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Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:16 PM

Sinema over McSally - Breaking!

Source: 12 News Phoenix/Az Central

Sinema / McSally




5pm update

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/08/arizona-u-s-senate-race-martha-mcsally-kyrsten-sinema-updated-ballot-results/1931573002/

Suspense and uncertainty now hang over the U.S. Senate race, where Democrat Kyrsten Sinema and Republican candidate Martha McSally are locked in a race separated by just 2,106 votes, according to updated election results.

The updated results, updated at 5 p.m. Thursday, was the first time since election night that the results were substantively updated.

Sinema was leading. She had 914,243 votes, representing 48.91 percent of the total reported votes while McSally had 912,137 votes, or 48.80 percent. Green Party candidate Angela Green earned 42,88

At mid-day Thursday, McSally stood at 856,848 votes, or 49.37 percent, while Sinema had 839,775 or 48.39 percent. Green Party candidate Angela Green earned 38,978 votes, representing 2.25 percent of the votes posted so far.

Read more: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/11/08/arizona-u-s-senate-race-martha-mcsally-kyrsten-sinema-updated-ballot-results/1931573002/

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Reply Sinema over McSally - Breaking! (Original post)
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 8 OP
libdem4life Nov 8 #1
BeneathTheMire Nov 8 #4
karynnj Nov 8 #2
FormerOstrich Nov 8 #3
karynnj Nov 8 #6
kag Nov 8 #15
karynnj Nov 8 #17
dbackjon Nov 8 #12
Yavin4 Nov 8 #5
BigOleDummy Nov 8 #9
LisaL Nov 8 #10
Adrahil Nov 8 #11
LisaM Nov 8 #18
LisaL Nov 8 #20
LisaM Nov 8 #21
louis c Nov 8 #26
BlueIdaho Nov 8 #7
susanna Nov 9 #33
BlueIdaho Nov 9 #34
susanna Nov 9 #39
muriel_volestrangler Nov 8 #8
Adrahil Nov 8 #13
sandensea Nov 8 #14
PatrickforO Nov 8 #16
sandensea Nov 8 #19
still_one Nov 8 #22
sandensea Nov 9 #37
question everything Nov 8 #23
NewJeffCT Nov 8 #25
grantcart Nov 8 #28
George II Nov 8 #24
ginny skinny Nov 8 #27
sweetloukillbot Nov 8 #29
JudyM Nov 8 #30
Julian Englis Nov 9 #31
True_Blue Nov 9 #32
BruceWane Nov 9 #35
True_Blue Nov 9 #36
BruceWane Nov 9 #38

Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:18 PM

1. Great news. Let's get Abrams and Gillum for a trifecta !!! n/t

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:26 PM

4. And Nelson!!! N/t

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:20 PM

2. Fantastic -- I hope that she continues to be ahead (even further ahead!) nt

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:26 PM

3. YES YES YES

The GOP is suing all the AZ Recorders to suppress the vote. It is going to be a bit before the final tally but for now


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to FormerOstrich (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:40 PM

6. With the dumbest argument I ever heard

They are suing the counties who try to call mail in voters whose signature does not match the record and accept if the person says they sent it. Some counties had that rule for years - others changed to it this year. They are arguing that it is unfair because some counties do not do this. So they are arguing it is not consistent - ignoring that if consistency was what they want -- expand in favor of accepting everywhere if verified by phone.

It sure is not consistent that Democrats in inner cities routinely have to wait hours while people in the suburbs waltz in and are out in minutes.

What it means is they KNOW they are losing! This is great for us.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:59 PM

15. In 2000 the SCOTUS affirmed the dumbest argument I ever heard.

I hate to be a downer, but never underestimate the stupidity of our justice system.

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Response to kag (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:07 PM

17. Yep, and the argument was essentially the same dumb argument

that recounting a few counties only was unfair -- but they should have recounted ALL of them -- leading to President Gore.

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Response to FormerOstrich (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:57 PM

12. Judge already slapped them down

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:33 PM

5. "Green Party candidate Angela Green earned 38,978 votes"

This is getting fucking old. Real old.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:46 PM

9. I totally agree .....

and was thinking the same thing. The Green Party vote stuck out like a sore thumb as I was reading. I mean WTF people?!? WE just plain DO NOT have the luxury of voting 3rd party in these times. A vote for any other party is a vote for our draft evader in chief.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:54 PM

10. Exactly.

Right now the difference between the Republican and Democrat is 2,000 votes.
Those 40,000 votes should would have come handy.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:55 PM

11. Yeah... it sure is. NT

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:10 PM

18. IIRC, she withdrew and threw her support to Sinema.

Which may have ultimately made a difference.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:22 PM

20. Wasn't it after early voting was already going on?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:27 PM

21. Yes, it could have happened sooner

Better late than never.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:03 PM

26. The Green Party has done more to hurt America than any other group except Republicans

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:41 PM

7. "Let's fucking do this!" nt.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 03:14 AM

33. Damn, thought I was the only one who

remembered that from the ACA repeal vote.

McSally is an arrogant ass.

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Response to susanna (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:48 AM

34. Never forget the hipocracy of the woman.

Pretending to support pre-existing conditions coverage after that shit came out of her mouth.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:21 PM

39. Yep.

She is a straight up liar.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:42 PM

8. Live updates here:

https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/4/0

Each main candidate has added a bit over 2,000 votes since the screen shot in the OP.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:57 PM

13. AS of 7:57Pm ET, Simena up by nearly 9,000 votes!

Count them all!

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:58 PM

14. That only leaves our good friend Sen. Nelson

Here's hoping for both these fine people.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:06 PM

16. Did you notice the Green Party candidate pulled over 43K votes.

Sinema would have won handily had their not been a Green in the race.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:19 PM

19. I keep telling my Green Party friends over the years: You already have a green party

Democrats.

We agree on almost everything - with the difference that Democrats sometimes have the power to actually get parts of the green agenda actually enacted.

"Well," they invariably respond. "Democrats take fossil fuel money."

"Far be it from them to refuse a fool's money. But they don't carry water for them," I've reminded them. "Makes it all the more noble, doesn't it?"

That's how it usually goes. Sometimes it works; sometimes not.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:08 PM

22. The bottom line is they can work with the Democrats, with the republicans it is hopeless. If they

cannot see that, and maintain its either all or nothing, then nothing will persuade them

As far as I am concerned they are a lost cause, and we should consider them a hostile challenger, and not an ally.

If they really wanted their changes to be implemented they would run as Democrats within the Democratic party. There are examples of people who have a green party agenda who run as Democrats, and have won as Democrats.


That Green Party candidates choose not to speaks volumes.


In this Arizona case it appears that the Green Party candidate came around to realize this, and I applaud her for that, and endorsing the Democratic candidate. I suspect though not all her supporters have the same mindset
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Response to still_one (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:41 AM

37. Well said.

Rethugs count on Green Party voters to act as spoilers - so they can then squelch anything and everything on the environmentalist wish list (and with relish).

Many now realize that; some, sadly, don't.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:22 PM

23. Is this the final count?

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Response to question everything (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:03 PM

25. I think there are still more outstanding

not sure how many, though.

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Response to question everything (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:14 PM

28. 400k - 500k more

But Sinema is taking 58% of the "late early mail in" vote.

Next update 5 tomorrow

McSally would have to win 55% of the vote and the pool grows smaller each day and her percentage would have to increase each day.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:02 PM

24. Her lead is now up to 9600.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:09 PM

27. Fingers crossed!

Hoping.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:30 PM

29. Arizona has VERY restrictive recount laws as well

Has to be within .1% - Sinema is outside that margin right now.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:43 PM

30. Now Sinema 49.1 McSally 48.6.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:50 AM

32. It's about time AZ had a Democratic Senator!

I'm in AZ so this is huge for me. The two races here that I cared most about was Greg Stanton for Congress and Sinema for Flake's Seat. Greg Stanton won handily with 60% of the vote. If Simema wins, I'll be over the moon.

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Response to ProudProgressiveNow (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:12 AM

35. Dear Green Party,

Dear Green Party,

I really do understand that you want what's best for our planet and all it's inhabitants, but will you PLEASE get it through your THICK SKULLS that by diverting votes away from your allies who are in a better position to actually WIN, you are effectively SEALING THE FATE OF OUR PLANET TO DIE IN A GLOBALLY WARMED TOXIC POLLUTION SOUP. Your "100% environmentalist utopia or bust" attitude is beyond juvenile, and it's literally past it's expiration date in that it's literally pushing the planet past it's point-of-no-return date.

Thank you for your consideration,
Humanity

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Response to BruceWane (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:30 AM

36. The Green Party candidate dropped out

And endorsed Sinema. She was polling at around 6%. I'm fairly confident that Simema will win with the majority of ballots left being from Maricopa County. She has nowhere to go but up now.

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Response to True_Blue (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:22 PM

38. Residual effect

Didn't drop out soon enough to get the name off the ballot. Still drawing ~2% of the vote, and it would sure be nice to see even half that over in the Sinema column.

Woulda been nice to see half the Green vote over in the Clinton column, too, ya know.

My point is that we're at a defining point in history where our actual continued existence as a species is essentially on the ballot, every election. To build the kind of political strength that is needed to affect the changes we need to address the challenges we face, we need to win multiple elections, in a row, at all levels. Our situation is dire, and the Green party needs to realize that by continuing as a separate entity on nearly every ballot, they are doing more to ensure that their concerns will be ignored in government than they are to affect actual change.

To put it bluntly, if there ain't no human species, there ain't no Green party. So let's get our continued existence secured first, and we'll get back to entertaining marginal vanity political parties very shortly after, I can assure you.

Wanna save the planet? OK then - let's look at what we strategically need to do to save the planet and do that.

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