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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 09:54 AM

APNewsBreak: US approved thousands of child bride requests

Source: Associated Press

APNewsBreak: US approved thousands of child bride requests
By COLLEEN LONG
47 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Thousands of requests by men to bring in child and adolescent brides to live in the United States were approved over the past decade, according to government data obtained by The Associated Press. In one case, a 49-year-old man applied for admission for a 15-year-old girl.

The approvals are legal: The Immigration and Nationality Act does not set minimum age requirements. And in weighing petitions for spouses or fiancees, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services goes by whether the marriage is legal in the home country and then whether the marriage would be legal in the state where the petitioner lives.

But the data raises questions about whether the immigration system may be enabling forced marriage and about how U.S. laws may be compounding the problem despite efforts to limit child and forced marriage. Marriage between adults and minors is not uncommon in the United States, and most states allow children to marry with some restrictions.

There were more than 5,000 cases of adults petitioning on behalf of minors and nearly 3,000 examples of minors seeking to bring in older spouses or fiances, according to the data requested by the Senate Homeland Security Committee in 2017 and compiled into a report. (1)

Some victims of forced marriage say the lure of a U.S. passport combined with lax U.S. marriage laws are partly fueling the petitions.
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(1) https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Child%20Marriage%20staff%20report%201%209%202019%20EMBARGOED.pdf

Read more: https://apnews.com/19e43295c76d4d249aa51c9f643eb377

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mahatmakanejeeves Jan 11 OP
Solly Mack Jan 11 #1
bullwinkle428 Jan 11 #2
Hortensis Jan 12 #37
jcgoldie Jan 11 #3
inwiththenew Jan 11 #4
Equinox Moon Jan 11 #6
catbyte Jan 11 #10
aggiesal Jan 11 #14
Equinox Moon Jan 11 #23
Igel Jan 11 #30
WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 11 #22
keithbvadu2 Jan 11 #5
safeinOhio Jan 11 #7
IronLionZion Jan 11 #8
ancianita Jan 11 #20
Igel Jan 11 #31
IronLionZion Jan 11 #32
marble falls Jan 11 #9
2naSalit Jan 11 #11
karynnj Jan 11 #16
marble falls Jan 11 #18
karynnj Jan 11 #26
dlk Jan 11 #12
avebury Jan 11 #13
Kali Jan 11 #27
CabalPowered Jan 11 #35
SWBTATTReg Jan 11 #15
karynnj Jan 11 #17
usaf-vet Jan 11 #19
ancianita Jan 11 #21
paulkienitz Jan 11 #24
karynnj Jan 11 #25
Power 2 the People Jan 11 #28
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 #29
Cold War Spook Jan 11 #33
GulfCoast66 Jan 11 #34
allgood33 Jan 12 #36

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

1. K&R

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

2. So much for sex-trafficking laws.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:35 AM

37. Actually, unmarried girls in conservative nations are

major targets for not just sex traffickers but also serious abuse from their own families. Many girls become effectively slaves to relatives after failing to achieve the status of being a wife.

Getting them safely into the protection of marriage and the status of wives is a top priority and considered wholly respectable when the husband is a respectable choice.

These issues are not all black and white, and our first duty is to do no harm while we educate ourselves.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

3. Looks like you don't really need to put tape on their mouths...

...and haul them out into the middle of the desert after all.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

4. Here's where they are coming from

Not really surprising to be honest.


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Response to inwiththenew (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

6. Thanks for the chart.

I don't fully understand it though. All the countries listed are the heritage of the American petitioning? "Spousal" and "Fiance" petitions what does this mean? They don't have a spouse until they are married.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:21 AM

10. I think "spousal" means they already got married in the other country.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

14. The petitioner goes to Mexico, finds a bride and marries that person ...

returns to the US and petitions to bring the "wife" to the US.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:15 PM

23. OMG!!! I had no idea!

This is sex trafficking!
PUKE!!!

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:53 PM

30. Or the other way around.

Mr. Q. wants to emigrate to the US. His cousin's in-laws arrange for him to marry Miss P., who's 16 and an American. Miss P. is taken back to her parents' home country, marries Mr. Q., and upon return to the US petitions to have her fiance granted a visa.

It's not bringing the desirable young thing to the US, it's helping to reunite families and friends. Sometimes Miss P's relatives might be compensated with currency, sometimes it's just a friend or business partner and part of the "currency" that makes families and clans stick and work together. "Get my younger brother, Mr. Q into the US, I'll hire your cousin."

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:13 PM

22. Two different visa categories

The one for fiance(e)s is the K visa. Once the visa is obtained, the couple must marry within 90 days from entry in the U.S. The other is a straight petition by the US citizen spouse on behalf of a foreign spouse and they are already married at the time of the petition.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:38 AM

5. Not so much for Russia and Asian countries. They are heavily into bride matchmaking advertising.

Not so much for Russia and Asian countries.

They are heavily into bride matchmaking advertising.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

7. Welcome to America, you creeps and

welcome to the land of No Fault Divorce....lots of fun in your future here.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

8. So are Dems in congress going to reform the laws to prevent child brides?

or allow Trump to use this as an excuse for more racism and demonize immigrants?

One suggested reform is to set a minimum age at the federal level for spousal/fiance immigration and they have to follow it, not their home country or state law. Or we can demonize and deport the millions of brown people who have no interest in child brides.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

20. + 1000 for best question

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 05:55 PM

31. Once married,

it's family reunification.

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Response to Igel (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:01 PM

32. They didn't recognize gay marriages for many years

they can do the same if one of the people is under a specified age. In some countries they even ask the person if they are coming in because of an unwanted arranged marriage.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:07 AM

9. Unbelievable. Just totally shocked. How can we find out how our legistaters voted ...

regarding this gross abuse of law and underaged child victims.

The AP news linked story is great.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:22 AM

11. Sites like

www.votesmart.org often have the voting histories of the officeholders.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:45 AM

16. I suspect that any bill would not have spoken of minors - just "spouses"

Then - reading it - a Congressman would see that spouses of Americans who are citizens of a foreign country are eligible to get a special type of visa. The marriage which occured in the foreign country - possibly by proxy - would be dictated by the country in question.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

18. That's exactly the problem. Its not specifically prohibited by law. This issue has my attention now.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:28 PM

26. I'm totally with you!

The solution really has to be to set a minimum age for the VISAs. At this point, it seems that the age - by law - is the age where it

From the report:
"The fact that child marriages are legal in the United States has significant implications for
the U.S. immigration system. The INA does not prohibit minors from petitioning on behalf of a
spouse or fiancé to receive immigration benefits, nor does it prohibit a U.S. adult citizen from
petitioning on behalf of a minor spouse or fiancé.29 USCIS will only consider whether the
petitioner’s age at marriage “violates the laws of the place of celebration or the public policy of
the U.S. state in which the couple plans to reside.”30 However, USCIS does not require the minor
to demonstrate parental or judicial consent, even if the state in which they will reside would have
required it to marry.31"

Note that requiring the parental consent, when it might be the parents who made the agreement, would likely not help. I wonder if JUST requiring the person to be the age needed WITHOUT consent would correct the problem.

Here is a chart that shows the age in each state you must be to marry with or without. As the document shows states allow, under differing circumstances, child marriages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:24 AM

12. Of Course They Did - U. S. Misogyny Runs Very Deep

This misogyny is so pervasive we often don't even see it.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

13. I would think that people could game the system to bring in people who

are having a hard time getting a visa to come to the US where the American is willing to do is just to assist someone in need. After a sufficient enough time they could get divorced and do their separate ways.

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Response to avebury (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:44 PM

27. obviously you have not been through the process

it is pretty intrusive and grueling

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Response to Kali (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:42 PM

35. I can attest to that

My wife is a Chinese national and her parents work for the government. The process was invasive but appropriate as well. We came away impressed at the rigor and logic of it all.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:33 AM

15. I remember one time when my trasmission went out in my car, and I had to stay over in a ...

small town until the car was fixed. The guy repairing my transmission was so proud of his child bride. I almost puked and was so glad to leave when my car was fixed minimally, and I told the guy that I wanted the car fixed minimally so I could leave asap...I then took the car to my local mechanic.

This was around the Springfield MO area...disgusting.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:47 AM

17. Was the child from a foreign country? (not that a US born child bride is acceptable) nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 11:53 AM

19. Of course we would approve those applications. Adolescent immigrants don't vote....

...so they are no immediate threat to republicans being voted against.

Immigration is all about maintaining republican power.

Blocking likely democratic voting immigrants is preemptive voter suppression.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:08 PM

21. Confusing. Is this a national security risk by chain migration covered over by child marriage laws?

Just raising the age of consent inside and outside the U.S. would likely lower the much older immigration of "spouses," no?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

24. Not acceptable.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:20 PM

25. The problem may be the basic rules that specify that the marriage must be legal where they will live

"The fact that child marriages are legal in the United States has significant implications for
the U.S. immigration system. The INA does not prohibit minors from petitioning on behalf of a
spouse or fiancé to receive immigration benefits, nor does it prohibit a U.S. adult citizen from
petitioning on behalf of a minor spouse or fiancé.29 USCIS will only consider whether the
petitioner’s age at marriage “violates the laws of the place of celebration or the public policy of
the U.S. state in which the couple plans to reside.”
30 However, USCIS does not require the minor
to demonstrate parental or judicial consent, even if the state in which they will reside would have
required it to marry."

The report notes that the USCIS does not require parental or judicial consent. Even if that were changed, it would likely solve very little of the problem - as no one is saying these children lack the parents' approval. In fact, it may be the parents exploiting the kids.

Looking at the table, the State Department itself rejected the 2 13 year old applications. The rest are for children 14 through 17. From the bolded text, it would seem that these are children going to live in states that allow marriage at those ages (sometimes requiring parental approval.) Scanning the document, it is clear that the USCIS does the screening for the most part.

Here is a chart that shows by state the age where marriage is allowed - with or without parental consent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States One thing immediately apparent is that many states have no legal limit if conditions are met. Note that USCIS does not require those same conditions.

It would seem that either they need a bill that sets a minimum age for any visa of these types. To prevent this - even domestically, the states would need to change their laws. Delaware and NJ changed their law to make it illegal to marry under 18. However, I would bet that as long as some states allow it, there would be out of state weddings in states with lower limits.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:26 PM

28. That's sick and this rule needs to be changed.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:02 PM

33. How about no minimum age?

That would be 17 states.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:16 PM

34. Cultural differences be damned! This is bullshit.

I want no member of a culture that thinks a grown man marrying a 13-17 year old girl is ever acceptable in this country.

That includes the fundies from my home state of Louisiana that still defend it. The old, “my great grandmother was only 14 and my great grandfather was 24” kind of defense. It was wrong then and now.

It is straight from the Middle Ages.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:19 AM

36. Sounds a lot like legal sex trafficking to me. What is statutory rape? I am confused.

What separates statutory rape from child marriages? I never knew this was legal in the US. What distinguishes this from slave labor, sex with minors??? Powerful men don't discuss this part of the immigration process.

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