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Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:21 PM

Hillary Clinton: 'Likability' discussion around female candidates 'takes me back'

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Source: Politico





By MATTHEW CHOI 01/07/2019 12:47 PM EST


Talk of whether or not the U.S. is prepared to elect women leaders "takes me back," 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton told an audience in New York on Monday, praising the resolve of that state's female elected officials for getting legislation passed to protect women's reproductive rights.
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"But today I want to thank all of you for your persistence," Clinton said of several women officials at the event. "I know many of you and can attest as to how smart, determined, effective and, dare I say, likable you all are."........................



Clinton delivered her remarks at an event at Barnard College to announce Gov. Andrew Cuomo's agenda to codify Roe v. Wade protections into New York state law. Cuomo, a Democrat whose name has also been floated as a potential 2020 candidate, is pushing to have his Reproductive Health Care Act pass New York's state legislature within the chamber's first 30 days.

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"When it comes to getting all of this done," Clinton said of the governor's initiative, "I believe the vision of the people and groups here today, the commitment of public servants in the Legislature and the courage of candidates who ran on these issues, coupled with the determination of Gov. Cuomo, will prove to be an unstoppable combination."

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/07/hillary-clinton-2020-female-candidates-1085190



wouldn't it be a treat to have a President who could speak in whole sentences about matters that affect our lives!!!!





Hillary Clinton speaks at an event for reproductive rights in New York at Barnard College on Jan. 7, in New York City. | Drew Angerer/Getty Images

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Reply Hillary Clinton: 'Likability' discussion around female candidates 'takes me back' (Original post)
riversedge Jan 7 OP
redstatebluegirl Jan 7 #1
SunSeeker Jan 7 #2
redstatebluegirl Jan 7 #3
riversedge Jan 7 #16
Arkansas Granny Jan 7 #4
JI7 Jan 7 #5
Arkansas Granny Jan 7 #6
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 7 #8
LanternWaste Jan 7 #17
Gore1FL Jan 7 #19
LisaM Jan 7 #11
Pisces Jan 7 #13
LisaM Jan 7 #15
Pisces Jan 7 #12
karynnj Jan 7 #23
Pisces Jan 7 #7
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 7 #9
meadowlander Jan 7 #14
crazycatlady Jan 7 #20
Pisces Jan 7 #22
meadowlander Jan 7 #10
littlemissmartypants Jan 7 #18
Gothmog Jan 7 #21
JudyM Jan 7 #24

Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:25 PM

1. I remember when I was being considered for a management position at the company

I worked for right out of college. My name is interchangeable, it could be male or female. My boss put me forward to manage one of our radio stations and it made it through to the top. Once the owner saw my sex the odd questions began about "likeability". I remember asking him what that had to do with the job of retooling a station since people who have to fire people are rarely well liked and he huffed at me. Next day, I was back as a sales manager.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:31 PM

2. That is so fucked up!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:34 PM

3. That was the late 70's, and in many places now.

It was not fun trying to move up in business at that time. I worked there 10 years and then moved on to academics, higher ed, took a huge paycut, sold my expensive car, house and whatnot and was a happy camper. Grew to hate business after clearchannel bought out our stations and fired almost all of the people over 40.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:49 PM

16. Sorry to hear that.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:36 PM

4. I don't recall ever hearing "likeability" enter the discussion concerning a male candidate.

Maybe I missed it, but I sure don't remember it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:51 PM

5. and trump is NOT likable

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:53 PM

6. And never has been, as far as I can tell.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:01 PM

8. You don't remember Gore being "stiff and an unapproachable beta male"?

And Bush being “a guy you want to have a beer with”?

Or Kerry was “too stiff and wooden”?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:51 PM

17. You then fail to see the relevant distinctions

Maybe not fail, as much as simply refuse.

Either case, the result is the same.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:12 PM

19. Then educate us, please.

What are the "relevant distinctions" from when it happened to Gore and when it happened to Clinton?

Both won the popular vote.
Both lost the electoral college.
Both were Democrats.

Republicans come up with excuses for every candidate. There is no doubt in my mind that Clinton was attacked unfairly because she is a woman. While there was misogyny behind their hatred for Clinton, it's a little difficult to claim the "unlikable candidate" strategy was in any way a new idea.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:02 PM

11. The coded language is "better candidate"

As in:

"We needed a better candidate in 2016"

Biden: "I never thought [Hillary Clinton] was the correct candidate," Barack Obama's vice president said. "I thought I was the correct candidate."

Bernie: But “if it turns out that I am the best candidate to beat Donald Trump, then I will probably run,” Sanders told the magazine.

See?

The reality is that the person who'll do the best job is, in fact, the best candidate.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:05 PM

13. In utopia land. The most qualified don't always get the job.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:07 PM

15. But they're still the best candidate for it. n/t

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:03 PM

12. Yes we have. In different terms, like Romney was weird and robotic.

Jen Bush was too boring, you have to connect with people. We need to win and trying to be PC about it isn’t going to help. We need a candidate that is LIKABLE and authentic. Winning the next election is all I care about. If someone gets hurt feelings from the truth too bad. Trump has got to go end of story.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:11 PM

23. It was used against Al Gore and John Kerry, both of whom are very likable men nt

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 03:57 PM

7. Unfortunately likability is something a male or female

Candidate have to deal with. Romney was a robot, Bush was too boring. This is not something new. Since television has been around the candidates must come across as authentic and likable. This has nothing to do with capabilities, but a lot of people vote by who they like. Everyone gets mad by the observation but it’s true. We need to pick someone authentic and likable if we want to win. Winning is the goal. Nothing is fair and neither is running for President

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Response to Pisces (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:02 PM

9. Yeah, it's as if people forgot how Gore and Kerry were portrayed.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:06 PM

14. Except in Western culture a woman is expected to show her "likeability"

by not contradicting or showing that she is more intelligent than whatever man she is talking to. That's not a test that men are expected to pass in order to be "likeable".

If she doesn't back down, she's a "nasty woman" and if she does she's too weak and unqualified for the job.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:37 PM

20. But it doesn't hurt male candidates as much

A man can be seen as a bully and still get elected.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:01 PM

22. It's true, but what I am saying is that whether you are a male or female the public must like you an

Find you authentic. The most qualified does not necessarily get the job. We are in a dire situation with this megalomaniac and we can not afford to pick a candidate that has a likeablity issues.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:02 PM

10. "Strident" is the other dog whistle.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:08 PM

18. K & R Thanks for this, riversedge. ♡ eom

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:40 PM

21. K&R

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:32 PM

24. Locking.

Please post in GD instead.

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