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Thu Dec 27, 2018, 11:59 AM

Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting

Source: McClatchy

WASHINGTON- A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.

The phone and surveillance data, which have not previously been disclosed, lend new credence to a key part of a former British spy’s dossier of Kremlin intelligence describing purported coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia’s election meddling operation.

The dossier, which Trump has dismissed as “a pile of garbage,” said Cohen and one or more Kremlin officials huddled in or around the Czech capital to plot ways to limit discovery of the close “liaison” between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Read more: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html

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Reply Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting (Original post)
demmiblue Dec 2018 OP
Pachamama Dec 2018 #1
pnwmom Dec 2018 #20
NCjack Dec 2018 #40
BadgerMom Dec 2018 #41
louis c Dec 2018 #2
cstanleytech Dec 2018 #4
louis c Dec 2018 #7
jberryhill Dec 2018 #26
pnwmom Dec 2018 #28
jberryhill Dec 2018 #37
Cosmocat Dec 2018 #45
FightingIrish Dec 2018 #3
ffr Dec 2018 #34
Cracklin Charlie Dec 2018 #5
FreepFryer Dec 2018 #6
salin Dec 2018 #10
FreepFryer Dec 2018 #11
salin Dec 2018 #13
FreepFryer Dec 2018 #14
FarPoint Dec 2018 #15
salin Dec 2018 #17
FreepFryer Dec 2018 #18
PatSeg Dec 2018 #19
UpInArms Dec 2018 #8
PatSeg Dec 2018 #21
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #30
PatSeg Dec 2018 #31
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #32
PatSeg Dec 2018 #44
Botany Dec 2018 #9
pnwmom Dec 2018 #29
Botany Dec 2018 #35
pnwmom Dec 2018 #36
FakeNoose Dec 2018 #12
flibbitygiblets Dec 2018 #16
GetRidOfThem Dec 2018 #22
Pepsidog Dec 2018 #23
gademocrat7 Dec 2018 #24
KPN Dec 2018 #25
pnwmom Dec 2018 #27
salin Dec 2018 #33
BadgerMom Dec 2018 #38
jpak Dec 2018 #39
James48 Dec 2018 #42
SunSeeker Dec 2018 #46
FakeNoose Dec 2018 #49
calimary Dec 2018 #51
Renew Deal Dec 2018 #43
FakeNoose Dec 2018 #50
SunSeeker Dec 2018 #47
herding cats Dec 2018 #48
Perrenial Voter Dec 2018 #52

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:01 PM

1. Drip, drip, drip....

....the facts are slowly showing the whole picture....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:59 PM

20. Sounds like a flood to me!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:31 PM

40. The Steele Dossier is true. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:32 PM

41. Exactly.

It’s never been a drip. The sea of facts have been there since the late 80s, during the campaign and after the election. It’s long past time to call out the media and, frankly, the law enforcement and intelligence communities for not making all of this public some time ago.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:02 PM

2. Why wouldn't Cohen disclose this? It's the smoking gun (NT)

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:06 PM

4. He already might have as part of his plea deal.

We might not have heard about it though if its part of another ongoing investigation involving someone else.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:12 PM

7. If Cohen disclosed this and has proof, he doesn't deserve a day in jail. It ends Trump's presidency

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:17 PM

26. Cohen would not "disclose" that his cell phone was picked up by a tower near Prague

 


Cohen wouldn't even know that.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:26 PM

28. He could have disclosed the meeting itself, however,

and possibly provided some proof.

Maybe he will now, if he hasn't already, in an effort to get a further reduction of his sentence.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:02 PM

37. Yup

 


Although they have probably already presented him with the external evidence that they have.

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Response to louis c (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:04 PM

45. Confirmation

I assume given that he will be horrible witness from a standpoint of being a lifelong scumbag, that in any potential prosecution, that they can't just have him testify to things. They will need provable information that supports any of his claims.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:02 PM

3. Roll the Pee Pee Tape

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Response to FightingIrish (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:45 PM

34. That and exposing Mike Pence's roll in this conspiracy are about all that's left

before this is a wrap!

Hillary should have been resoundingly elected president, if not for 77,001 rubes who fell for the false Clinton Dynasty monikers.

Rubes!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:07 PM

5. Ping!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:11 PM

6. Holy fuckazoley. If this is true, Michael Isikoff is busy today!

He recently stated that he believed the Cohen/Prague allegation was the least substantial of the dossier’s non-prurient allegations.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:27 PM

10. I think you mean substantiated (as in documented)

rather than substantial (as in really important).

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Response to salin (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:29 PM

11. I did mean that, but also meant substantial in terms of how much "Reality" there was to it.

Different than how much “proof” has been produced.

Definition 1b:

substantial adjective
sub·​stan·​tial | səb-ˈstan(t)-shəl
Definition of substantial
1a : consisting of or relating to substance
b : not imaginary or illusory : REAL, TRUE
c : IMPORTANT, ESSENTIAL
2 : ample to satisfy and nourish : FULL
a substantial meal
3a : possessed of means : WELL-TO-DO
b : considerable in quantity : significantly great
earned a substantial wage
4 : firmly constructed : STURDY
a substantial house
5 : being largely but not wholly that which is specified
a substantial lie

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/substantial

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:46 PM

13. I like the news for both words/reasons :)

And the knowledge that Mueller knows far more than we do.

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Response to salin (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:46 PM

14. Indeed. Hopefully we will know everything we need to know, and everything that should be secret...

...will remain so.

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Response to salin (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:52 PM

15. In my opinion....Grammar Nazi behavior...

It's just not necessary here in DU...It's actually a distraction from discussion and can be demeaning..... Shall we just be nice?..I think we have plenty of negativity in our political parties to focus on instead..

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:57 PM

17. Wasn't about grammar

and I rarely do this. I had seen an interview with David Corn regarding his co-author's comments re the Prague visit (and seemingly backing away). His response (Corn's) was about substantiation - so in the context of this story and this comment - I added my attempt at clarification.

Note that with the response (to my comment) - I agreed that both words applied. This was all about content - nothing about Grammar or spelling.

Oh, and is this tutting tutting any different than the behavior being tut-tutted?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:57 PM

18. In this case my grammar was impeccable so I'm fine w it. Come at me bro! :)

But thanks for saying.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:58 PM

19. I agree

It is such an unnecessary distraction and can inhibit a really good discussion.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:18 PM

8. A smocking gun?

Not a lot of wiggle room on this ...

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:00 PM

21. I remember Lanny Davis

emphatically denying that Cohen was in Prague. So I wonder if Cohen lied to his own lawyer or did his lawyer lie to the public?

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:34 PM

30. Any lawyer will tell you that it's not unusual for clients to lie to them.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:39 PM

31. True

At the time, we were told that Cohen was spilling the beans on Trump, so I am surprised that he didn't fess up about the supposed trip to Prague.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:40 PM

32. Maybe the Prague trip was a bean he wasn't quite ready to spill

because it involved Russians.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:52 PM

44. Yeah

With Cohen, it is hard to know what to believe. I'm glad he is testifying against Trump, but I don't really trust him.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:19 PM

9. And no doubt with Prague being a modern city surveillance cameras must be all over the place too

and I'm sure Mr. Mueller knows all about this.

BTW I have read on the internet* that Jared and Ivanka were there too.

So if Cohen met and paid off hackers along with Kremlin officials in the late
Summer of 2016 at the behest of Donald Trump will that be enough to make
Trump backers give up on him?

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:28 PM

29. Yes, maybe Cohen met and paid off hackers, using the $50K that the indictment

said the Trump Trust reimbursed him for, for "tech services."

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:47 PM

35. And the Trump Trust is either campaign funds or Russia money that Cohen "washed through" Trump

properties and then into the Trump Trust which like the Trump foundation was just a slush fund for
the Trumps.

Do you ever stop to think this very well might be the biggest criminal operation in the history of the world?

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:55 PM

36. It might be the biggest one to ever get publicly exposed.

Let's hope that it does get exposed.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:37 PM

12. Maybe this was one of his burner phones

Remember when the feds raided Cohen's apartment and office last year? They got all his archives of documents, his computers and something like 20 burner phones that he (for some reason) never destroyed!

We had several threads on DU speculating about the burners too. It all makes sense!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:52 PM

16. Why keep burners?

I'd like to think "because he's stupid" but he also recorded everything. What could be his reasoning?

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:01 PM

22. You already got it...

...because he is not the brightest apple on the tree...

Just imagine, a lawyer cooperating with the prosecution thinking he could get a deal, without negotiating first? No cooperation agreement...

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:13 PM

23. I would think Cohen wouldn't disclose until he absolutely had to. It's a get out of jail free card.

Definitely a Trump card.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:15 PM

24. K&R

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:16 PM

25. Never ceases to amaze me how Steele's dossier

is underhanded, corrupt fiction while Corsi ‘s Unfit for Duty (the swiftboat book) is historical fact for deplorables.

Though it really shouldn’t. These are many of the same people who will one day be raptured.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:25 PM

27. Thank you! This is ALMOST as good as a new indictment today,

which I didn't expect to see happen till after Jan. 3 anyway.

I'm so glad there seems to be confirmation of a KEY Steele dossier allegation.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:42 PM

33. There is something almost delish about this revelation...

more so than some others. I think it is because the second Cohen stood up and waved his passport around claiming he had never been to Prague - the whole GOP latched on to this "evidence" as THE reason to dismiss and discredit the entire dossier. It is starting to feel like there is a little echo of a tick-tock counting down the time before this all blows up (like a massive glitter bomb of truth.)

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:07 PM

38. K & R

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:08 PM

39. All that is left now , is the pee tape

All the other Prophesies of the Dossier have come to pass....

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:40 PM

42. Dossier confirmed

One more nail in his coffin.

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Response to James48 (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:13 PM

46. Not a damn thing in that dossier has been refuted!

Maybe we don't have corroboration for the existence of the pee tape, but that is it.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:58 PM

49. True, but I really don't need to see that

I already know everything else in the dossier is correct. If the pee-pee tape doesn't really exist, so what!



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Response to James48 (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 05:07 PM

51. So far there's nothing in the dossier that hasn't been confirmed.

Everything that’s been examined in it so far has proven to be true.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:47 PM

43. This is really big news

Anything about the Prague trip is really big news because it is the missing link in the dossier.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:05 PM

50. AND it's the connection to Trump's campaign

It really makes me wonder why Cheeto treated Cohen so badly. Cohen can really sink him (and his whole family) with all the evidence he has. Flynn, Manafort and the other guys are just icing on the cake.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:14 PM

47. BABOOM! Calling Mr. Isikoff...

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:29 PM

48. "four people with knowledge of the matter say."

Mueller would already know this, of course. It's interesting for those of us on the outside to have more confirmation of the Steele Dossier.

This journalist who works for both the Atlantic and the Guardian is working on confirmation two additional news sources have this information. If try, it helps validate McClatchy's reporting even further.

Two sources tell me that at least one major news org (perhaps two) have confirmation of the Cohen/Prague trip and are working on reports.

Replying to
@ScottMStedman
This is in addition to McClatchy’s story.



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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 06:01 PM

52. What's more, this is precisely when began using the geographic location feature on his twitter

 

account, which shows him being in Los Angeles. I suspect that this was a deliberate effort to lay a trail of false evidence, demonstrating that a false narrative had been planned out in advance.

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