 2019

This is insane. Cuff them all and cart them off to Gitmo.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
20. Every time he pulls this shit I just think WWOD?
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:16 PM
Apr 2019

What Would Obama Do? Can you imagine if he had? Instead they make a major case about a bike helmet, a tan suit and Michelle's bare arms!

druidity33

(6,445 posts)
32. Well...
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 04:33 PM
Apr 2019

I have to agree to the arugula part. That shit is disgusting. It shows how strongly i feel about that given i chose my 5000th post to say it. I never plant Mesclun mix or "salad greens" mix anymore... damn arugula is a force. Even 5% in the mix TAINTS EVERYTHING!

just sayin'



TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
34. It must be one of those things that some people taste
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 04:59 PM
Apr 2019

and others don't. I hate cilantro but have no problem with arugula.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
6. Does she reveal anywhere who the 25 were? That would be the real story.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:06 AM
Apr 2019

People snooze when they hear a number...as shocking as it is. Name them!

orleans

(34,043 posts)
21. from the cnn link
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:25 PM
Apr 2019

"The memo does not specify the names of the individuals whose security clearances were initially denied -- only to be overruled by the White House. But it does provide some detail about situations involving two senior White House officials and another who used to work for the National Security Council."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/security-clearances-house-oversight-committee-tricia-newbold/index.html

Kablooie

(18,623 posts)
8. Sigh. One more thing that would trigger instant impeachment for any other president.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:43 AM
Apr 2019

For this president it will be "yawn, what else is new?"

Maxheader

(4,371 posts)
9. Bush and cheny and scooter
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:49 AM
Apr 2019

and winger admins in general don't give a shit about those undercover...those that might get outed from irresponsible use of high security clearances.

If ever there was a real "national emergency"..

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
10. Just a matter of time
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:51 AM
Apr 2019

Before its exposed trump approved them all to lie and leave out all russian contacts off their security clearance forms. They all didn't do it with out his ok first.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
19. It's now about collusion/conspiracy. . . it's about security clearance, they weren't qualified
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:08 PM
Apr 2019

and he gave them clearance anyway. The REASON they were unqualified was because of something in their past. If their past makes them a security risk, they should not ignore the professionals and do it anyway. SO, are those GOPers SERIOUS about national security or not?
It's not a matter of "well, they are a risk, but I LIKE THEM ANYWAY." that is not security.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
13. From a legal standpoint I'm not sure whistleblowing applies here.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:58 PM
Apr 2019

The pResident has the final say on it, unfortunately, even if we don't like his decisions. The PR side is different of course, but it seem "whistleblower" is being used incorrectly here.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
37. It's whistleblowing since the white house has been trying to cover it up
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 05:58 PM
Apr 2019

I remember a Congressional committee requesting information on this topic from the Trump administration, and getting denied recently.

on edit:
Here's the reference from early in March:

On Tuesday, the White House rebuffed a request from House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, who asked for documents pertaining to the security clearance process. White House counsel Pat Cipollone said the committee's request for the information was "without legal support, clearly premature, and suggests a breach of the constitutionally required accommodation process."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/ivanka-trump-security-clearance-pressure/index.html

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
15. This is major news...25..?? White House Security?? Thank You for posting..
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:25 PM
Apr 2019

I wonder who those 25 were that could not pass "security tests"?

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
23. I bet John Bolton, Nat'l Sec Director,(!) is one of them
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 03:24 PM
Apr 2019

Always mystified me how he got clearance with his near paranoid, wingnut,int'l grifter past.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
25. In some ways, this suspension is terrrible. But this will make it worse for the a***oles in the
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 03:29 PM
Apr 2019

White House. Stupid is, what stupid is.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
38. "Retaliation" is a legal term that doesn't apply here.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:49 PM
Apr 2019

Whistleblower protection against retaliation is when you report illegal behavior. In this case, the behavior she's reporting (poor security decision clearance decisions) is highly undesirable but unfortunately perfectly within the scope of the pResident's authority. It's the equivalent of an insider reporting that Drumpf spends too much time on Twitter. Concerning to be sure, but legallly irrelevant.

I can see why she and her lawyers will want to try to make a whistleblower/retaliation argument but it's a very thin thread legally.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
24. This is today's most imp't story of the day. Explains how we got Kusher selling Saudis nukes
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 03:28 PM
Apr 2019

among many other nightmare consequences to our national security.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
39. This administration has committed numerous impeachable offenses. This is not one of them.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:51 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:31 AM - Edit history (2)

It's bad PR for sure, but can't really to anywhere legally since making shitty clearance decisions is within the pResident's authority.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
33. There has to be more oversight on the president, and I don't mean the orange buffoon only
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 04:48 PM
Apr 2019

I think that what I have learned from a corrupt president is that the position carries too much power, and that should not be. I am not sure what needs to be done, but something needs to be done.

The rules must assume that a very corrupt person may take on the presidency because so much power is dangerous to the republic.

If power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, what does that leave when they person taking over the position is already absolutely corrupt? which is the case with the orange buffoon, a person who came to power with a proven record of corruption.

The AG must also have set rules that prevent situations like the one with the Muller report. I know he has and he is breaking some of them, but the consequences need to be tougher to prevent a corrupt AG to bend them.

It is a terrible situation because it can become a vicious cycle where the watcher watches the other watcher, and so on in a circle, until the last watcher watches the first watcher.

And last but not least, the "policy" about not indicting a sitting president must be removed. It was an opinion and nothing else, the media and some politicians have made it into a "policy" which is not, it was just an opinion and nothing else, but the opinion must be scratched as it does not serve as policy or rule. Imagine if Barr came up with his opinions to try to convert them into policy.

kwijybo

(225 posts)
42. They should be in jail
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:19 AM
Apr 2019

I've had a clearance (not at that level, even). They either lied on the SF86 (but Jared revised his like 3 times and still wasn't granted one), had blackmail issues that wouldn't clear up (financial issues, drug problems, pee tape issues, etc), or close ties with foreign intelligence services. I've heard the CIA is the holdup, which scares me.

At best, I'd have been denied a clearance for those problems. Jailed for lying on the SF86.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
51. Goodbye, allies.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:37 AM
Apr 2019

This kind of irresponsible behavior may cause some allies to limit their intelligence sharing if they no longer feel confident it will remain secure. That just helps the world's bad guys and autocrats, but maybe that was the plan all along.

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
53. Don't you feel safer knowing that people who were denied clearance have access
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

to America's national security secrets and intelligence?

At least these are nice white Americans, amirite?

The disappointing truth is that far too many Americans support denying people security clearances based solely on the brown-ness of their skin and not on their ability to pass extensive background checks, interviews, references, etc. I've dealt with this my whole career. Clearance jobs just aren't very diverse.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
54. You mean establishing back channel communications with
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 02:49 PM
Apr 2019

a foreign sovereignty on WhatsApp is a bad idea?

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