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Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:38 AM

Thousand Oaks Shooter Mocked 'Hopes and Prayers' in Pre-Shooting Facebook Post

Source: Mediate


by Caleb Ecarma | Nov 9th, 2018, 10:22 am

The shooter who took the lives of 12 people in Thousand Oaks, California bar posted a Facebook post mocking those who call for “hopes and prayers” after a shooting, according to CNN.

The now-deceased gunman, Ian David Long, 28, was a Marine who compared America’s response to mass shootings to insanity.

“I hope people call me insane.. Wouldn’t that just be a big bowl of irony,” Long wrote around the time he carried out the mass shooting. “Yeah.. I’m insane. But the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’ or ‘keep you in my thoughts’ … every time… And you wonder why these keep happening.”

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After reading the shooter’s message on-air, CNN correspondent Nick Walsh noted that “there are also the possibilities of mental illness here.”

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Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/thousand-oaks-shooter-mocked-hopes-and-prayers-in-pre-shooting-facebook-post/



video at link, above

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Reply Thousand Oaks Shooter Mocked 'Hopes and Prayers' in Pre-Shooting Facebook Post (Original post)
DonViejo Friday OP
dawg day Friday #1
DonViejo Friday #3
H2O Man Friday #12
DonViejo Friday #15
H2O Man Friday #17
KY_EnviroGuy Friday #18
hlthe2b Friday #2
LanternWaste Friday #4
hlthe2b Friday #5
iluvtennis Friday #9
fifthoffive Friday #6
Power 2 the People Friday #7
IronLionZion Friday #13
littlemissmartypants Friday #19
robbob Friday #22
AllyCat Friday #8
C Moon Friday #14
raccoon Friday #16
AllyCat Friday #24
IronLionZion Friday #10
KY_EnviroGuy Friday #21
IronLionZion Friday #23
Aristus Friday #11
raccoon Friday #25
littlemissmartypants Friday #20

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:40 AM

1. No trial will happen-- he's dead-

But if we need evidence of premeditation... he says he's 'insane', but that's not mental illness in the sense of being disordered or delusional. He was mean, definitely, and filled with hate, but he certainly knew what he was doing if he was already mocking the responses he expected to get.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:45 AM

3. Who said there would be a trial?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:26 PM

12. I suspect that

the response was in reaction to those who are saying the murderer was "insane," and a sufferer of PTSD. Too often, white male mass murderers are deemed "insane," versus non-whites who are viewed as "terrorists." He was a terrorist. His chilling post shows that he definitely knew that what he was about to do was wrong, which is the threshold for a not-guilty-due-to-insanity defense. More, it has been shown that he had explosive violent outbursts well before his time in the military.

Thank you for the OP, which I am recommending. It is as important as it is disturbing.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:56 PM

15. Check this out...



Thousand Oaks shooter sexually assaulted track coach in high school — and she claims she was asked to keep it quiet

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/thousand-oaks-shooter-sexually-assaulted-track-coach-high-school-claims-asked-keep-quiet/

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:09 PM

17. Right.

Think about that! If the school had taken the appropriate action then, he would not have gotten into the military. He wouldn't have learned tactics for entering a "dangerous" building, the very tactics he applied when going on his homicidal attack on innocent human beings.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:53 PM

18. A little closer to the event links on that story, DV...

Maybe you can use these in one of your OPs:

CBS-LA (with video):

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ian-david-long-suspect-thousand-oaks-california-mass-shooting-former-high-school-track-coach-says-bar-shooting-suspect-groped-assaulted-her/

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And although she never would have predicted this, Colell says she doesn’t believe this is just a case of PTSD. She says Long had issues long before he was ever a Marine.

“There are hundreds of thousands of people with PTSD,” said Colell. “They don’t go around shooting people. This kid was mentally disturbed in high school. There were signs and the administration knew it.”


From 'Frisco, also see:
https://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Thousand-Oaks-shooter-s-former-coach-said-he-13378200.php

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:43 AM

2. Hopes & Prayers and the definition of insanity...

Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Even a horrific mass killer can "have a point" it would seem.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:19 AM

4. Never realized Louis Armstrong was insane simply because he practiced eleven hours a day.

And expected it to help him play better.

"doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:20 AM

5. Oh, brother...



I would hope you are not so obtuse as to not realize the quote was in reference to problem-solving.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:10 PM

9. + agree

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:41 AM

6. Jeez

If you practice 11 hours a day without correcting any of the mistakes you make, you just get better at repeating the same mistakes.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:49 AM

7. I'm sure Satchmo didn't practice the same song 11 hours a day.

He probably practiced until he got the "different results" he was looking for and then moved on to the next technique or song. Always striving for perfection.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:40 PM

13. Practice does not mean doing the same thing over and over

it means improving and learning each time to achieve better results through experience

that's not the case with "thoughts and prayers".

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:59 PM

19. When you play jazz there are no mistakes.

Just a lot of jazzy notes all mixed up together. Over and over and over and over.

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:32 PM

22. Yeah, I had a piano teacher who said there are no wrong notes in jazz...

...but don’t expect to get a lot of calls...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:56 AM

8. Another guy sane enough to buy a gun, but had he lived,

would claim to get out of it by reason of insanity. Great.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:44 PM

14. +1

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:58 PM

16. I wish he had lived, to have a long life in prison. nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:13 PM

24. That is the thing. He would have been found

Mentally incompetent to stand trial and ended up in a state hospital where he likely didn’t belong. Or if he did, he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:14 PM

10. He was cleared by a mental health professional as sane

the only reason people are claiming he's insane is because he's white. And white people can't be terrorists.

America as a nation refuses to accept that sane white people are murdering our people, not some caravan of impoverished migrants 1000 miles away from our border. Even though Americans have gotten numb and weary of near daily mass shootings in our country, we still refuse to acknowledge the normalcy of white terror. So it is excused away as a mental illness, and nothing is done about guns, over and over and over and over again.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:04 PM

21. Something in this story stinks to high heaven...

Thousand Oaks Shooter ID’d as 28-Year-Old Former Military Machine Gunner Who Had Been Evaluated by Mental Health Specialists
November 8, 2018, by Steve Kuzj and Associated Press, Updated November 9, 2018

See: https://ktla.com/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-mass-gunman-idd-as-29-year-old-who-used-smoke-45-caliber-handgun/

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Deputies found Long "was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally" and called in a mental health specialist, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said. That specialist assessed Long but concluded he couldn't be involuntarily committed for psychiatric observation.

"The mental health experts out there cleared him that day," Dean told reporters Thursday, though they were concerned he might be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder because of his military service.

"Obviously he had something going on in his head that would cause him to do something like this," Dean said.

Never heard of a mental health evaluation done on the spot and in just one day.

Some shit's gonna hit the fan over this one, and even more especially since a high school sports coach claims he tried to sexually assault her and no action was taken...... ......

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:48 PM

23. What about the thousands of mental health patients who don't have guns?

You don't hear about those people committing mass shootings. oh wait...

Whatever it was about this guy, he should not have been allowed to have guns.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:20 PM

11. Yeah, that poor guy and his poor PTSD...



PTSD does not equal evil.

The dude was evil. Pure and simple.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:20 PM

25. Dah winner! Nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:01 PM

20. Kicking. eom

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