Elizabeth Warren Heckled at Campaign Stop About Her Native American Claims: 'Why Did You Lie?"
Source: Mediaite
by Julio Rosas | Feb 16th, 2019, 9:53 pm
During a campaign stop in Georgia on Saturday, Senator and 2020 presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) was heckled at the beginning of her speech.
Before Warren started telling her back story to her supporters, a man started to shout Why did you lie at her. Be easy, be easy, Warren said to the man as the crowd booed and chanted Warren!
Link to tweet
Eventually, the man was escorted out. It can be seen he was carrying a parody Warren campaign sign that read 1/2020, referencing her exaggerated Native American ancestry claims she made for years.
Following a DNA test she went through, it was found Warren could be anywhere between 1/64th and 1/1,204th Native American.
Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/elizabeth-warren-heckled-at-campaign-stop-about-her-native-american-claims-why-did-you-lie/
video at link, above
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)Hecklers in the crowd can be a real pain.
I think we should be prepared for lots of them to come.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Yeehah
(4,568 posts)They are true believers in the Great Leader Trump!
oldsoftie
(12,492 posts)Its become the "cool" thing because you'll get a video clip
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)with a guy in a chicken suit following him around after Bush kept refusing to debate. Chicken George:
Warren can handle it. We should do it to Trump, though. He has the thinnest skin of anyone.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Those supporters are nuts!
rampartc
(5,387 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....that his grandfather was DEPORTED from his native Bavaria for being a draft dodger! If they can do it, we can do it.
magicarpet
(14,122 posts).... Sweden for decades to soften their inherent Racist Fascist inclinations and KKK past.
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Donald Trump's father 'repeatedly tried to hide his family's German heritage'
The President's father, Fred Trump, said the family was from Sweden
Shehab Khan @ShehabKhan
Thursday 30 November 2017 00:29
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Donald Trumps family has repeatedly attempted to hide their German heritage, it has been reported.
The Presidents father, Fred Trump, passed himself off as Swedish, amid anti-German sentiment after World War II, according to Gwenda Blairs book, The Trumps: Three Generations that Built an Empire.
The book claims that Donalds grandfather immigrated to the US from the German city of Kallstadt in 1885.
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It also suggests that that Fred denied speaking German and opted not to teach it to his children.
John Walter, a Trump family historian and one of Donald Trumps cousins, said it was an attempt not to offend Jewish customers.
He said, You dont sell apartments after the war if youre German, Mr Walter told the Boston Globe. So hes Swedish, no problem.
In his book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump reaffirmed the claim that his grandfather came to America from Sweden as a child but in a video message at the annual German-American Steuben Parade in New York City the President accepted he has a German heritage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-fred-german-heritage-swedish-gwenda-blair-a8083366.html
George II
(67,782 posts)When Donald Trump's German grandfather was ordered by a royal decree to leave the country and never return, he wrote a letter pleading the prince regent of Bavaria not to deport him.
Friedrich Trump wrote the letter in 1905 when he returned to Germany with his wife and daughter after having emigrated to the US.
German authorities had given him eight weeks to leave and denied him repatriation because he failed to complete his mandatory military service and to register his initial emigration to the US 20 years earlier.
In the letter, Mr Trump described the moment he received the news from the High Royal State Ministry he had to leave as "a lightning strike from fair skies".
"We were paralysed with fright, our happy family life was tarnished. My wife has been overcome by anxiety, and my lovely child has become sick," he wrote.
"Why should we be deported?" he asked, "This is very, very hard for a family. What will our fellow citizens think if honest subjects are faced with such a decree."
The letter, translated from German into English and published in Harper's Magazine, shows how desperate Mr Trump was to remain with his family in Bavaria.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-grandfather-germany-letter-deportation-us-bavaria-dreamers-a7903071.html
magicarpet
(14,122 posts).... and became well to do opening bodegos and whore houses in the Pacific Northwest spreading syphilis and gonorrhea with impunity. But it fattened his wallet so why should he care ?
He then eventually took his wealth,... went to New York to park his ill be gotten wealth in real estate income properties and the trDump family were well on there way to becoming New York real estate tycoons, racists, and Mafia money launderers.
Igel
(35,275 posts)German used to be a commonly taught language in schools. There were German-language newspapers. In many areas, German was like Spanish is.
Then WWI.
Because of ethnic discrimination and bias resulting from WWI, German stopped being such a widespread language. So much so that by the start of WWII the DOD had to open language-training schools for translators to learn German. It wasn't that the children of the German immigrants from the late 1800s weren't trustworthy, it's that they didn't know German.
One consequence was what are now called FLAS fellowships or grants, to make sure that strategic languages are studied at a sufficiently high level. (Full disclosure: part of my grad students was FLAS-funded.)
FLAS isn't nimble enough to start producing expertise in languages that we started to need as of last summer or even the summer before last, but it helps.
I have students who are between a rock and a hard place. One is a Russian Jew who transited through Israel. He doesn't want to claim being Jewish or Israeli because hatred. And now he has a hard time claiming "Russian" because, well, Russians are evil (unless they say bad things about what Trump did, then they must be 100% true-blue honest.) I know a couple of kids who are Russian-Ukrainian, and only claim Ukrainian when speaking English, and only Russian (and emphatically not Ukrainian) when speaking po-ruski.
magicarpet
(14,122 posts)... it is helpful in seeing the larger picture as related to current events.
Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)I'd have done the same.
Trump has done plenty we can "attack" him for we don't need to bring up irrelevant stuff about his grandpa.
keithbvadu2
(36,669 posts)Trump Mocks Warrens Native American Heritage Claim, But Falsely Claimed His Family Was Swedish
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-mocks-warrens-native-american-heritage-claim-but-false?utm_term=.hrN5grRZ6#.nn8b1XG0m
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/26/nyregion/fred-c-trump-postwar-master-builder-of-housing-for-middle-class-dies-at-93.html
Donald needs to start using his REAL last name, Drumpf.
George II
(67,782 posts)...by the Bavarian government for being a criminal - violating the universal military service laws of Bavaria.
The trumps have a long history of criminal activity and dodging the draft.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)about her family's ancestry, while Trump just lies about pretty much everything.
This whole thing should have never been an issue. If it hadn't been the Native American story, it would have been something else. Democrats need to be prepared and not let their buttons be pushed. We've been down this road before and it is unlikely that republicans have changed their tactics, but we can change our reactions.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You gotta admit that's pretty weird. My mother told me once that she thought my father's side of the family has Native American....because my grandma had high cheekbones. LOL! We are not N.A. Our family history has been done. There is no Native American in our ancestry. To put down on a form that my race/ethnicity is Native American, based on a belief would be ludicrous.
The story has legs because (1) she was not famous and defined nationally beforehand, so it was easy for Trump to label her; and (2) what she did really was a little bizarre and not what most people do. It doesn't make her a terrible person. But this will continue to dog her. She has been defined, now, negatively. Something to try to overcome.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)and I suppose almost anyone could have a slightly bizarre aspect to their personality. I think her family truly believed the stories they were told and probably took some pride in having Native American heritage. I've known plenty of people who felt the same way, but until DNA testing, it was usually based on stories passed down through the generations.
But for Trump to label anyone is laughable, as his whole life as been filled with bizarre stories and verifiable scandals.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What matters is that she has been labeled.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)on the attacks from republicans. Democrats have a tendency to become very defensive, which often is construed as weakness. Most of the time, we have all the advantages, but we don't always use them. We are too busy counteracting GOP attacks, which are usually superficial if not totally false.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)catrose
(5,060 posts)I lived there for 20 years, and Oklahoma natives were always anxious tell you about their Native heritage. There were a lot of Cherokee princess great-grandmother fantasies, but also a lot of family stories like Warren's, where people currently living remembered the Native relatives (and in Warren's case, the prejudice they suffered).
The part I didn't understand was the pride people had for their heritage, but they didn't learn the language or culture or attend powpows and so on. And everybody knew the difference between being a member of a tribe...on the [Dawes] rolls...and having a Native ancestor.
So Warren's conduct seems perfectly normal to me, an attempt to honor her family (like all the other Oklahomans) and, as usual, the right turns that into something evil.
I'm practicing my sneer to counteract those that dare to say so in my presence.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You have to have some reasonable knowledge of your heritage, in order to claim it. Most people don't mark down a protected class of race or ethnicity because of a story about one ancestor long ago who was that kind of class. Regardless, this will dog her. She won't be able to shake it, IMO, precisely because it is pretty weird to the average American.
JGug1
(320 posts)Democrats need to be able to respond in ways that are light but deadly. Beto O'Rourke was able to do that and so I want a lot to see him in the race. Elizabeth Warren has been incapable of responding to the attacks on her. Hillary Clinton was similarly unable. To be able to shut down something like "Pocahontas" is an art. I sure don't have it. Our side needs to find *that* candidate who has it. That person will win against any Republican in a land slide.
Bill Clinton knew how to do it and he's tried to explain it to other candidates, but apparently not everyone gets it, not even own wife. Apparently it comes naturally and easily to some people. Responding to a faux smear needs to be quick and decisive, but to repeat it and keep apologizing, is doing republicans' work for them.
It also doesn't help that the MSM takes superficial smears and repeats them over and over again, creating the illusion of a very real scandal.
catrose
(5,060 posts)if only to be so confident that people are going to accept what you say.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)but there are women who can shut down BS really fast and white men who apologize themselves into a bigger hole. Poor John Kerry's handling of the swiftboating was really done poorly, though I don't think anything prepared him for such outrageous accusations.
Also, if an accusation is ridiculous, Democrats shouldn't over explain their response. Keep it short and dismissive and move on. Too much explaining sounds political, inauthentic, and terribly guilty. Besides, after a sentence or two, most people aren't listening anymore.
There are ways to deny something and the shorter the better. "No, of course not," works well for me.
diva77
(7,629 posts)Warren use similar tactics.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But one thing you need, when you counter the attempt of defining you negatively, is a lot of supporters in your corner to repeat it. Warren doesn't have it...not as many as she needs. Too many contenders at this stage, she's not known well nationally yet.
The others need to identify their weaknesses and work on a counter for the nickname for it now and not wait.
diva77
(7,629 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I don't love her, so I see it through a lens of impartiality.
It's too late for her to be defined in another way, IMO. This is how she has been introduced to the country (most Americans had no idea who she was, and many still don't). Now they will know her as that lady who lied about her ancestry (they won't read up on the details...you know how people are).
diva77
(7,629 posts)apologized and now she can talk about the important issues. If she keeps emphasizing the issues and deflecting further attacks, she will be able to carry on successfully with her campaign. Her ideas need to become part of the Dem agenda -- whether or not she ends up moving past the primaries.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's the kiss of death to a candidate who is little known. You never let the opponent define you. "Low energy Bush" took hold (and he was well known). Crazy Ted. Something about Rubio.
She wasn't able to nip it in the bud, when Trump started it...was it two years ago? So she won't be able to nip it in the bud, now. I was surprised she decided to run, because of this issue.
The voters decide for themselves how candidates are defined. This Pocohantas thing has taken hold. The time to stop it is when it first starts. One way to stop it is to point out the truth, but in this case, the truth is nuanced regarding her identifying herself as a minority on form(s).
Obama was able to overcome the birther issue during his campaign. But that started after he was defined by the public, and Obama was...well, he was Obama. Charismatic, good sense of humor, brilliant, quick witted. Warren doesn't have those things going for her. She's earnest, high energy, free thinker, bold. But....
Just my opinion. We'll see.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"The voters decide for themselves how candidates are defined..."
You are not that naive. Candidates are defined by media sampling, polling and 30-second tv spots.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)How can they counter a nickname which has yet to be created by trump?
Guesswork? Throwing darts?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But I would think that it helps if the negative nickname doesn't have teeth (that is, there's no basis in fact), and if the candidate is already defined nationally.
I bet if you ask people who have heard of her so far, most would say she's the one who said she was Native American, when she isn't, or that "Isn't she the one Trump calls Pocahontas?" Once that is in the minds of voters, it won't go away. Doesn't mean it wuld make someone not vote for her, necessarily.
It would be harder for Trump to define Biden or someone else who is already nationally known. Trump would give him a nickname, but it's not as likely to stick, because Biden is already so well known. And Biden is experienced at handling criticism from opponents.
But we'll see. You never know for sure.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)PatSeg
(47,282 posts)and call some Nazis good people, yet Elizabeth Warren believing she was part Native American is a scandal to be covered ad nauseam? We've been down this path before and you would think that the MSM and Democrats would have learned something by now.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)diva77
(7,629 posts)GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)A heartfelt apology goes a long way in taking this nonsensical wind out of the sails of the goofball right wing. Not that it would shut up the Trumpster zealots. But it would get everyone else to move on.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)to what extent, I'm unsure, but there is truth to her claim.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)It was a very small percentage, not enough to claim one is Native American apparently. However, Warren never knowingly lied. She believed the family story, as did her siblings.
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)Would have been a good response from the crowd.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)She won't be able to shake this, IMO. She must have known that. Even some Democrats have a problem with her making the claim in the past, and her DNA test thing.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)She's going to have to deal with this thing over and over and over again. You notice that the story was not about what she had to say, it was about what this protester had to say.
That will draw them to her rallies like moths to a light bulb.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)You can hear him on tape at his rallies, so she did.. Seems to me she was "damned if she did and damned if she didn't".
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)it wouldn't have hurt her that much. But when you're new on the scene, it's easier to get branded.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)She just got a standing ovation at a Native American Conference.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11812446
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's not like she's well known and already defined in the minds of Americans. It's possible she can overcome it.
If you're pointing to a poll in that link, it's way too early for polls to be meaningful. Esp those taken at a time when the other candidates hadn't entered the race.
She will do well at debates. But I don't see her having much of a chance. Even without this going against her, she was a longshot.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)From a high profile state for quite awhile - In addition to beating Republican incumbent, Scott Brown, she wrote a well-received book about her time as an Obama consultant during the Banking Crisis, and founded the Consumer Protection Bureau. She's extremely popular with the progressive wing of the party, and was
practically drafted for a run in the last presidential election -- She is hardly a "longshot".
Calista241
(5,586 posts)People that might not know her that well. Trump has successfully labeled her at this point IMO.
While I like her and her policies, I don't think she's a compelling, nationwide candidate.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)and, with the possible exception of NC. I see no particular problem for her in those states.
As to Trump, anyone still listening to him won't vote Democratic anyway.
That's my take. We may just have to agree to disagree.
diva77
(7,629 posts)The swiftboating can be overcome; it's not a "done" deal.
Raine
(30,540 posts)it's going to continually follow her probably as long as she's in politics.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Gore1FL
(21,104 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)honest.abe
(8,616 posts)If not, she should discuss it and put it behind her.
JGug1
(320 posts)I find it fascinating that this blip on her record is now her Achilles heal. It also fascinates me that it disturbs me that she so poorly handled it. I thought that the very first thing she should have done when the cretin in the White House first went after her was to get a DNA test done. But, then, upon finding that she had little claim to her assertion that she was Native American, she could have simply said, that it was family lore and I was repeating family lore but I recognize that it could be insulting to true Native Americans and I apologize. End of deal (probably). Using that to describe herself on her application to the Texas Bar may have killed her chances of getting the nomination. She wasn't my first choice before that and she moved down after my seeing it. I assume it is real. How many other similar/same examples of witlessness are there out there? What other law bars has she applied to and did she use the same stupid description? What a shame. She really is a politician who would represent the people.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)...was a draft dodging pimp. His father was an avid racist, a slum lord and a thief. They produced an intellectually deficient sociopath. His spawn are even dumber and less moral, if that's even possible. All in the family.
oldsoftie
(12,492 posts)Yosemito
(648 posts)Why doesnt he heckle Trump ?
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)Its like not only does the truth not matter to deplorables, they have their own "alternate" facts thank you very much, but they can also live in these bubble fantasy worlds, where whatever rumour, fake news, they hear about any Democrat, it is gospel. It goes back to the Clintons and the Whitewater insinuations and didn't ever stop. Where just shouting out conspiracy theories and conjecture from one asshole like Alex Jones, or Sean Hannity, or Limpballs, or any one of them, and it is written in the Book of Republican Truth. EVEN AFTER IT IS PROVEN FALSE! Because then they move to plan B: the sources that proved them wrong are ALSO IN ON THE CONSPIRACY!
Or in a case like this, much like Obama's birth certificate, or the Seth Jones murder, or Benghazi, their brains stop at the charges made. After that it makes not difference how many times it is proven false later. How many Benghazi tribunals were there one after the other where each time there was no blame found for Hillary. Yet still, every Republican will use Benghazi as some example of Clinton incompetence.
It feels like a no win situation. Its difficult to fight stupid.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)get it all out front in simple terms so it is clear that the test doesn't always show complete history but family oral history can add information but can also be wrong. She should tell us what she thinks from the heart and be sincere.
If there is anything in the history of a candidate that is embarrassing the rethugs are going to hammer it. Announcing too soon and early can cause problems. Our eventual nominee may not even be on their radar yet or ours.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Probably makes me an outlier on this forum, but whatever.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)Additionally, we need her where she is. She is good at that.
Everyone does not have to run for President.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I think in a way it can be a more powerful job then being President.
madville
(7,404 posts)Probably have to go back to JFK to find a Massachusetts politician accepted on the national level. Kerry, Dukakis, Romney, Ted Kennedy, etc never did well nationally and that beer drinking video that felt so forced and awkward is a perfect example.
She can get her economic message out and will continue good work in the Senate but we all know she won't get out of the single digits in most of the primaries. She might get 15% in NH and 30% in MA but I doubt she's still in the race after Super Tuesday regardless.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)And in one case probably should have won if not for some shenanigans in one state.
I don't think you really understand what "never did well nationally" means.
MissMillie
(38,533 posts)I think she's a thousand times more honest than Trump and a million times more capable than Trump, but I don't think she's what much of the country is willing to vote fore.
As for me, I'm consoled by the fact that she represents my state, and I'm happy to have her here.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)provide a birth certificate in a court of law to prove she wasn't the product of an orangutan (Trump vs. Maher).
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)their ignorance is profound,,,,
https://dna-explained.com/2012/12/18/proving-native-american-ancestry-using-dna/
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Why were you denying your true German heritage?
marble falls
(57,013 posts)says not drop. Its not as if she was trying to be Iron Eyes Cody. This is going to happen from now on and all she's got to do is stick to issues and it'll eventually disappear.
She's tough, she's got what it takes to be POTUS, she'll show through this.
Beowulf42
(204 posts)How in the heck did she lie? She said she had Native American blood in her family's background. She had her DNA tested. It came back that the had Native American DNA. HER FAMILY, AND THUS ELIZABETH WARREN, HAS NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTORS. But this is because 45s uses lies and misrepresentations to attack his perceived enemies, and the deluded multitudes who believe his every word operate on the misinformation and lies. They really shouldn't be taken seriously, but here we have a full-blown news report totally without context.
oasis
(49,333 posts)far beyond 2020. The idiots don't care about how much they embarrass themselves with their lame arguments. Get used to it.
Mr. Frost
(75 posts)brooklynite
(94,363 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)This is the line they will use against her. It's bullshit, but it will probably work.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,325 posts)And, I'd bet a lot of them are professional hecklers, traveling between events, paid by Koch brothers and others. All they'd need is the brown shirts.
madville
(7,404 posts)We haven't seen anything yet. Just look at how many people despise him around here.
Most of us realize Warren will likely end her campaign after Super Tuesday anyway but the debates and media exposure are still a great vehicle for her to get her message out to a national audience