Tue Jan 10, 2012, 03:21 PM

steaa (87 posts)

Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014

Scotland plans to hold an independence referendum in the autumn of 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond has said.

He said this date would allow the Scottish people to make a "considered" decision on Scotland's future within the United Kingdom.

The news came as the UK government said a referendum would be unconstitutional without its authority.

It has said it wanted to work with the SNP-led administration amid a row over the timing and conditions for a poll.

Story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16478121

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Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 (Original post)	steaa	Jan 2012	OP
Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#1
Exactly	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#2
Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#22
If the case for Independence is so strong.....	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#42
Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#70
I wonder how you would like it....	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#93
I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian.	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#95
Yes We Can	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#3
About your sig line	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#4
Not this American..	whathehell	Jan 2012	#10
they did try	Maine-ah	Jan 2012	#21
Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them	whathehell	Jan 2012	#41
And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt	riderinthestorm	Jan 2012	#26
I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#35
Wha the hell...	Boudica the Lyoness	Jan 2012	#32
Um, no.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#36
You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#47
Not really...The point is, the demographics of California	whathehell	Jan 2012	#49
Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#50
Please...I've already done that!	whathehell	Jan 2012	#52
For various values of "always"	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#54
Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#58
I agree	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#61
........	whathehell	Jan 2012	#72
I said at the outset	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#77
Whatever, Zip. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#78
do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition?	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#86
Nah	zipplewrath	Jan 2012	#96
Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s	LanternWaste	Jan 2012	#63
It depends on your view of "substantial"	whathehell	Jan 2012	#74
Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish	LeftishBrit	Jan 2012	#80
I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#83
A better analogy would be Hawai'i	KamaAina	Jan 2012	#67
No; that's a really bad analogy	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#68
The Scots are the Brits.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#57
Apparently, they don't agree.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#59
Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#60
Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently	whathehell	Jan 2012	#73
and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide	arely staircase	Jan 2012	#87
I wouldn't count on it. n/t	Agent William	Jan 2012	#89
That has nothing to do with what I was posting about.	harmonicon	Jan 2012	#90
Not sure why this is a threat to London	dmallind	Jan 2012	#5
+1	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#7
You are exactly right about the American south...	Glorfindel	Jan 2012	#9
But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous	whathehell	Jan 2012	#12
There was no 'colonization'	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#14
Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians	whathehell	Jan 2012	#15
No, not like the plantation of Ulster	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#20
Okay, great	whathehell	Jan 2012	#34
No problem if they do want independence	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#45
Well, it's an interesting situation.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#46
The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#30
Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered	whathehell	Jan 2012	#39
More like "conquest and co-optation", then.	whathehell	Jan 2012	#51
Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa	dmallind	Jan 2012	#18
Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#29
Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is	whathehell	Jan 2012	#37
Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point?	whathehell	Jan 2012	#38
As a NYer I am about at my wits end	MattBaggins	Jan 2012	#24
Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together.	Fokker Trip	Jan 2012	#65
The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow,	Fool Count	Jan 2012	#23
Just one thing, in reference	whathehell	Jan 2012	#48
Good. nt	bemildred	Jan 2012	#6
Welcome news	Voltaire	Jan 2012	#8
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#56
It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of	jwirr	Jan 2012	#11
Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority	JaneQPublic	Jan 2012	#13
They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of	MADem	Jan 2012	#17
that's because every sperm is sacred..lol	Boudica the Lyoness	Jan 2012	#33
Agreed. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#43
I disagree with you analysis.	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#53
You are free to so do. nt	MADem	Jan 2012	#55
....and that would be even more beneficial financially.	dmallind	Jan 2012	#19
This could get interesting! nt	MADem	Jan 2012	#16
Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#25
One major question...	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#44
Not just the Euro but the EU too	ikri	Jan 2012	#62
And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#75
England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#27
Thanks for the laugh.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#31
If the Scots leave there's never going to be another Labour government.	craigmatic	Jan 2012	#28
The Tories are actually well aware of this...	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#40
FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Sorry I had to say it. nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Jan 2012	#64
You weren't the only one thinking that...	Hugabear	Jan 2012	#66
The irony is that 'Wallace' probably means his family were recent migrants to Scotland	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#71
a dancing ultra man?	Charlemagne	Jan 2012	#69
As a Scot, (may be the only one here) I feel the need to include my input	MichaelMcGuire	Jan 2012	#76
Thanks for your much needed input, Michael. n/t	whathehell	Jan 2012	#79
Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#82
Put simply, because many of them don't like the English	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#91
Assuming this passes and Scotland does become independent	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#81
"A more powerful central government"?	MicaelS	Jan 2012	#84
I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that I think it would be a result	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#85
The EU is dominated by Germany and France	T_i_B	Jan 2012	#92
Indeed, and that's why	DavidDvorkin	Jan 2012	#94
Scotland should have independence.	ozone_man	Jan 2012	#88
Scottish independence: Wales and Northern Ireland make unity plea	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2012	#97
You shall obey your English masters, knaves!!	tabasco	Jan 2012	#98

Response to steaa (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 03:23 PM

dipsydoodle (42,239 posts)

Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014

1. Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition

2. Exactly

22. Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum

42. If the case for Independence is so strong.....

70. Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish

93. I wonder how you would like it....

95. I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian.

3. Yes We Can

4. About your sig line

10. Not this American..

21. they did try

41. Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them

26. And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt

35. I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland.

32. Wha the hell...

36. Um, no.

47. You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion

49. Not really...The point is, the demographics of California

50. Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA

52. Please...I've already done that!

54. For various values of "always"

58. Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact.

61. I agree

72. ........

77. I said at the outset

78. Whatever, Zip. n/t

86. do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition?

96. Nah

63. Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s

74. It depends on your view of "substantial"

80. Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish

83. I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots.

67. A better analogy would be Hawai'i

68. No; that's a really bad analogy

57. The Scots are the Brits.

59. Apparently, they don't agree.

60. Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact.

73. Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently

87. and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide

89. I wouldn't count on it. n/t

90. That has nothing to do with what I was posting about.

5. Not sure why this is a threat to London

7. +1

9. You are exactly right about the American south...

12. But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous

14. There was no 'colonization'

15. Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians

20. No, not like the plantation of Ulster

34. Okay, great

45. No problem if they do want independence

46. Well, it's an interesting situation.

30. The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present.

39. Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered

51. More like "conquest and co-optation", then.

18. Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa

29. Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot.

37. Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is

38. Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point?

24. As a NYer I am about at my wits end

65. Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together.

23. The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow,

48. Just one thing, in reference

6. Good. nt

8. Welcome news

56. Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence?

11. It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of

13. Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority

17. They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of

33. that's because every sperm is sacred..lol

43. Agreed. n/t

53. I disagree with you analysis.

55. You are free to so do. nt

19. ....and that would be even more beneficial financially.

16. This could get interesting! nt

25. Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK

44. One major question...

62. Not just the Euro but the EU too

75. And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks

27. England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland