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Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:26 AM

The Latest: Kevin Hart steps down as Oscars host

Source: AP News

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FILE - In this Dec. 11, 2017 file photo, Kevin Hart arrives at the Los Angeles premiere of "Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle" in Los Angeles. Hart will host the 2019 Academy Awards, fulfilling a lifelong dream for the actor-comedian. Hart announced Tuesday, Dec. 4, 2018, his selection in an Instagram statement and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences followed up with a tweet that welcomed him "to the family." (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP, File)

NEW YORK (AP) ó The Latest on the Academy Awards (all times local):

12:10 a.m.

Kevin Hart says he has stepped down as Oscars host following an outcry over previous anti-gay tweets by the comedian.

Hart posted on Twitter early Friday an apology to the LGBTQ community for his past words.

He said he stepped down so as not to be a distraction on a night that should be celebrated by so many amazing talented artists.

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8:30 p.m.

Kevin Hartís response to criticism over earlier homophobic tweets has further inflamed the backlash to the newly minted Oscar host.

Read more: https://apnews.com/193e84c8b52944a3b9a0f4d4f8769246

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Reply The Latest: Kevin Hart steps down as Oscars host (Original post)
Julian Englis Dec 7 OP
LonePirate Dec 7 #1
Phentex Dec 7 #7
oberliner Dec 7 #24
SomethingNew Dec 8 #31
oberliner Dec 8 #33
mr_lebowski Dec 7 #2
skypilot Dec 7 #23
oberliner Dec 7 #25
SunSeeker Dec 7 #3
obamanut2012 Dec 7 #5
oberliner Dec 7 #26
obamanut2012 Dec 7 #4
dsc Dec 7 #6
oberliner Dec 7 #28
George II Dec 8 #36
oberliner Dec 8 #40
dsc Dec 8 #41
jcgoldie Dec 8 #37
LanternWaste Dec 8 #38
oberliner Dec 8 #39
ananda Dec 7 #8
oberliner Dec 7 #29
George II Dec 8 #35
dembotoz Dec 7 #9
yardwork Dec 7 #11
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 7 #13
yardwork Dec 7 #15
Autumn Dec 7 #18
yardwork Dec 7 #19
Autumn Dec 7 #20
yardwork Dec 7 #22
Autumn Dec 7 #27
melman Dec 9 #46
yardwork Dec 9 #47
dembotoz Dec 8 #34
McCamy Taylor Dec 7 #10
LiberalLovinLug Dec 7 #12
wiley Dec 7 #14
LiberalLovinLug Dec 7 #16
not_the_one Dec 7 #17
smirkymonkey Dec 9 #45
bdjhawk Dec 7 #21
oberliner Dec 7 #30
AlexSFCA Dec 8 #32
oberliner Dec 8 #43
Xolodno Dec 8 #42
christx30 Dec 9 #44
ripcord Dec 9 #48
jmowreader Monday #49

Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:45 AM

1. If his initial response had included some contrition instead of defiance, he could have survived.

However, he didn't do that and now he's frantically trying to save his career and distance himself from this fiasco.

As far as a replacement goes, I can think of no better choice than the duo of openly gay Ian McKellen and honorary gay Patrick Stewart. The two of them play off each other very well and would provide plenty of humor and entertainment. Not only that but they would bring some class and gravitas to the ceremony as they are both accomplished and respected actors who are adored by all generations.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:30 AM

7. I agree...

People do evolve and, like you said, if they'd come out at the start with an apology and a statement explaining how they've changed, people would be more open to believe them. But when this happens only after managers and agents have gotten involved, it becomes harder to believe they truly changed.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:53 PM

24. Ian McKellen: Women partly to blame for sex abuse scandal

British actor Sir Ian McKellen claims women should bear some of the blame for the sexual abuse scandal convulsing the entertainment world, because some trade sex for choice roles.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ian-mckellen-women-partly-to-blame-for-sex-abuse-scandal/news-story/8f0ae0798152cfb73e285d340e8ff01a

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Response to oberliner (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:35 AM

31. Makes sense to me.

The blurb you posted, at least. Person A (Hollywood Exec.) tells Person B (aspiring actress) she will get the lead roll she has sex with him. Person B refuses and does not get the lead roll. Person A makes the same offer to Person C. Person C accepts and gets the lead roll. Person C contributed to the environment in which sex for promotion became common by enabling it and indirectly helped punish Person B for refusing to have sex with Person A.

Of course, this is totally irrelevant in the cases of more one sided and non-consensual sexual harassment that occurred.

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Response to SomethingNew (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 07:31 AM

33. It makes sense that young women could only get roles by offering to sleep with male executives?

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:31 AM

2. Obviously the Academy failed miserably in doing their research ...

Probably the most recent 'PR sting' they remember is regarding their failure to be inclusive of AA's, so they thought 'let's get a very popular, talented AA person to host the show' ... and someone came up with Kevin Hart.

He IS a very popular, and talented, black comedian, no getting around that. He probably looked very good 'on paper' to the old white guys deciding who they'd invite to host.

But they clearly didn't do their due diligence considering what OTHER minority group ... they may be offending with this particular choice.

There's a lot of dichotomies like this when you're liberal ... Black and Hispanic communities tend to be Religious, and in a very general sense ... not always all that accepting of homosexuality. Even 'choice', especially in the case of the largely Catholic Hispanic population is not looked on all that fondly ... yet we seek unity with these groups, hoping to find common cause.

Divisions like this are why our side can be undermined and exploited by the other side. And make no mistake: they KNOW IT and they USE IT.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:39 PM

23. THIS post deserves a thread all its own.

I see it as fodder for ,potentially, lots of important conversatioms.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:55 PM

25. Most comedians have offended some people

Certainly most previous Oscar hosts have.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:49 AM

3. Those Academy dumbshits should have asked Wanda Sykes to host!

I guess they still could...

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:55 AM

5. Or Tiffany Haddish

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:57 PM

26. Haddish: "I still want to work with Bill Cosby; I don't care, I'll drink the juice..."

ďI still want to work with Bill Cosby; I donít care, Iíll drink the juice. Iíll drink the juice. Iíll take a nap. I donít give a damn. [Laughs.] But seriously, I would love for him to play my grandfather in something.Ē

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-ca-black-women-comedy-tiffany-haddish-20170720-htmlstory.html

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:54 AM

4. WAS a huge fan of his, for years, no longer

And, I don't know what "apology" they mean, but what I say was a long double-downing screed basically calling us all sensitive snowflakes.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:12 AM

6. maybe he should have just claimed to have been hacked

provide no evidence of the hack, then call in a panel of close friends to say he is a great guy and brazen it out. That seemed to work for someone else, can't recall who.

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Response to dsc (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:58 PM

28. Is Joy Reid is still sticking with the "My blog was hacked" excuse?

Or have people just moved on?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:18 PM

36. Completely different situations, for one thing Reid isn't hosting a network award show.

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:36 PM

40. But isn't that was the post I responded to was referencing?

If not, what do you think they were talking about?

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 02:03 PM

41. Her conduct is actually worse

She is hosting a journalism show in which her credibility matters. She out and out lied to our faces about what she wrote. On top of that, what she wrote was close to as bad as his tweets. Had Ronan Farrow written about interracial couples what she wrote about gays in regards to children he wouldn't have a job, pulitizer or no pulitzer.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:23 PM

37. ..

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:28 PM

38. No doubt, the importance of you bringing up a false equivalency.

To your own personage, if no one else...

"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:35 PM

39. I thought that's what the post I responded to was referencing

Do you disagree?

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:27 AM

8. My question: how did he ever get chosen in the first place?

???

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Response to ananda (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:58 PM

29. Funny, talented, and star of several popular movies?

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:49 AM

9. Comedians do edgy stuff

Thought Michelle wolf at correspondence dinner was brilliant. Now they will have a historian?
No guts
Do I like gay jokes...no
Did I like them 20 years ago?
I will plead the 5th
Times change

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:14 PM

11. His homophobic tweets were as recent as 2011.

Not only were they homophobic, his jokes involved promises to beat and abuse his son for showing supposedly "gay" behavior. This is unacceptable.

He had a chance to apologize earlier this week. Instead he doubled down. That's not 20 years ago. It's two days ago.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:06 PM

13. Why bring up an entertainers comments from a decade ago?

Why bring it up now?

Maybe he should have claimed he was hacked?

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9923613

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:19 PM

15. All he had to do was apologize.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 03:44 PM

18. Jokes is the key word, he's a comedian. Example, what Joy Reid said was unacceptable

because she's not a comedian. She was serious and she meant the things she said, IMO her claim of being hacked was nonsense.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 04:38 PM

19. Jokes about beating children for "acting gay" are not funny.

Joy's tweets weren't acceptable either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Instead of defending people for making violent, homophobic comments, why not all agree that this behavior is unacceptable. No matter who does it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:18 PM

20. There's a lot of things I don't find funny, others do and I give comedians a lot more

leeway than I do others. Joy Reid was forgiven by most here. I'm not going to get offended over jokes that I don't find funny and I'm not going to demand a pound of flesh from a comedian. Just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder so is a sense of humor.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:38 PM

22. Figures.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:58 PM

27. Yeah it does figure.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 05:26 AM

46. 'Joy's tweets weren't acceptable either'

That's not what you said at the time. You totally gave her a pass on her phony hacking story and non-apology.

you said it was all 'manufactured outrage"


https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9923613


In fact you even tried to claim it showed collusion between Putin and Bernie!

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9920933

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Response to melman (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 08:34 AM

47. Not exactly, and I'm glad that you linked to my earlier posts.

It gives me an opportunity to bring up collusion with the Russian trolls again.

Thanks.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:27 AM

10. We should be talking about why gay Black men face such a mean backlash

from people who ought to know better. That is the context in which these comments were made.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:30 PM

12. Joy Reid also had controversial not gay friendly opinions but was forgiven

Which was a good thing. But that happens so rarely in liberal circles. Usually we lose a lot of good people like Al Franken, for even the most mild forms of un PC behaviour done years earlier.

I don't know how liberal or active as a Democrat Hart is, this is not a political figure, but still, we have to learn to pick our battles. This kind of reaction to a comedians (who's MO is to push boundaries) old tweets even if he apologizes he is stained forever. One result is that many apolitical fans of his, those that we are trying to get out to the polls to actually vote, might have more liberal views and would have voted Democratic, but get turned off by the PC police and the Republican mantra of freedom to express yourself even if it isn't "nice" or "proper" is more appealing.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:17 PM

14. The PC police?

And are you actually saying that Franken resigned because he did something "un-PC", and forced out by liberals?

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Response to wiley (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 02:29 PM

16. Where were you when that happened?

Yes it is very un-PC to mock grabbing a woman by the breasts for a gag photo

even if it was taken over a decade ago

on a comedy tour

with others in the room laughing along

on a fully dressed woman pretending not to notice

on a woman that engaged in similar behavior, perhaps even more egregious as she actually grabbed flesh, and on stage.

a woman that then had a right wing radio show who colluded with Roger Stone.



But if you take just the photo, taken on a comedy tour, that long ago, and transport it into the present day, during the height of the #metoo movement, it is defined as very 'un-PC'. And I don't know how 'liberal' they are, but yes, he was taken down by Democrats who would not even honor his request for a voluntary ethics probe. Democrats that may have seen him as competition in the future because of his popularity and hard work as a Senator.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 03:06 PM

17. i nominate Randy Rainbow

as Oscar host.

If you haven't, check him out on You Tube.

He can sing (and I am sure, dance) and gives great comedy.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 01:11 AM

45. I would love that!

He would be brilliant!

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:14 PM

21. He lost me when he refused to change his baby's diapers

And said that was his wifeís job. You know , aka ďwomanís workĒ. And when it came out that he had cheated on his 8 months pregnant wife.

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Response to bdjhawk (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:00 PM

30. How does he stack up to pasts Oscar hosts on that front?

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 12:42 AM

32. his past statements are so horrific and even as late as 2015

especially in a black community where lgbt acceptance is lower, he contributed to the culture of homophobia. I want to see all his other contracts falling apart as he is becoming toxic and a liability. His selection by the academy was brilliant as it has exposed him to the world; almost like he got played (which he deserves of course).

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:23 PM

43. Were there any previous Oscar hosts in the recent past to whom you objected?

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 10:13 PM

42. Yeah they should get Carlos Mencia to do the Oscars...

...not like he's every did comedy that was offensive.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 12:35 AM

44. Just read a great post about this on a site:

"They fired Kevin Hart from hosting the Oscars for a 10 year old Tweet. Hard to find someone pure enough to give awards to a room full of drug addicts and child molesters."

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 08:49 AM

48. The gay community started the protests against Hart

Considering they were the ones offended their feeling should definitely be taken into account. I honestly don't understand people who are willing to give comedians or anyone a pass on hate speech.

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Response to Julian Englis (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 12:13 AM

49. Screw it...just get Neil Patrick Harris to host the damn thing

People like what he does. Why not?

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