All the presidents at the Bush funeral service together recited this core prayer. Except one.
Source: Washington Post
By Michelle Boorstein December 5 at 10:00 PM
The Apostles' Creed is one of the prayers most core to Christianity. It states in a few lines the basic narrative of Jesuss life, is the statement of faith in one God and is said daily by Christians across the globe.
On Wednesday, one Christian didnt say it. And Twitter noticed.
Video from the funeral of George H.W. Bush showed a front row of presidents at Washington National Cathedral, standing and reciting it along with the program, as the voice of Episcopal Bishop Michael Curry boomed through the speakers to the thousands of mourners. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and their wives glanced up and down from the programs they held in front of them and spoke the prayer, along with everyone else visible in the video. The program, as is typical, calls for the Creed to be said in unison.
President Trump stood, with his hands folded in front of him, waist-high, the program in his left hand, his lips not moving. Melania Trump also did not speak, nor did she hold a program.
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The trump apologists over there are saying that it's no big deal.
Like everything, there are multiple versions/translations. Here's one.
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
The Apostles' Creed is recited at Catholic mass. She should know it by heart. I wonder why she stayed silent too.
A good number of Catholics probably don't know the Apostles Creed by heart because that particular prayer isn't said as often as the Nicene Creed is.
Now, maybe that was just my parish . . .
sing, in gregorian chant style, the first couple of phrases. Boy am I old.
...Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium, Et in unum Dominum Iesum Christum
I remember catechism lessons that went on forever. Nuns trying to teach Latin to a bunch of squiggling, impatient little kids. Then, after years of struggling to get it all down, the Mass was put into English after Vatican Council II. My Gran never recovered from that. She insisted on going to a Catholic Church that kept one Mass in Latin for years.
At least as far as I know people don't do that. It's usually the Nicene Creed at Mass and the Apostolic Creed at other services. They wouldn't say both in the same service because yes, that would be redundant.
One came at the beginning, the other in the middle. And we said it in Latin.
it always. You might not know it by name; (I knew it as the Apostles Creed) and even now at age 60 and having attended a non-denominational Church Service for the past 30 years, I knew it immediately while watching Bush's funeral service having recited it weekly for the first half of my life. Maybe the reason Trump doesn't know it is because it's not next to his favorite passage,
attending a Presbyterian church and I never heard that in my life until I visited a catholic church. I though it was Catholic. Although I would probably have faked it in his position. In my position I don't fake religious stuff.
He didn't know the words to the Apostle's Creed, just as he doesn't know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem.
If he can't get paid for doing it, he's not going to memorize ANYTHING. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even know his Social Security Number or his birthday.
I'm fairly sure. I thought some were reading it. Of course, that would mean trump would have to be able to read...
I haven't been to church for 30 years, but I still know the United Methodist version of the Creed by heart. There's little difference between the versions and anyone who has spent any time in a church would likely recognize it.
unless there is mention of HIM in the text, and Melanie was too busy, "being best" to read along. You can actually see Melanie concentrating so hard at "being best" that it looks as if her facelift scars would just burst! Now that's dedication folks.
Melania had her legs crossed not very respectful she could of crossed her ankles together. No class whatsoever.
Melanie is essentially a high-priced call girl. That's what attracted His Orange Assholiness in the first place. He's likes "professional'' women, if ya' get my drift.
... except he and Melania, who stood there stone-faced.
I know the words but probably would have read it too.
I would have remained quiet also
but I probably would have read along
it means "universal".
When there is a capital "C", it refers to the Catholic church.
....in my confirmation class.
Then as a Lutheran it was catholic. Of course one of our members, an older woman, called us JV Catholics in our particular church. She also said we were only late for church if we missed the offering. And if the sermon was too long she let the pastor know. Loved her.
If you get a chance (if you're interested) watch the movie "Mass Appeal" with Jack Lemon. Very good movie with insight into how the priests see the congregation and their jobs.
If you're a Methodist, you know that you're not supposed to drink alcohol. But when I was a kid my father was one of the bazaar organizers. Every year after the annual bazaar was over, the MINISTER would pull out a bottle of wine and they'd celebrate a successful event.
is not capitalized. It means the whole or universal Christian church. Not the Roman Catholic church.
The difference between catholic and Catholic.
Even the Nicene Creed in the Catholic mass refers to the catholic church
Sitting quietly while others recite their preferred ritualistic prayers is not poor behavior. I don't much care for some of the headlines I've seen which insinuate Trump ought to be saying Christian prayers just because he is POTUS and at a POTUS funeral. There is no religious test for elected office, and we should eschew informal applications of that same noxious principle.
BUT....... and it is a big but... Trump claims to be Presbyterian. In general they say this prayer. If he had a particular, explainable reason for refraining (such as it does not comport with his personal religious beliefs), it raises a question about why he claims to be a Presbyterian but refrains from doing things which Presbyterians do. Maybe he was passive-aggressively refusing to participate out of antipathy twoards the Bushes. Maybe he was pouting. Maybe he has dementia so bad he can't remember the prayer. Maybe he never knew it because he is not really Presbyterian (*cough* *cough* this one). Maybe his ego won't allow himself to be seen wearing reading glasses in public. That is what takes this out of the real of ridiculous criticism and puts it into the realm of curious, possibly boorish, behavior.
Where did you learn that he is Presbyterian?
When I tried googling it I got a lot of links about what a loser he was in Pittsburgh.
Presbyterian Minister Screams at Trump's Motorcade
Apparently they have plenty of references to support their statements.
He didn't want to go through the torture of putting those reading glasses on, and it would look bad for him to reach into his suit jacket and get those reading glasses. He couldn't read the prayer and doesn't know it...
..He isn't being mean and evil,..he can't read the prayer, because he can't see the words of the prayer, and didn't want to put on his glasses in front of everyone.. He is a 8 year old who doesn't want to look bad putting his glasses on..(or is it a 6 year old?)
religious right leaders have been posturing as believing it and adopting him as their own in order to piggyback on his power.
I had to look up the Apostles' Creed myself, but it's entirely appropriate to point out this proof of the lying hypocrisy of not just these leaders but millions who also pretend to believe he's one of their own.
this prayer or of this prayer growing up attending a Presbyterian church fairly regularly. I'm going to have to take a pass on bashing him for this one. Dissing somebody for not saying a prayer, no matter how otherwise dissable he is, just doesn't work for me.
I'm not going to criticize someone for not saying a creed. Maybe he couldn't see it; maybe he didn't believe in it. In a situation where you have people in a service who come from a variety of religions, you're going to have some who see and hear things that they don't really agree with. There's nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't have said it, either.
All Trump had to do was read the prayer from the program. Is that correct?..I am not Christian, a totally different religion. I could have read most of it out loud, looked at it, when it came to words I didn't want to say, I could have shut up. At least looked like I was interested. I don't know what was in Trump's mind. What ever is up there, it sure isn't spiritual or religious. One word describes it completely....."evil."
Only Mr. and Mrs. Dumbfuck sat there in stony silence.
say this statement against their will.
choked on their hatred and ignorance.
There were the Obama Cryptomuslims testifying to their faith in the Lord Jesus, while the champion of the Evangelicals and his wife just sat there in stony silence.
He does absolutely nothing thats appears to follow the teachings of Christianity. I'm not sure one must attend church to have a faith but when was the last time there was any footage of the Trumps darkening the door of a church? No religious test is required to be the president unless right wing radio determines one is a Muslim. I'll never understand how the religious right squares their support for him with their faith, and I work with a lot of them who seem like good and faithful believers.
And it irks me that the Washington Post thinks this is news.
Sorry, but this is trivial.
... as anyone who actually believes he's devout or has spent much time in church, missed him referring to Communion as "a little cracker and a little wine" and saying the title of a certain Bible book wrong.
But the hypocrisy of more such demonstrations after attacking Obama as being a closet Muslim (which shouldn't have mattered anyway, we're not supposed to have a religious test for public office, etc), and the fact too many people who voted for Trump claim to have done it because they, at least, are Christian....
That's not precisely trivial. It's sad as hell.
...but it's not news. He shows all kinds of hypocrisy every day.
An how or whether or not any public servant chooses to worship matters very little (or should matter very little) in the every day lives of the American voters.
The antichrist would not be able to mutter words to God. Oh wait, that's what the wing nuts said for 8 years about Obama, the Muslim! Who recited the prayers AND sang the hymns!
The Nicene Creed is generally said at Mass, but sometimes the Apostle's Creed is said in its place. It also is the first prayer when saying the rosary. If the "so-called" first lady is Catholic, she should know both. And besudes, they had the words in the programs in their hands!!!
Christian, my ass! His God is himself and the only thing he worships is money. PERIOD!! I am surprised the roof of the cathedral didn't cave in!
as a human and an American citizen, I am disgusted by that piece of shit.
A funeral service is not about oneself (although tRump could never comprehend that). It is about the deceased and their family. I see no problem in following along, as best one can, with the service. I don't see a problem with him not saying anything either.
I do think it is hypocritical of him to claim to be religious when he clearly is not.
The Apostle's Creed is a simplified version of the Nicene Creed (slight differences, but they don't contradict each other). It's an affirmation of what it means to be an orthodox Christian, and what Christians are expected to believe.
I go further and maintain that one can not call oneself a Christian if one does not accept it in its entirety as faith, despite what a lot of self-proclaimed evangelicals claim, and that's why I don't think Mormons are Christians, but that's a whole other discussion.
The problem is with his lying and pretending to be religious and the idiots who cant see through the fact that hes very obviously lying about it.
The actual dismissal of mythology itself is a point in his favor. He should own it.
years when I was a child. I will not recite them now for any reason.