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Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:41 PM

Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax calls on FBI to investigate, urges 'due process' after sexual assault claims

Source: WTVR- CNN Wire

Embattled Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax released a new statement Saturday evening vowing not to resign and calling on the FB to investigate the two sexual assault allegations made against him.

Fairfax called the "interactions" he admits he had with both accusers "consensual" as there are growing calls for him to resign.

"I say again without reservation: I did not sexually assault or rape Meredith Watson, Vanessa Tyson or anyone else," Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax said in the statement.

Fairfax was accused by two women of sexual assault, including rape by one of the women. In his statement on Saturday, he acknowledges both interactions with the women, but says both instances were consensual.

Read more: https://wtvr.com/2019/02/09/va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-statement-asks-fbi-to-investigate-sexual-assault-allegations/



I think we all agree on the FBI investigation.

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Reply Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax calls on FBI to investigate, urges 'due process' after sexual assault claims (Original post)
Yosemito Feb 9 OP
irresistable Feb 9 #1
Yosemito Feb 9 #2
cstanleytech Feb 9 #3
irresistable Feb 9 #7
cstanleytech Feb 9 #8
Sneederbunk Feb 9 #29
Jarqui Feb 9 #38
politicaljunkie41910 Feb 9 #39
TCJ70 Feb 9 #15
irresistable Feb 9 #16
TCJ70 Feb 9 #17
irresistable Feb 9 #18
TCJ70 Feb 9 #19
irresistable Feb 9 #20
TCJ70 Feb 9 #22
irresistable Feb 9 #23
TCJ70 Feb 9 #26
irresistable Feb 9 #28
bluestarone Sunday #54
irresistable Sunday #55
bluestarone Sunday #56
irresistable Sunday #57
bluestarone Sunday #58
irresistable Sunday #59
bluestarone Sunday #60
irresistable Sunday #61
bitterross Feb 9 #34
FarPoint Sunday #52
left-of-center2012 Feb 9 #4
58Sunliner Feb 9 #21
left-of-center2012 Sunday #50
msongs Feb 9 #5
BlueStater Feb 9 #25
vdogg Sunday #53
KT2000 Feb 9 #6
cstanleytech Feb 9 #9
at140 Feb 9 #31
KT2000 Sunday #40
at140 Sunday #42
KT2000 Sunday #44
cstanleytech Sunday #43
at140 Sunday #47
cstanleytech Sunday #48
at140 Sunday #49
lark Sunday #46
Fresh_Start Feb 9 #10
Yosemito Feb 9 #13
at140 Feb 9 #32
Va Lefty Feb 9 #11
bitterross Feb 9 #35
standingtall Feb 9 #12
CTAtheist Feb 9 #14
58Sunliner Feb 9 #24
marylandblue Feb 9 #27
bitterross Feb 9 #36
at140 Feb 9 #37
bitterross Sunday #41
DallasNE Feb 9 #30
iluvtennis Feb 9 #33
pazzyanne Sunday #45
stonecutter357 Sunday #51
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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:43 PM

1. He should just resign.

He is just making a bad situation worse.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:45 PM

2. After the investigation

I don't think us DUers have the resources to interview witnesses and find facts from 18 years ago.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:46 PM

3. Nonsense. Calling for the FBI to investigate (assuming they can) could very well resolve this and

only those with something to hide would oppose an investigation.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:03 PM

7. The FBI has no jurisdiction in a case like this, and Fairfax knows that.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:07 PM

8. Then let them say so but regardless some sort of investigation to try and atleast find out if its

more likely or not that he did it is warranted because until then the default for him as it is for everyone when it comes to being accused of a crime is that they are innocent.
Even Trump for example is innocent until he is actually convicted of a crime even though I personally believe he is guilty however my belief does not matter when it comes to impeaching the sob.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:19 PM

29. +100

If I were FBI I would not touch this.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:37 PM

38. He also knows the chances of a conviction are very slim

and therefore, the chances of it every going to trial are slim

https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/2001_02/zug.htm
The third defense defendants use—that the sex was consensual—is the most common and the most difficult to defeat, Zug said. "I've never won an acquaintance rape jury trial," he said, often because of skeptical jurists.


If he claims both were consensual, along with occurrence 14-18 years ago and no police report/complaint, it is almost impossible to get to "beyond reasonable doubt" for a criminal conviction.

Fairfax & his lawyers know that as would the lawyers for the alleged victims.

With 21 of 40 VA Senate seats Republican, their best shot is impeachment - trying to get six Dems to go against him.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:43 PM

39. Agreed. In addition, the statute of limitations should be on his side. If he requests an

an FBI investigation and then lies to the FBI, he's cooked. FTR, I went in the military when I was 18, and I recall in my first week at bootcamp, we had a meeting regarding sexual assaults. Being on a very large military installation, we were told how and where to report sexual assault and what the statute of limitations on filing a sexual assault was. We were encourage to do so if we were assaulted (because it was a possibility) and to report it as soon as possible to preserve evidence and to increase the probability of apprehending the suspect. They even had women at this meeting, who were doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, to assure us that we should never have any fear of reporting a sexual assault, even if we were in a place we should not have been, and that we would be treated with respect. That stuck with me always. We also had a self-defense class to teach us a few ways to protect ourselves if attacked.

One thing I always told myself is, if a man forced himself on me and forced me to perform oral sex on him, he could count on coming up a few inches short.

However, having gone to an all girls school, and having been in the military I also have seen a small share of buyer's remorse. Women who engaged in consensual sexual relations with a guy, but then had buyer's remorse when he didn't call the next day; or they found out that he was actually seeing someone else at the same time. Women hate the thought that they've been used, even adult women. That what they thought was something special, turned out to be just what we used to call a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am. (And sometimes, they didn't even get the Thank You.) Many women definitely have a much harder time distinguishing sex from love, then men do. But that doesn't mean that they should be used and then treated as if they were disposable.


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Response to irresistable (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:35 PM

15. It's wrong to expect negative consequences from accusations alone.

An accusation isnít true based solely on its existence. If that is the standard we choose to go by itíll just give anyone ammunition to accuse anyone of anything.

Do the investigation, then act based on the results.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:42 PM

16. Both accusations are credible.....

They told others before they went public, and one of them told people at the time of the assault (as in, ran crying from the assault to one person that they told).

You cannot continue with accusations like this hanging over your head.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:44 PM

17. That's why you investigate. If you're cleared, they aren't...

...hanging over your head anymore. To just go with ďOh no! Someone said something! RUN!Ē isnít right. Itís also definitely not the precedent that should be set.

Also, credible to you may be different from credible to law enforcement and people who do investigations.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:45 PM

18. So you imagine that an investigation can prove his innocence?

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Response to irresistable (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:46 PM

19. I don't know what the result would be, because there hasn't been one.

EDIT: Also, he is innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:51 PM

20. this isn't a court of law...2 credible accusers of sexual assault, 4 years apart.

this isn't about putting Fairfax in jail.

The defenders of Fairfax sound EXACTLY like the defenders of Kavanaugh sounded.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:56 PM

22. This is just the same thing I said then...

...do an investigation and get everything out there. Thatís the only way to make a truly informed decision. Itís not a defense...itís a call for more information with which to make the right decision.

I donít automatically believe him...I donít automatically believe her. I donít know either of them well enough to judge their credibility on my own and there are professionals out there qualified to look into these claims.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:58 PM

23. He needs to resign now....Do you really think that he only did this twice?

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Response to irresistable (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

26. We don't know that he did anything. We know two people said he did...

...and thatís it. If thatís enough for you, fine.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:17 PM

28. Meredith Watson ran from the scene of the rape to a friend...crying at her door...

saying that Justin had raped her.

Sixteen years later, when another friend from Duke emailed her with information about Justin Fairfax's candidacy, she replied with this..



She didn't contact the media...she just didn't want emails about the candidacy of her rapist.

She never came forward until after he had denied assaulting Vanessa Tyson.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:45 PM

54. What do you know we don't??

Why are you asking him to resign??? I say HELL NO until proven guilty!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:38 PM

55. just saying...if a man forces two women sexually and these women considered him their friend....

He probably did this to more than just two women.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #55)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:48 PM

56. KEY word in you reply is (IF)

Why can't you wait for investigation?

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:20 PM

57. I'm not involved. There will be an impeachment hearing and the two women will testify.

He will be removed from office.

Does Fairfax really think that his position will be improved after they testify?

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Response to irresistable (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:22 PM

58. Glad your not on anybody's jury!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:26 PM

59. Fairfax should be glad that the only penalty that he will have to pay for two rapes is job loss.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:31 PM

60. Glad your not on anybody's jury

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:32 PM

61. I am glad that most people believe women.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:09 PM

34. Cold cases get solved all the time

Yes, there is every chance that an investigation can prove his innocence or guilt.

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Response to irresistable (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:04 PM

52. No rush...there is no clock....

Due process is essential in my opinion.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:48 PM

4. I agree

Have an investigation.

Many regretted demanding Al Franken resign.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:52 PM

21. Al wasn't accused of rape.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:50 AM

50. Have an investigation

Accusations aren't facts.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:51 PM

5. the alleged "victims" can file a police report and get a free investigation nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:00 PM

25. Why is victims in quotations?

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:40 PM

53. Because nothing has been proven yet.

You must first prove that a crime has taken place in order for there to be a victim of that crime. All we have now are accusations, there has been no proof provided yet. This is why an investigation is important.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 08:53 PM

6. an investigation is fair

to all parties involved.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:11 PM

9. Exactly which is why I find it odd that some would be calling for him to resign without

an investigation taking place.
Granted it may be past time for the statute of limitations but each state has a different statue of limitations on rape and some states have no statute of limitations at all for rape.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:43 PM

31. 20 years later what physical evidence any investigation can find?

DNA on Soiled dress?
Used condom?
Video of assault?
Witnesses to assault?

Please name a few items any investigating authority will find to prove or disprove sexual assault?

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Response to at140 (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:26 AM

40. talk to her friends

past and present. Talk to his friends past and present. Interview other women in Fairfax's life. Give each person a chance to describe what transpired.

An investigation is not for criminal charges. It would be for a report.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:38 AM

42. Fair enough,

If I read the news correctly, her friends have confirmed that she told them about the rape.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Response to at140 (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:43 AM

44. it should not be played out in media

put people on the record for their testimony.

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Response to at140 (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:42 AM

43. So we should assume he and everyone else that is accused of a crime is guilty for now

on rather than investigate when it's a case that is years old?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:31 AM

47. Not always, FIRST thing to look at is..

MOTIVE. Next to look at is are there multiple accusers without any motive of gains. Fairfax flunks on all counts from what we know from media reports so far.

Finally we all need to always remember victims of sexual assault are 99% female, and many are so petrified, they do not have the courage of going to police. I have read multiple accounts from female rape victims saying the interview by police was as bad as the rape itself.

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Response to at140 (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:32 AM

48. "Not always" ?????

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #48)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 10:34 AM

49. Not always -- not automatically guilty...nt

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 09:54 AM

46. Investigations into rape are often supremely unfair to the woman..

I have called for an investigation anyway, because it's the right thing to do, but would be very surprised if they dug up any information that exonerated him or proved the rape more than the victim running crying to a friend IMMEDIATELY afterwards. I wasn't buying this story until that fact came out and now it looks pretty awful for him. Unless investigators can find some large unexplained payment going into their bank accounts or collusion with some rwnj, Fairfax is toast, as he should be. OTOH, if that type of information is discovered, Fairfax should stay.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:11 PM

10. He got Kavanaugh's attorneys...he probably expects Kavanaugh type non-investigation

though as I recall, FBI had no jurisdiction to investigate Kavanaugh either.

The only way they were enabled to do so was because Trump requested them to do a non-investigation

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:25 PM

13. Kavanaugh's attorneys are excellent

They got Timothy McVeigh in the slammer.
Fairfax hired them not because they were hired by Kavanaugh, but because they are excellent.
This doesnít mean I believe Kavanaugh's innocence. I believe Ford.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:46 PM

32. McVeigh left behind a ton of evidence

What evidence did Kavanaugh or Fairfax leave behind after decades have passed and there was no bombs or gun fire or murder?

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:11 PM

11. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt until the 2nd woman stepped forward

He has to go

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:12 PM

35. So, two is the magic number? Why not 3 or 4? Why not 1?

Your criteria are quite subjective.

You weren't ready to punt him based upon one woman's accusations, but two makes it okay.

There needs to be an investigation. Not a rush to judgement.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:22 PM

12. There is no statute of limitations for rape in North Carolina

Which is where the second alleged incident happened. No reason why it cannot be investigated especially sense a second person who was on the Duke basketball team has been implicated.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:31 PM

14. Good for him. -nt

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:00 PM

24. "or anyone else,". I wonder if that telegraphs something.

Will yet another come forward? He should resign.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:10 PM

27. The Virginia legislature can investigate, impeach and convict him.

He claims he's innocent. He should demand they hold impeachment hearings. A Democrat is planning to introduce articles of impeachment on Monday if he doesn't resign.

I'd rather he resign, but if he insists he is innocent, he at least gets a trial.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:30 PM

36. I'm not sure he's met the standard for impeachment in VA.

From the VA constitution:

The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, judges, members of the State Corporation Commission, and all officers appointed by the Governor or elected by the General Assembly, offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor may be impeached by the House of Delegates and prosecuted before the Senate, which shall have the sole power to try impeachments.

I'm not an attorney and certainly not one in VA. The article seems to point to actions while in office. None of this is alleged to have happened while he was in office.

The alleged event at the 2004 DNC may be beyond the statute of limitations for MA law. NC, where Duke is located has no statute of limitations. Ms. Watson should file charges to force an investigation.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:34 PM

37. If Northam & Fairfax insist on remaining in office...

I will not stay up late to watch election results next time.

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Response to at140 (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:28 AM

41. Please do not let this whole thing stop you from being involved.

I know this has all been a very painful and unpleasant set of circumstances. The only way we can overcome these things, though, is to remain passionate and involved. If we do not like the results then it is incumbent upon us to do something about them in the next election.

Please do that. Please be part of the group that will now more closely vet the candidates for these sorts of issues. Then, pick the best person you can and support them.

As an individual voter that is the best thing we can do and is truly our civic duty.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:39 PM

30. This Will All Boil Down To The Meaning Of Consensual

And here is what Wikipedia says on the subject. Specifically, "non-verbal cues or gestures". Surely, there is a bunch of case law that helps to clarify which cues and gestures indicate consent and which do not. Let the process play out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_consent

Jump to Affirmative: "yes means yes" - Affirmative consent ("yes means yes" is when both parties agree to sexual conduct, either through clear, verbal communication or nonverbal cues or gestures. ... Prior to this, sex was considered consensual as long as neither party said ďno.Ē" (the "no means no" approach).

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:59 PM

33. Agree on an investigation - a full investigation, not the sham that was done regrading Kavanaugh.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:23 AM

45. Requests for investigations for these types of allegations...

Ö should be honored. It is too easy for someone with an agenda to seek revenge. I am more supportive for those accused if they are amenable to accepting investigations into the allegations against them. My main objection to Kavanaugh being seated was the fact that he was completely resistant to any investigation except the highly restricted one that tRump gave him. Due process should be a right of anyone who is accused of anything. Show me the facts. Then I will make up my mind on what actions should be taken.

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:57 AM

51. K&R

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Response to Yosemito (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2019, 08:35 PM

62. If he doesn't resign tomorrow then impeachment gets filed

and there will be an investigation and testimony. His accusers can testify and provide their evidence and then the Legislature can vote. Two weeks ago this guy was a no-name state politician most of us would have never heard of, the Democratic Party is not going to die on a hill for this guy. He's finished but he just hasn't admitted it to himself yet.

In any situation you have to ask what the net payoff is. Does keeping him around help or hurt the party? Getting rid of him does the party no harm, keeping him around is very damaging, that's the determining factor.

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