Harry Reid pushing for more UFO research
Source: Roll Call
The topic of UFOs was on Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reids mind Thursday because his interview with KNPR came just before he said he was scheduled to talk with an important senator about setting up a way for members of the military to support exploring suspicious sightings without facing retribution.
Im going to have a call with a member of the Senate in an hour or two where we have people in the military who want to come and tell somebody what theyve seen, Reid said in the interview, declining to identify who that senator is. (Food for thought: Reids former deputy, Senate Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin, D-Ill., is the ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.)
What we found in the past is that these pilots, when they see something strange like this, theyre prone not to report it for fear that the bosses will think somethings wrong with them, and they dont get the promotion, he said. So, many, many times they dont say a word to anybody about these strange things.
The facts are, they need a place to be able to report this, and thats what Im going to work on in a couple of hours, to make sure that somebody I thinks a powerful member in Congress, I want him to be able to sit down and talk to some of these pilots who have seen these things, Reid said. I can arrange this because of the contacts I have with members of the Congress.
We have hundreds and hundreds of people that have seen the same thing something in the sky, it moves a certain way. Reid said that also included sightings of 'vessels' at sea.
Read more: https://www.rollcall.com/news/hoh/harry-reid-lobbying-ufo-research-reporting
Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)by discussing the subject publicly.
He has done those who have seen movements and appearances they know to be unlike all objects they've seen already a big honor, he's expressing his belief in them and their integrity, and opening himself to the same ignorant harassment from people who are too afraid to open their minds to anything they already don't know about. Oh, yeah, those same people would foam at the mouth if he claimed he didn't see any evidence for their "gawd," however.
Thanks, left of center.
BigmanPigman
(51,368 posts)Thank you Harry!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)What if some percentage of the sightings are the latest gizmos from the Russian or Chinese military? We REALLY want to know about that!
PSPS
(13,484 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Id just as soon leave the crazy shit to the GOP. Kucinichs chemtrail nonsense didnt do Democrats any favors either.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)humans are unique in the universe, or the center of it
whether there are aliens visiting this solar system is a real question worthy of liberal open mindedness. and being afraid of what the motherfucking republicans think is a byproduct of stupidly ignoring 1500 radio stations and letting a few shit fer brains like limbaugh decide what is and isn't acceptable for americans to believe, like global warming, and the effectiveness of a wall.
the use of airplanes as a method of assassination is well established.
and i do remember seeing a very well defined grid of trails across the sky one day. my mind is open to why that happened
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)That means I don't believe other life forms have ever existed in the universe. I really shouldn't have to explain the various levels of fallacy involved here.
Lack of skepticism doesn't cause people to believe in nonsense, it's actually in spite of it.
If you want to float chemtrail nonsense on DU, be my guest. It's not as if others before you haven't tried. You can find evidence of that in the TOS as it's specifically mentioned.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)I'm pretty sure the reverse is true. YMMV.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)An internet meme is a great rebuttal for a call to research.
certainot
(9,090 posts)they said
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Duppers
(28,088 posts)TrogL
(32,818 posts)I've seen a few things I can't explain.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)at Wright Patterson AFB. Before it was disbanned they reported that they found no evidence that we were visited by space travelers.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)The TV show makes clear that the military hired the Ohio State astrophysicist in charge so the public would buy the story that they are just weather balloons etc. I miss Art Bell. I delighted in listening to the UFO believers in the middle of the night bravely yelling PEOPLE OF EARTH! THEYRE COMING!
Archae
(46,246 posts)The head of MUFON, (Mutual UFO Net2ork,) lamented the fact that even though just about everyone and their Mother has cameras 24/7 on their cellphones, surveillance cameras, etc, no clear pictures of any flying saucers or other UFO's have come up.
A lot of mistaken identity and flat-out hoaxes, though.
This "Operation Blue Book" will be like that old TV show, "Project UFO."
"Based on true stories," but the stories are embellished severely.
We like laughing at the "QAnon" true believers, "birthers," and so on from the right-wing.
But if someone is critical of any beliefs we have, that have no evidence to back them up?
"Oh that's different!"
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Now of course because of the internet we know all of those were true
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Nessie and Bigfoot? GTFO.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)These are so absurd as to be funny but we actually have a problem, a nation with huge numbers believing idiotic things. So far no one has a good solution.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)However, inevitably the intersections branch out considerably and most of those roads go straight through wingnutville into some very bad places.
Archae
(46,246 posts)Robert Kennedy Jr *STILL* calls vaccines "poisons" that "cause autism."
And anti-vaxxers can kill.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and doing shows suggesting global warming is a hoax -
the night show has become an extension of republican talk radio propaganda operation, now russian radio
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)in the Dayton Daily News and the Journal Herald. Blue Book said that UFOs exist but there is no evidence that they are from another planet. They are just unidentified. And that the government has no reason to hide anything from the public. But people believed in Roswell and area 51 are government attempts to keep the truth from the public.
I visited the Air Force Museum monthly as a kid. I ate drank and slept air and space travel.
My mom let me stay home from school to watch every manned space launch on TV. I now live near Vandenberg AFB and see many launches from there.
I have absolutely no belief in beings from other planets visiting earth. For one, they would have to exist on no sustenance like spirits and live very extended life expectancy.
For another they would have to have abandoned their home since the distance is so great, or they have found a way to time travel or beam themselves around like star treck.
But mostly, there is no material or physical evidence left behind that we can see and touch.
There is only belief based on faith like religion. "So many people say UFOs are real and some are respectable therefore it has to be true" is all that can be said.
jayfish
(10,035 posts)(Scientific Consultant for Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book) changed his mind about UFOs, right?
Over the past eighteen years I have acted as a scientific consultant to the U.S. Air Force on the subject of unidentified flying objects - UFO's. As a consequence of my work on the voluminous Air Force files and, to a greater extent, of personal investigation of many puzzling cases and interviews with witnesses of good repute, I have long been aware that the subject of UFO's could not be dismissed as mere nonsense.
J. Allen Hynek
When one gets reports from scientists, engineers and technicians whose credibility by all common standards is high and whose moral caliber seems to preclude a hoax, one can do no less than hear them out, in all seriousness.
J. Allen Hynek
TrogL
(32,818 posts)Probably around 1968.
Huge black object with neon coloured lights flying around it doing impossible aerobatics
Duppers
(28,088 posts)My hubs, a retired NASA PhD physicist, was at first very skeptical, but is now convinced and says humans do not have the science to duplicate what I and others have seen. Many years ago he had a colleague who said he had seen some strange things. I was irritated that my husband didn't press for more information.
Yet most folks can believe in a sky daddy.
trev
(1,480 posts)Archae
(46,246 posts)Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)The epic moonbombing post is now a dead link.
Docreed2003
(16,793 posts)I'm still hung up over Paul Wellstone and aliens. WTF!?
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)He's been pretty solid on this stuff for awhile. After you've seen these things, it changes you I'd imagine. I mean I know it does. My minds open.
Don't be so easily led that the things coming to this planet are, "our own". That's human pride and fear, trying to take the credit for something they don't understand. There's too much evidence carved or placed in stone to be too naive about the possibility. Literally for thousands of years. Ever wonder why we haven't charted ALL the bottoms of the oceans or gone back to the moon with a vigor? Astronaut testimony on youtube will elucidate a few things for you. Astronauts are solid citizens, not prone to telling tall tales. Believe it or not. I choose to believe.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)To believe its us is to have your head so far in the ground. How can ancient paintings of the Madonna etc...W A UFO above and behind them be the US govt? And that's just one smalll piece. Central American artifacts?? come on. Literally millions of sightings by lucid individuals. Jimmy carter was Nuclear Sub navy...and he saw one. On and on. Just have to be willing to look at the stars and see the possibilities. I'd be more prone to believe the military is covering it up, rather than developing it.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)There is no physical evidence existing in any hanger or museum or somebodys garage to prove aliens visit here.
You have the Roswell thinking. The government took the aliens to a hanger in Area 51.
For real there was a government Boeing 737 that flew from Las Vegas to Area 51 and it was called Spook Airlines.
trev
(1,480 posts)Read Encounter in Rendlesham Forest for an in-depth, documented incident reported by the USAF--backed by physical evidence.
[link:https://www.amazon.com/Encounter-Rendlesham-Forest-Best-Documented-Incident/dp/1250063310/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547239633&sr=1-1&keywords=rendlesham+forest+incident|]
You either believe or you don't hey? I want to believe and I have seen. That's enough for me.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)This place some days.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)mbusby
(821 posts)...why do space aliens travel several light years to earth so that they can shove an instrument up our ass. Is this some kind of fetish?
certainot
(9,090 posts)a human ass make any difference?
Onyrleft
(344 posts)was or was not better than his brother Rudolph.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)up in Dayton Ohio.
They always had an explanation for sightings. One was swamp gas where there wasnt any swamp.
trev
(1,480 posts)I was twelve when I read Project Blue Book. In it, the authors admitted that there were no explanations for 701 sightings.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Like it could have been swamp gas that caused what someone saw.
Igel
(35,173 posts)A few other compound, but it's methane that's the cause of the glow or fire.
It can be produced by a few things. But still some will call it "swamp gas." Or marsh gas.
There are areas around here that were built on landfill. There are pipes going down to the landfill. The pipes burp methane. Strictly speaking that could be called "swamp gas."
We'll leave aside that I think of Houston as a giant swamp and consider that an eccentricity of mine.
herding cats
(19,545 posts)I'm more than willing to give a former elected official a pass on something nutty (but strangely still widely believed) considering that.
It's not like he impregnated his mistress while his wife was dying of cancer. That's a burn I'll never forget.
This is how I see it, if anything aliens watch us live every Thursday night during prime time television. It's a betting game to see how much stupid f'ing self inflicted damage we can do before we destroy our society. Luckily they discovered popcorn when they visited last, which they only indulge in during their Thursday "Crazyass Humans on Earth" TV binge nights, since it had to be cultivated in controlled environment on their world. Resources are scant, and they're smarter than to waste them on a daily basis doing self destructive crap. Unlike those crazyass humans on earth.
Mr.Bill
(24,031 posts)has a camera in their pocket we are not seeing much more UFO pictures and videos?
Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)A lot more gets out there, and people see it regularly.
Of course people still do often choose to remain quiet, as they have in the past, since we all know drooling idiots who don't know #### from ####### about anything, who have never bothered to research, or spend more than 10 seconds thinking, are wild to run out and start attacking anyone who mentions something they didn't learn as children from their own drunken, or criminally insane parents.
Many people are reticent to make targets of themselves, while more and more do contact local and national and international authorities.
You can find out about it by starting to look for answers yourself.
"Look and ye shall find."
Mr.Bill
(24,031 posts)except insults for people who don't think like you. Got it.
This conversation is over.
Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)for people who have thought about the subject a lot, and researched as much as time allows them.
That's where the insults originate.
Mr.Bill
(24,031 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,031 posts)You might want to direct that comment to the one wo was still posting through the middle of the night.
Duppers
(28,088 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)Marcuse
(7,376 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)Fuzzpope
(602 posts)The level of ignorance and hostility in the comments here.
UAP armchair debunkers are among the most willfully dense annoying jerks I've come across on any subject.
I'm not trying to start any shit here, but it just brings me to mind of that childhood lesson we all (should have) learned:
If you don't have anything nice, or positive to contribute to a [this] discussion, please just stfu and allow others to have a hassle free discussion without having to cross blades with a person with literally zero investment on the subject pointlessly antagonizing others who are.
This thread is not about your personal lack of belief, if it's important enough to you that you feel compelled to force that on others, go start new thread of your own.
I guarantee you that no believers of the phenomenon or actual witnesses like myself are going to crash your little party, trust me.
It is disappointing ... and I dont even have a dog in this fight. But its conspicuously apparent just as you described.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)Unless you are a repeat customer, you probably don't know about the prolific shitposting on DU from those who wanted to use this forum as a soapbox for every tinfoil hat delusion you can imagine and some you couldn't dream up if you worked on it full time. The 9/11 "truthers" were particularly nasty and it took a considerable effort to exorcise those demons. They were far from the only ones.
So no, I don't agree crank magnetism is a good thing and if you can't suffer spirited critical review of any idea, much less the ones that require a significant departure from reality, then it's probably best to look for a different "party", so to speak.
Duppers
(28,088 posts)See my post #59 above.
You have articulated the situation so well. Thank you.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)You can start with one of the best recorded, most heavily researched UAP sightings in history, the DHS high definition capture of a UAP in Puerto Rico that according to extensive scientific analysis, broke our understanding of the laws of physics in multiple ways.
The footage:
The 162 page analysis by an international scientific coalition of respected scientists from multiple disciplines:
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/299316_9a12b53f67554a008c32d48eff9be5cd.pdf
Nobody is talking about Roswell anymore. We have dozens of infrared surveillance captures of UAP that are not visible in the range of human vision. A lot of progress has been made while ppl deliberately choose to ignore the growing mass of evidence.
MontanaMama
(23,219 posts)Never seen anything like it and I wouldnt be able to explain it.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)1 - the object can be seen splitting into two separate objects, traveling in parallel, then seamlessly recombibe.
2 - the object enters the coastal waters, and according to the analysis, show no sign of friction whatsoever. This is one of the cited behaviors in the analysis that are said to break our current comprehension of physical law.
3(bonus) - the object can clearly be seen to be rotating, seemingly on no fixed axis, at random. No evident stream of propulsion is evident, and a fixed propulsion exhaust mechanism would not function under the object's rotation behavior. The only means to explain how it's able to move through the air is through some manner of uniform energy field, electromagnetic or gravatic in nature.
Neither of which we of course posses with our current level of technological advances.
Neato.
MontanaMama
(23,219 posts)Made for good reading during a bout of insomnia. Wow. Just wow.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,077 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,204 posts)Fuzzpope
(602 posts)This program was put into action at the request of Harry Reid. Last year, there was a release of three videos by the DOD. Here is one of them, the first to be released to the public:
RandiFan1290
(6,204 posts)I believe the pilots
Pisces
(5,584 posts)Space force. He won't be able to keep his big mouth shut. He is dying to tell the public something big that the government has been keeping a secret.
BruceWane
(345 posts)At this point, given the state of global warming we've got ourselves in and the political resistance to addressing it, PLUS the #1 geopolitical entity on planet Earth deciding to have a serious flirt with fascism, I'm thinking maybe our best hope is to find some aliens and ask for help.
'Cause we clearly need some really objective input.
I'm only half joking
grumpyduck
(6,183 posts)do they qualify as illegal aliens?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)
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Stuart G
(38,328 posts)or ...Why get involved with beings that seem "hell bent on self destruction." ...and...
"Just take a look at the atmosphere of this place."...let's go somewhere else...