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Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:39 AM

Tony Blair should face trial over Iraq war, says Desmond Tutu

Source: Guardian

Archbishop Desmond Tutu has called for Tony Blair and George Bush to be hauled before the international criminal court in The Hague and delivered a damning critique of the physical and moral devastation caused by the Iraq war.

Tutu, a Nobel peace prizewinner and hero of the anti-apartheid movement, accuses the former British and US leaders of lying about weapons of mass destruction and says the invasion left the world more destabilised and divided "than any other conflict in history".

Writing in the Observer, Tutu also suggests the controversial US and UK-led action to oust Saddam Hussein in 2003 created the backdrop for the civil war in Syria and a possible wider Middle East conflict involving Iran.

"The then leaders of the United States and Great Britain," Tutu argues, "fabricated the grounds to behave like playground bullies and drive us further apart. They have driven us to the edge of a precipice where we now stand with the spectre of Syria and Iran before us."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/02/tony-blair-iraq-war-desmond-tutu

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Reply Tony Blair should face trial over Iraq war, says Desmond Tutu (Original post)
dipsydoodle Sep 2012 OP
99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #1
Liberalynn Sep 2012 #8
bupkus Sep 2012 #10
Baby Bear Sep 2012 #12
on point Sep 2012 #19
xchrom Sep 2012 #2
Chemisse Sep 2012 #3
maindawg Sep 2012 #4
madrchsod Sep 2012 #5
FraDon Sep 2012 #6
leveymg Sep 2012 #7
bemildred Sep 2012 #9
pampango Sep 2012 #11
totodeinhere Sep 2012 #13
pampango Sep 2012 #22
chknltl Sep 2012 #14
pscot Sep 2012 #15
CountAllVotes Sep 2012 #16
24601 Sep 2012 #17
hedgehog Sep 2012 #18
Left Coast2020 Sep 2012 #20
Dont call me Shirley Sep 2012 #21
Marymarg Sep 2012 #23
dflprincess Sep 2012 #24
just1voice Sep 2012 #25
olddad56 Sep 2012 #26
burrowowl Sep 2012 #27

Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:46 AM

1. What's good for Tony, must be twice-over as good for George W. Bush

 

Just sayin' ... I want Bush's prison term to be Lo-o-o-o-o-nger than Blair's.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:31 AM

8. This

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:59 AM

12. Tony Blair was Worse Than Bush

He was smart enough to know better.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:49 PM

19. 1000x (And this one is all on Obama. The split congress can't be blamed!)

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:21 AM

2. Thank you, Rev. Tutu

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 06:43 AM

3. "Playground bullies"

That describes Bush to a T, complete with the boasting and taunting. This will surely be one of the saddest and most shameful chapters of US history.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 07:42 AM

4. good timing

 

we must remind the electorate who is trying to regain power. I hope we hear more voices like Arch Bishop Tutu calling for justice. The repugs are hiding W , we must shine a light on the rathole he hides in. We must keep the terrorists under the glare of the light of day.
Americans hate terrorists, they are just not aware whom the terrorists are. We must work to expose them.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 08:10 AM

5. global warfare is good for business...

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 08:53 AM

6. a Peace Prize winner

behaving like one; thank you, Sir!

Back in May I wrote a haiku based on acerbic comments by David Bromwich, in a HuffPo article:


foreign policy ~ our peace-prize war-president ~ having it both ways

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:30 AM

7. They should reopen Spandau Prison and enlarge it to jail the co-conspirators.


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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:35 AM

9. Quite right, at some point we have to start holding politicians accountable

for that sort of shit.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:56 AM

11. As long as bush stays in the US he is safe since we never signed on to the World Court.

Don't want to lose any of our good ol' national sovereignty, you know. Can't have foreigners prosecuting our American criminals. Got to admit that republicans were smart to keep us out of the Court since it is largely them that would be subject to its prosecution.

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Response to pampango (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:10 AM

13. Well since he left office he has traveled abroad on several occasions and nothing happened. n/t

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:58 PM

22. That is true, but he decided not to travel to Spain recently. Word is that the Spanish government

spread word that he might be detained. It's hard to imagine any country actually doing that, but international law gives them the right.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:21 AM

14. Fully agree, to include his cohorts within the Bush Afministration.

I would add the war crimes perpetrated by our Government under the Bush Administration to the investigation. Afghanistan held a Tribunal in Tokyo back in '04 looking into the war crime of using a WMD on its soil:

http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DU/ICTforAatT.html

The question I keep asking myself: a "At what point do the the sins of our government become the sins of our citizenry?" We ARE supposed to be a 'democracy'. Having the biggest military force this planet has ever witnessed should not give us a pass, imho it means We The People need to have a much larger handle on the controls of our government. Sadly, we may be witnessing our loss of that control.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:43 AM

15. Morality?

What a quaint, old-fashioned notion. Morality is determined by executive order. Water-boarding? Drone strikes against civilians? Amnesty for banksters and long jail terms for pot smokers? Millions of American kids homeless and hungry? Fuck morality. We have kicked ourselves free of the earth.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:07 PM

16. K&R

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 12:15 PM

17. So how does Tutu feel about drone strikes on people who are on the secret kill list? Just a

domestic matter between the US President and assassinated citizens? Maybe there are different rules for "Peace" prize winners.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:05 PM

18. kick for the survivors!

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 03:57 PM

20. So many have said they will never do the time.

Maybe we can simply keep trying and not give up this injustice or lack thereof. Perhaps the crack newsteam at 60 Minutes could do this as a story and see if stirs the hornets nest. Gawd knows it needs to be stired.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:03 PM

21. International court needs to follow through on Archbishop Tutu's recommendations.

And add to the list cheney, wolfowits, rove, rice, and many more.....

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 09:34 PM

23. Yes, indeed.

Tony Blair should face trial, only if seated on George Bush's lap.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 10:20 PM

24. If you've never seen it, rent the "The Trial of Tony Blair"

It came out during Bush's 2nd term & is a bit dated now (it has Hillary Clinton as the president after Bush), but it is an amusing take on how Blair gets set up to be the only one who takes the fall for Iraq. It's funny, but makes the point very well.

-- SPOILER ALERT - DON'T READ ANYTHING FROM THIS POINT ON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE MOVIE (though even knowing probably wouldn't hurt you enjoyment of it)








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Tony_Blair

[div class = "excerpt"]
The Trial of Tony Blair is a satirical drama, based around the notion that the former British Prime Minister, Tony Blair is to face charges of war crimes by an international tribunal, following his departure from 10 Downing Street. Directed by Simon Cellan Jones, it was first aired on More4 on 15 January 2007 and repeated on 5 March 2007 and during Blair's last week as Prime Minister on 23 June 2007.

The programme is set in 2010 and stars Robert Lindsay as Tony Blair, Phoebe Nicholls as Cherie Blair, Peter Mullan as Gordon Brown and Alexander Armstrong as David Cameron....

...To compound his problems, the International Criminal Court is looking to bring war crimes charges against the UK and US leaders in relation to the Iraq War. Now that Tony Blair is no longer Prime Minister, he no longer has diplomatic immunity from prosecution, and since George Bush cannot be prosecuted due to America's policy of not extraditing former Presidents (which even Hillary Clinton is unwilling to break), Blair would become the main scapegoat of any such trial. Gordon Brown is initially uncertain of what to do, having conflicting feelings on his time as Blair's ally, but his hand is ultimately forced when he is informed that nearly a dozen Labour MPs have threatened to defect to the Liberal Democrats, which would be more than enough to reduce Labour to a minority government and likely lead to them being toppled in a vote of no confidence within a matter of weeks.

The United Nations Security Council votes on the decision to bring Tony Blair to court. Ordinarily, this would not have been an issue as the UK, a permanent member of the UNSC, would have been able to veto the resolution. Unfortunately for Blair, under orders from Gordon Brown's assistant, the British UNSC representative is "in the toilet" when the resolution is voted on. The resolution passes, with all other UNSC members (including the United States, under Hillary Clinton, following the "peace path" voting in favour.

Under the stress of events, Blair suffers a recurrence of heart problems, but everybody (including Gordon Brown who visits him in hospital) believes this is play-acting. The programme ends with Tony Blair being flown to his trial in The Hague.

/div]

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 11:59 PM

25. Rec'd for the very idea of "law" still being tossed around

 

while the proven war criminals walk freely among us.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 12:17 AM

26. all of those fucking pigs belong dead.

They were directly responsible for 100s of 1000s of deaths. For what? I personally think Bush, Cheney and Rove were responsible for 911 also.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 05:14 PM

27. Amen to that!

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