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Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:34 PM

Second woman accuses Va. Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexual assault

Source: The Washington Post



By Jenna Portnoy and Gregory S. Schneider February 8 at 4:25 PM

A woman said Friday she was raped by Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D) in a “premeditated and aggressive” assault in 2000, while they both were undergraduate students at Duke University.

Through her attorney, Meredith Watson said she shared her account of sexual assault immediately after it happened with several classmates, who have provided statements. Her lawyer also said she shared her account with friends in a string of emails and Facebook messages.

Watson was friends with Fairfax at Duke but they never dated or had any romantic relationship, her lawyer said.

“At this time, Ms. Watson is reluctantly coming forward out of a strong sense of civic duty and her belief that those seeking or serving in public office should be of the highest character,” said her attorney, Nancy Erika Smith in a statement Friday. “She has no interest in becoming a media personality or reliving the trauma that has greatly affected her life. Similarly, she is not seeking any financial damages.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/second-woman-accuses-va-lt-gov-justin-fairfax-of-sexual-assault/2019/02/08/19e6bb6c-2bdf-11e9-b011-d8500644dc98_story.html

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Reply Second woman accuses Va. Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexual assault (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2019 OP
femmedem Feb 2019 #1
pnwmom Feb 2019 #2
PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #3
bronxiteforever Feb 2019 #4
bitterross Feb 2019 #59
mcar Feb 2019 #5
bitterross Feb 2019 #60
dalton99a Feb 2019 #6
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #31
Cetacea Feb 2019 #33
iluvtennis Feb 2019 #7
Post removed Feb 2019 #9
iluvtennis Feb 2019 #11
Cetacea Feb 2019 #12
crazytown Feb 2019 #18
iluvtennis Feb 2019 #19
dalton99a Feb 2019 #10
appalachiablue Feb 2019 #28
vdogg Feb 2019 #46
appalachiablue Feb 2019 #49
progressoid Feb 2019 #13
TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #50
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #32
Stargazer09 Feb 2019 #51
iluvtennis Feb 2019 #64
Wabbajack_ Feb 2019 #67
crazytown Feb 2019 #8
David__77 Feb 2019 #14
Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #15
crazytown Feb 2019 #16
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #35
Yosemito Feb 2019 #17
MichMary Feb 2019 #22
femmedem Feb 2019 #23
mcar Feb 2019 #63
femmedem Feb 2019 #68
mcar Feb 2019 #69
ehrnst Feb 2019 #71
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #36
moonscape Feb 2019 #39
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #20
deurbano Feb 2019 #37
LisaL Feb 2019 #40
deurbano Feb 2019 #45
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #41
deurbano Feb 2019 #47
Apollyonus Feb 2019 #21
madville Feb 2019 #24
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #42
riversedge Feb 2019 #25
bluestarone Feb 2019 #26
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #29
bluestarone Feb 2019 #30
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #38
madville Feb 2019 #57
John Fante Feb 2019 #27
underthematrix Feb 2019 #34
deurbano Feb 2019 #43
LisaL Feb 2019 #44
deurbano Feb 2019 #48
rocktivity Feb 2019 #52
at140 Feb 2019 #53
rocktivity Feb 2019 #55
at140 Feb 2019 #56
cstanleytech Feb 2019 #54
at140 Feb 2019 #58
BlueStater Feb 2019 #61
cstanleytech Feb 2019 #62
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #65
brooklynite Feb 2019 #70
Cetacea Feb 2019 #72
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #73
Wabbajack_ Feb 2019 #66

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:36 PM

1. I was just about to post this.

Awful news.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:39 PM

2. And Ms. Watson has corroborating witnesses. Well then. He's done. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:41 PM

3. Buh bye...

 

Nuff said...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:43 PM

4. This is horrendous. He needs to resign ASAP.

Looks like plenty of evidence and immediate complaint to friends of victim.

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Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:12 PM

59. NO, he does not need to resign ASAP. There does need to be an investigation ASAP.

 

He does not need to resign immediately. He has not been found guilty of anything yet. We have to stop holding our Democratic leaders to an impossibly high standard. Your standard for him seems to be that he not be accused of anything. That's not a reasonable standard - especially considering there are actual GOP rat-fucking operations. Whether this is one or not remains to be determined.

A thorough investigation needs to take place and appropriate actions AFTER that. NOT BEFORE.

This is different from Kavanaugh in many ways. Fairfax is not about to be voted on for a lifetime position. He's already in a temporary position. So there is no need to rush in order to stop his appointment to office.

That's what we asked for with Kavanugh. Just delay the process long enough to have a fair investigation. There is no reason not to do the same for Fairfax. What powers does the Lt. Gov have anyway? Is there really any power there that he needs to be prevented from exercising until an investigation is done? Probably not.

How is it going to harm the state anymore than it has already to allow him to stay in office during an investigation? Not much. How is it going to harm the state and Fairfax if he's found innocent? A lot.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:48 PM

5. He needs to resign NOW!

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Response to mcar (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:16 PM

60. Why? Solely because he's been Accused? Is that the standard now?

 

Yes, there needs to be a thorough investigation. Until then there are two accusers and an accused.

We generally like to have an investigation and weighing of the facts before we convict people. Why we Democrats seem to want to skip that part in order to look like we're the party of higher morals and standards befuddles me.

How about we act like the party of fair and equitable treatment for a change?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:48 PM

6. What Facebook messages in 2000?

Facebook was founded in February 2004. Myspace was founded in August 2003.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:59 PM

31. The article doesn't say "Facebook."

So I don't know if the OP made an error, or if the article was corrected.

She says she shared her "account" with friends. She meant her account of the incident. Could be someone thought that meant Facebook account.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:00 PM

33. She shared with friends after Facebook was created

I'm guessing that's what that passage meant.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:49 PM

7. My question is where were these women when he ran for Lt Governor. Don't get me wrong, they

need to be heard and full investigation done, but just want to know why these accusations weren't levied when he first ran for Lt Gov.

BTW, with the 3 Dem leaders -- Gov, Lt Gov, and AG -- under scrutiny for racism and sexual assault, the 4th person in line for succession to the Governorship is a Republican. Having a republican as governor means that the redistricting that is happening in 2020 will be under control of the repugs.

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Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:53 PM

11. Yes, I can read. Did you read my post...don't think so.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:55 PM

12. So she picks a time for maximum exposure?

I'm withholding judgment until I learn more.

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Response to Cetacea (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:07 PM

18. She steps forward

when she won’t be the only one in the spotlight.

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Response to Cetacea (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:07 PM

19. Exactly. There needs to be a full investigation. I take the two women and the LG at their word.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:52 PM

10. +1. The guy has been a public figure for a long time.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:50 PM

28. SEE Paragraph 3. *Reporters have info. on #3, 4, 5 potential rape cases...

:large

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:28 PM

46. Nothing in Paragraph 3 says that. Nothing.

Nothing in that entire letter indicates the possibility of 3, 4, or 5 victims. Where are you even getting this from? Or am I responding to a troll?

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Response to vdogg (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:44 PM

49. It's linked to this Tweet, which I couldn't C & P earlier.

Donor to VA Dems., and Northam & Fairfax campaigns. Also relative of Gov. of VA (D). Careful, Not a troll.

Ben Tribbett, https://bluevirginia.us/tag/773
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Ben Tribbett‏ @notlarrysabato

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And reporters are now telling me they have heard about women #3, #4 and #5. Victims should never be outed before they are ready to come forward- but we are way overdue for a resignation.

2:10 PM - 8 Feb 2019

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

13. Same thing was asked of Cosby, Weinstein, et. al. accusers.

Where were they?

Often it just takes one brave soul to come forward to open the door for others come forward.



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Response to progressoid (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:30 PM

50. Yup. When I read the first accusation against Fairfax

all I could think was if it was true, there would be others. So here we go ...

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:00 PM

32. The AG is under investigation, too? I can't keep up with all of this. OMG. VA could be lost.

VA has a problem.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:36 PM

51. The timing bothers me

Where were all of these accusations before the election?

After the Franken debacle, I don’t trust this situation.

I’m not saying the accusations aren’t legitimate, but I am questioning why they are popping up now.

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Response to Stargazer09 (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 11:29 PM

64. +++ agree.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 01:14 AM

67. Where was Dr. Ford

When Kavanaugh was appointed to the appellate court? Who can say. Maybe they didn't follow politics so closely and didn't know he was LT Gov till now.

I wouldn't worry about losing the Governorship. Northam doesn't appear to be resigning and I doubt the AG is going to. The entire leg is up for election in Nov though and if Fairfax resigns there will be special election for his office.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:49 PM

8. Appalling news.

Fairfax needs to be replaced yesterday.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

14. I neither believe nor disbelieve her.

I also don't see this as strengthening or weakening the claim of the other person who made the accusation against Fairfax, from my perspective.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

15. That cuts it for me.

He should be immediately appointed to the Supreme Court.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:03 PM

16. ROFL

Gallows humour.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:01 PM

35. No, No, Mr. Bill...no no no....

(she says in a high pitched voice)

I still remember those Mr. Bill skits. So silly, but so funny. (If that's what your name refers to.)

Anyway...good joke about the S.Ct.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:05 PM

17. She didn't complain to Duke or police

 

Did she feel like Fairfax should be free to attack more women? I don't buy it.
Fairfax should not resign.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:18 PM

22. Oh, please

I'm sure you know why women don't report rapes.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:22 PM

23. There are lots of reasons women don't go to the police. I did go to the police and it was awful.

Without going into detail, for years my anger was sharper at the police than at the stranger who raped me.

When women go to the police, they get grilled in public on everything from "were you drinking?" to their sexual histories to "what were you wearing?" to "did you scream or try to fight him off?" (Sometimes women are too afraid to scream or fight.) And if there are no witnesses, as is usually the case, it's all for naught because it's so difficult to prove rape beyond a shadow of a doubt, even with DNA evidence.

Because I requested to listen to the tape of my grand jury hearing to refresh my memory before the trial, which was scheduled for much later--might have been a year later?--I got to hear a detective say in court that he didn't believe me. He also falsely testified that I was walking home at 5:00 a.m., not 11:00 pm. Also the police made inappropriate jokes about the rapist's body in my presence.

So the fact that she didn't go to the police shouldn't keep anyone from believing her. In fact, the rape crisis councilor that I called right away told me I should think long and hard before filing a police report because it would likely be a terrible experience. (This was in the early 1980's; I hope it is better now.)

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Response to femmedem (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:39 PM

63. I'm so sorry for what you went through

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Response to mcar (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:48 AM

68. Thanks, mcar.

I'm mostly fine now; very occasional flareups of PTSD. But I had to speak up because I was shocked by how many here are questioning why a sexual assault victim wouldn't go to the police.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #68)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 12:35 PM

69. Happens every time, doesn't it?

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Response to femmedem (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:21 PM

71. That is horrific.

 

I am so sorry that was your experience, and I'm afraid that it's far more common than not.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:03 PM

36. I've been raped. I didn't report it. You may not understand that...until it's you.

It's hard to prove. People blame the victim. Etc., etc. I'm sure you've heard the reasons.

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Response to Yosemito (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:08 PM

39. It's complicated. A close, dear friend was

raped and at the time I wanted her to go to the police for the reason you expressed. We had long conversations about it. I've never been raped so it was hard for me to grasp, but over the course of our conversations I came to understand her reasons - for her.

This is hardly uncommon.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:07 PM

20. And...here we go. Where's the bandwagon? Is the old Franken bandwagon free?

Except Franken wasn't accused of anything like the two accustations against Fairfax. One of Franken's accusers accused him of agreeing to do a selfie with her, then when he did, he smiled at the camera and put his hand on her waist, and grabbed a bit of flesh. I kid you not. That was one of the accusations that Franken's co-senators booted him out of the Senate for.

So here we have two very serious allegations. Much more serious than giving a selfie while putting his hand around someone's waist.

Is Fairfax going to survive this?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

37. With Franken, it seemed like the complaint was he was fat-shaming her...

unless he has a cellulite fetish or something. I never understood why his request for an investigation wasn't better received.

But yes, this is very different.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:10 PM

40. If you ask me, more like she felt ashamed because she gained some weight.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:25 PM

45. That's what I thought, plus she seems a bit idiosyncratic in her personal "boundaries."

We're all entitled to establish our own comfort zones, but it seems unfair to label something as sexual harassment that doesn't have a sexual component for the vast majority of people. It would be pretty hard for someone quickly complying with a selfie request to realize they were violating this personal boundary.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:12 PM

41. No. She said she felt that he was harassing her...she was "uncomfortable" with the touching.

Fat-shaming isn't harassment. She revealed her incident in the context of the "me, too" movement.

Franken was just being Franken...like Biden. Very friendly, hugs & kisses, hands around waists...but I bet they don't do that any more.

I would never publicly criticize someone for being nice enough to give me the selfie I asked for, but then he put his hand around my waist & grabbed a bit. That's ridiculous.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:32 PM

47. I don't actually think he was fat shaming her. I meant that if he was deliberately trying to squeeze

the excess around her waist, that would be fat shaming, not sexual harassment... unless he has a cellulite fetish. (I don't actually believe he has a cellulite fetish, either.)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:10 PM

21. Justin should resign now. n/t

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:34 PM

24. He's done

He needs to go and a replacement appointed while Northam is still Governor. I don't think Northam is going anywhere though.

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Response to madville (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:14 PM

42. Northam won't be keen to appoint a replacement.

That would mean that HE, too, should be replaced. It's a predicament.

But in my view, it's for VA to handle. They were elected by Virginia voters. It's their decision. If the Dem Party doesn't want them associated with the party, they can leave the party and remain in their posts.

What a mess.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:43 PM

25. #METOO

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:48 PM

26. Let the investigation proceed

What is wrong with letting the investigation proceed BEFORE we all decide?

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:52 PM

29. That's not the way that things are done, now.

Were you around during the Franken ouster? Or when the Northam pic was exposed?

No questions asked. Bandwagon fills up with people demanding the accused resign immediately, or else.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:58 PM

30. EXACTLY! That's why

my comment was made!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:08 PM

38. I forgot to put "sarcasm" notation to my post.

I meant it sarcastically, because of course people shouldn't be judged guilty at first blush.

But...now that it's been done not once, but at least twice...people would wonder why this time, why this person, who gets different treatment. When in fact, his are the most serious allegations of all.

The position I've taken about Northam, and now about Fairfax, is that this is a state matter. This is for Virginia to handle. Virginia voters elected Northam and Fairfax. They have a right to keep them, if they want, or boot them out. It's a state matter. Since when do elected officials go around trying to oust state-elected officials in other states? That's really unusual.

But apparently Kathryn Harris, Brown, and others disagreed. They immediately called for Northam to resign. So....there you go. (They also called for Franken to resign...which in the Senate, meant he was ousted.)

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:44 PM

57. What investigation?

The only investigation right now is the reporting the media is doing.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:48 PM

27. Fairfax needs to resign immediately.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:01 PM

34. I too do not take a position on the veracity

of the accusers but this means Fairfax has been accused by two different women at two different piints in his life of rape and sexual assault. There needs to be a criminal investigation which means he needs to resign immediately.


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Response to underthematrix (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:16 PM

43. Can the governor immediately appoint a Lt Gov. if Fairfax resigns?! That could be a way out of all

this (eventually), without ending up with a Republican governor. In addition to all the other ways that would be a crap development, it would subvert the will of the VA voters who declined to choose a Republican for any of the top three positions!

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Response to deurbano (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:16 PM

44. Fairfax denies everything so seems unlike he would be resigning.

In fact in his latest statement he says he won't resign.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:35 PM

48. But is that how the situation is handled in VA if a Lt. Gov does resign? The governor

appoints his successor?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:45 PM

52. She told everyone but the cops -- and they ALL kept their mouths shut for 20 years?

And we're off!


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:54 PM

53. So you condone Kavanaugh because Dr Ford

did not go public for 30 years?

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Response to at140 (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:14 PM

55. What I condone is any reasonable doubt going the the defendant.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:40 PM

56. Fair enough,,,,nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:08 PM

54. Its pretty clear that a detailed investigation clearly needs to be done

and everyone involved should be questioned while under oath including the Lt Gov and if it finds he did it then he needs to be removed from office just like Trump and Kavanaugh should have been if the Repugnants had any morality.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:01 PM

58. Detailed investigation after 20 years is meaningless

There will be no video of the sexual assault or witnesses, no used condoms found, no soiled dress preserved. What can investigation prove except that the two people knew each other.

I support what senator Hirono who said..."women victims must be believed".
Especially when multiple accusers emerge with courage.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:25 PM

61. Yep, he's done.

This isn't like the Franken situation at all. The first accuser sounded extremely credible. I don't know about this second woman, but she's not hiding her identity which is NOT a good sign at all for him.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

62. "Yep, he's done." Not necessarily.

After all multiple women came forward both about Trump and Kavanaugh and one went on to the White House and the other to the Supreme Court.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 12:22 AM

65. Disclaimer: I am no longer defending Justin Fairfax

If he's going to have women coming out of the woodwork (and I have no doubt that some person or persons are digging up his high school girlfriend as we speak), then yes his position is 100% untenable (on top of that he's a Dukie which is the double death)... A shame he wasn't a Republican because he'd still have a nice long political career ahead of him...

Having said that, ARE YOU FUCKIN' SHITTING ME?? Another accusation with no police report? I mean FFS, she doesn't even say in detail what happened -- Is that all it takes these days? Just saying "He raped me at some unspecified time and place!" through an attorney is enough to condemn someone?? So I'm supposed to believe she told all her friends at Duke what happened and not one of them told her to go to the police? She never shared this with a school counselor or trusted faculty member? Because they would have been legally obligated to report it to police... Can anyone help me understand why these women were too scared to say anything back when he was a nobody but now that he almost became governor through succession they found their courage?

It's clear that while nobody thinks Fairfax's (alleged) crimes are worth police investigation or jail time, a whole lot of people don't want him to be Lt. Gov. So if folks want him gone this bad, I'm no longer going to fight the tidal wave.

But all I'll say is this -- Once all the dust settles and everyone calms the hell down we need to have a good long chat over how absolutely shady this all is because destroying someone's political career over an unsubstantiated accusation and a supporting unsubstantiated half-accusation with no due process sets a really, really ugly precedent... Meanwhile Trump, Kavanaugh and god knows who else on the other side of the aisle are watching us eat our own and laughing their asses off...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 02:48 PM

70. I'm always impressed by people who HAVEN'T been raped....

...telling me what the proper behavior of people who HAVE been raped should be.

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Sun Feb 10, 2019, 05:51 PM

73. You need to put "allegedly" in there, Cap...

Just like how I'm impressed in non-Virginians telling us what to do...

But we'll see how it all plays out and we'll see who's right.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2019, 01:03 AM

66. This is so sad

I thought he was a good man who could became a great Governor. If this is true he's a monster.

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