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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:07 AM Sep 2018

Feinstein Says There's More That Senators Don't Know About Kavanaugh

Source: Talking Points Memo/AP



By Associated Press

September 17, 2018 7:01 am

President Donald Trump’s nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court is in turmoil after the woman accusing him of high school-era sexual misconduct told her story publicly for the first time.

Democrats are calling for a delay in a key committee vote set for Thursday. And a Republican on the panel, Arizona’s Jeff Flake, says he’s “not comfortable” voting on the nomination without first hearing from the accuser.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley of Iowa is trying to arrange separate, follow-up calls with Kavanaugh and accuser Christine Blasey Ford before the vote, but just for aides to top members.

The panel’s ranking Democrat, California’s Dianne Feinstein, is rejecting that plan, saying there’s more that senators don’t know.

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Feinstein Says There's More That Senators Don't Know About Kavanaugh (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2018 OP
Well for fuck sake, Feinstein.. out with it.. pangaia Sep 2018 #1
Senator Feinstein is handling this perfectly. DURHAM D Sep 2018 #2
Well, I can express any opinion I wish. pangaia Sep 2018 #3
Funny how people forget that. bitterross Sep 2018 #4
Be careful about having opinions! Next thing you know, you'll be researching and thinking lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #11
does it also surprise you that... getagrip_already Sep 2018 #17
Please do not put words into my mouth. I didn't say I don't like differing opinions. bitterross Sep 2018 #34
I wouldn't be so sure that DU is not followed by elected officials elias7 Sep 2018 #8
I certainly can not argue with that. pangaia Sep 2018 #23
I agree. The drip, drip, drip approach builds tension & ensures maximum attention. Demit Sep 2018 #5
There may be something to that. We've seen how that builds awareness of Trump's Russian treason. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #13
The problem is Republicans could just go ahead & vote before the worst is "dripped" yurbud Sep 2018 #38
Yes. As with Ford's letter to Feinstein, paragraph 2, Fordasked for the disclosure to not be public Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #32
She is? If she let this out before the hearings, they might have withdrawn him yurbud Sep 2018 #37
I'm surprised the AP reporter didn't ask for more information or, at least write that the Senator... DonViejo Sep 2018 #7
I for one, welcome your opinion Perseus Sep 2018 #10
Dragging it out is exactly the right strategy. yardwork Sep 2018 #12
+1 Exactly. n/t FSogol Sep 2018 #24
Never reveal your next move... targetpractice Sep 2018 #14
The Dems are still combing through all the documents that were released FakeNoose Sep 2018 #6
I believe Kavanaugh should absolutely be in a courtroom! lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #16
He's gonna get approved by the Senate SpankMe Sep 2018 #9
It's better to stonewall. Once he's in, he's in. yardwork Sep 2018 #15
'Ruin his credibility'? That sounds a lot like a 'sternly worded letter'. MGKrebs Sep 2018 #18
+1 CrispyQ Sep 2018 #19
Thanks for the info! True_Blue Sep 2018 #21
You saw how Grassley tried to dismiss Ford's accusation last week as "too late." Demit Sep 2018 #20
How do any of these Republicans sleep at night. Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #22
Feinstein is taking a page from the Avenatti playbook. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2018 #25
There should be a public hearing. Renew Deal Sep 2018 #26
Senator Feinstein, please don't be coy. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #27
Grassley always amazes me how unfair he is and how willing ooky Sep 2018 #28
Grassley is 85 years old. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #39
Feinstein is also 85 years old oneshooter Sep 2018 #40
Go back and reread my post. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #43
Can't disagree. ooky Sep 2018 #41
I'd say no later than 75 - 80. Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #44
Goodness Gracious Sake's Alive!! Maxheader Sep 2018 #29
He's being accused of attempted rape, not "sexual misconduct". meadowlander Sep 2018 #30
Kavanaugh should be give a lie detector test disndat Sep 2018 #31
Theres a reason lie detector results are inadmissible in court. They're not reliable or foolproof. 7962 Sep 2018 #33
kick Native Sep 2018 #35
Uh...now would be the time Senator LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #36
The initial info was just a shot across the Republican's bow perhaps? paleotn Sep 2018 #42

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
3. Well, I can express any opinion I wish.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM
Sep 2018

Since she will never read DU, I'm seriously not too worried about giving advice.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
4. Funny how people forget that.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM
Sep 2018

It does surprise me when some one here chastises me for having an opinion.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. Be careful about having opinions! Next thing you know, you'll be researching and thinking
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:26 AM
Sep 2018

all on your own, willy-nilly!

getagrip_already

(14,582 posts)
17. does it also surprise you that...
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:33 AM
Sep 2018

other people might have a different opinion?

Do you not have the right to comment on the fallacies in each others positions?

Or is only your opinion the one that matters?

Hmm, hadn't considered that. I guess I withdraw my differing opinion of you not liking differing opinions.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
34. Please do not put words into my mouth. I didn't say I don't like differing opinions.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 02:50 PM
Sep 2018

Did I say anywhere in my post that people are not entitled to an opinion other than mine. No, I didn't. In fact, I encourage opinions other than mine. I frequently learn a lot from other people who disagree with me.


On edit: In fact, I was actually supporting the person who had the differing opinion against the criticism from the other poster.

elias7

(3,990 posts)
8. I wouldn't be so sure that DU is not followed by elected officials
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

Not that she would take anyone's advice, but as a barometer for current Dem voter thinking...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. There may be something to that. We've seen how that builds awareness of Trump's Russian treason.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:27 AM
Sep 2018

She'll have to compress the timescale in the Kavanaugh case though, to derail the hurtling crazy train.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
32. Yes. As with Ford's letter to Feinstein, paragraph 2, Fordasked for the disclosure to not be public
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 02:33 PM
Sep 2018

until they met. And then it was leaked to reporters.

Many others may be in waiting to see how this pans out...have to be very grave to step forward into the light for the RW propganda monsters to attack.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
7. I'm surprised the AP reporter didn't ask for more information or, at least write that the Senator...
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:46 AM
Sep 2018

wouldn't provide more when asked about it.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
10. I for one, welcome your opinion
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:15 AM
Sep 2018

And my thoughts match yours, if there is more then lets hear of it, don't let it drag until Thursday comes and then it is too late.

Democrats are in the minority so they have to push extra hard to make things happen, the more the public knows the harder it will make it for republicans to push their agenda, although I do understand that they have no principles and they may still try to go ahead with their plans, but nonetheless, bring all that information to the clear, let everyone know what you know.

yardwork

(61,531 posts)
12. Dragging it out is exactly the right strategy.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:27 AM
Sep 2018

Our only hope to stop this confirmation is to drag out the hearings past the midterms. The Republicans are trying to fast track it.

If we show all our cards now, the Republicans will do what they do and brush it all aside. Feinstein's strategy is a drip drip drip, creating new problems for the Republicans day by day.

FakeNoose

(32,532 posts)
6. The Dems are still combing through all the documents that were released
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:29 AM
Sep 2018

... the night before hearings began. It takes time to look into these emails and meeting notes, and they're investigating everything. These are serious matters and once he's appointed - he's on the bench for LIFE!

Most of us have seen enough already, we're dead certain that Kavanaugh should never be on the SCOTUS bench. He doesn't even belong in the same building.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. I believe Kavanaugh should absolutely be in a courtroom!
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:31 AM
Sep 2018

Facing charges of perjury in Senate hearings, larceny of Senate Democratic documents, and of course sexual assault (well, the last one is probably well past Statue of Limitations).

SpankMe

(2,955 posts)
9. He's gonna get approved by the Senate
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018

Republicans really want him in there. There's no stopping it.

I wonder if it's better to stonewall him before he gets in, or if it's better to bring all this out after he gets in and ruin his credibility forever?

yardwork

(61,531 posts)
15. It's better to stonewall. Once he's in, he's in.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:29 AM
Sep 2018

The credibility of a Supreme Court Justice doesn't matter. They're appointed for life and he'll never step down. He'll be on the bench for decades making horrible decisions that affect our lives and the lives of our children and grandchildren. We have to stop his confirmation now.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
18. 'Ruin his credibility'? That sounds a lot like a 'sternly worded letter'.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:36 AM
Sep 2018

Who cares about his credibility once he's there. If he's not qualified he shouldn't get to say the oath.
All hands on deck, all weapons at the ready. Fire away.
Does Clarence Thomas have any credibility? His credibility doesn't change things one bit.

CrispyQ

(36,411 posts)
19. +1
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 11:59 AM
Sep 2018
Who cares about his credibility once he's there. If he's not qualified he shouldn't get to say the oath.
All hands on deck, all weapons at the ready. Fire away.
Does Clarence Thomas have any credibility? His credibility doesn't change things one bit.


I'm calling Collins, Murkowski, Flake & Corker today. I'm going to remind Collins of her harsh statement against Al Franken & her two-facedness if she votes to confirm this horrid nominee. She won't give a rats ass, but I'm still calling.


(202)224-****

Collins (ME) 2523 -->up for reelection in 2020
Corker (TN) 3344
Flake (AZ) 4521
Murkowski (AK) 6665

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
20. You saw how Grassley tried to dismiss Ford's accusation last week as "too late."
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 12:00 PM
Sep 2018

Then she gave an interview to WaPo, which acted like a little bombshell, and the story got traction. Now they are forced to pay attention, and they have to decide how to act. Yes, bringing all this out now is what will produce the biggest effect.

There are a lot of repercussions that will come out of whatever they do. The midterms coming up...whether to jettison Kavanaugh and try with another nominee in the lame duck session...what will the political fallout be, whichever course they follow? Repubs have to game a lot out.

25. Feinstein is taking a page from the Avenatti playbook.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:08 PM
Sep 2018

Tease the upcoming event, then produce it. Then tease the next event, then produce it. The important thing is that you come through each time. It keeps the ball in play as long as possible.

Renew Deal

(81,841 posts)
26. There should be a public hearing.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

Let her tell her story. A call with top aides sounds like a terrible idea.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. Senator Feinstein, please don't be coy.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:17 PM
Sep 2018

Release the information to citizens, we will do something with it. I'm not as confident that our Senators would "share" or take action on the information if she could give it to all of them.

ooky

(8,902 posts)
28. Grassley always amazes me how unfair he is and how willing
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:19 PM
Sep 2018

he is to shovel feed any piece of garbage like Kavanaugh down American citizen's throats as long as it achieves his political means.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
39. Grassley is 85 years old.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:08 PM
Sep 2018

Do you know ANYONE who is 85 that tolerates being told what to do ?

My mother is 85. She thinks she knows everything. She is never wrong. She never apologizes. Tell her that she is incorrect about something and she flies into a rage. She cannot tolerate being told she is mistaken. It can be terrifying. She wasn't like this 10 years ago.

I suspect Grassley is just like this. Orrin Hatch, too. These two fossilized old turds should have been put out to pasture long ago.

There should be an age limit on public service. Anyone remember Strom Thurman ? Robert Byrd ? Joe Arpaio ?

There comes a time when elderly people need to take a back seat and enjoy their golden years. By the time they reach 85, most (but not all) are completely out of touch with the majority of Americans, especially the youth in the country. We have seen this time and time again, especially as it relates to sexual abuse. When you cannot relate to over 70% of the country, that should be your first clue that maybe it is time for a younger person to have the opportunity that you are now squandering because you refuse to relinquish the power.

Know when it's time to move along and allow progress to take its rightful place.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
40. Feinstein is also 85 years old
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:36 PM
Sep 2018

"I suspect Grassley is just like this. Orrin Hatch, too. These two fossilized old turds should have been put out to pasture long ago."

Does this mean ALL who are 85 years old need to leave, for greener pastures?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
44. I'd say no later than 75 - 80.
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 12:47 AM
Sep 2018

Besides at that point, it's time to let fresh ideas perculate up to the top. New eyes. New minds, New ideas.

Maxheader

(4,369 posts)
29. Goodness Gracious Sake's Alive!!
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:24 PM
Sep 2018

Doesn't appear the cheetoz selection process is very well
vetted!! Whats next for Brett baby? How about something
from his neighbors about living next to this drunken sailor?

meadowlander

(4,386 posts)
30. He's being accused of attempted rape, not "sexual misconduct".
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

Why is the media playing along with watering down the accusation?

disndat

(1,887 posts)
31. Kavanaugh should be give a lie detector test
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 02:20 PM
Sep 2018

As his accuser volunteered to do. A quick and simple way to end to the story. Nest Case!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
33. Theres a reason lie detector results are inadmissible in court. They're not reliable or foolproof.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 02:48 PM
Sep 2018

What would you say if they both took lie detector tests and BOTH passed? Its happened.

Testimony is a much better way to go IMO.

paleotn

(17,870 posts)
42. The initial info was just a shot across the Republican's bow perhaps?
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 10:47 PM
Sep 2018

I read this as....dump him now or we will really blow his ass up.

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