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Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:51 PM

Tentative deal reached between Manafort and special counsel: Sources

Source: ABC

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has tentatively agreed to a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller that will head off his upcoming trial, sources familiar with the negotiations tell ABC News.

The deal is expected to be announced in court Friday, but it remains unclear whether Manafort has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors or is simply conceding to a guilty plea, which would allow him to avoid the stress and expense of trial, according to three sources with knowledge of the discussions.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tentative-deal-reached-manafort-special-counsel-sources/story?id=57809113

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Reply Tentative deal reached between Manafort and special counsel: Sources (Original post)
Gothmog Sep 13 OP
RandySF Sep 13 #1
chillfactor Sep 13 #2
Gothmog Sep 13 #7
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #33
Mr.Bill Sep 13 #3
nycbos Sep 13 #4
Leghorn21 Sep 13 #5
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #34
Gothmog Sep 13 #6
Gothmog Sep 13 #8
nycbos Sep 13 #18
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #35
Jarqui Sep 13 #9
Glorfindel Sep 13 #12
wishstar Sep 13 #10
bucolic_frolic Sep 13 #11
Gothmog Sep 13 #13
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #36
Honeycombe8 Sep 13 #14
SayItLoud Sep 13 #22
Honeycombe8 Sep 14 #31
Gothmog Sep 13 #15
Owl Sep 13 #23
DeminPennswoods Sep 13 #30
ffr Sep 13 #16
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #37
Auggie Sep 13 #17
Gothmog Sep 13 #19
Auggie Sep 13 #20
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 13 #27
csziggy Sep 13 #29
Julian Englis Sep 13 #21
mn9driver Sep 13 #24
BarbD Sep 13 #25
SayItLoud Sep 13 #28
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 13 #26
Gothmog Sep 14 #32

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:52 PM

1. Mueller keeps racking them up

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:57 PM

2. it had BETTER....

include a cooperative agreement!

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:02 PM

7. The ABC article is silent on this

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:52 AM

33. I hope we get word on any cooperation agreement today!

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:59 PM

3. I think he has run out of money to pay his lawyers.

I'm reluctant to read much more into it than that.

I really don't think he has much to offer Mueller that he doesn't already know. I also think he would not make a very good witness. If I was a juror I would not believe a word he said.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 05:59 PM

4. Excellent.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:01 PM

5. Whassuppp, MANAFORT



Thanks, Gothmog,
standing by for more
info!!

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:53 AM

34. Is that guy in the background a DUer?

If so:

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:01 PM

6. The ABC article does not address whether Manafort has agreed to cooperate with Mueller

So far the version of the ABC article is silent on whether Manafort has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. This was evidently the big sticking point earlier. If there is no agreement to cooperate, then it is clear that Manafort is counting on a pardon

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:05 PM

8. Rep Ted Lieu-MOST SUCCESSFUL WITCH HUNT IN US HISTORY

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:52 PM

18. Does he weigh the same as a duck?

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Response to nycbos (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:55 AM

35. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)



17:03
- Crowd: A witch! A witch! A witch! We found a witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! We have found a witch. May we burn her?
- How do you know she is a witch
- She looks like one.
- Bring her forward.
- I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch !
- But you are dressed as one.
- They dressed me like this. - No, we didn't.
- And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
- Well? - We did do the nose.
- The nose? - And the hat. But she is a witch !
- Did you dress her up like this? - No, no!
- Yes. A bit.
- She has got a wart.
- What makes you think she's a witch?
- She turned me into a newt!
- A newt?
- I got better.
- Burn her anyway!
- Quiet! Quiet!
- There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
- Are there? What are they? Tell us. - Do they hurt?
- Tell me, what do you do with witches?
- Burn them!
- And what do you burn, apart from witches?
- More witches! - Wood!
- So why do witches burn?
- 'Cause they're made of wood? - Good!
- How do we tell if she is made of wood? - Build a bridge out of her.
- But can you not also make bridges out of stone?
- Oh, yeah.
- Does wood sink in water?
- No, it floats. - Throw her into the pond!
- What also floats in water?
- Bread. - Apples.
- Very small rocks. - Cider! Great gravy.
- Cherries. Mud. - Churches.
- Lead. - A duck!
- Exactly.
- So, logically--
- If she weighs the same as a duck...
- she's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!
- A duck! A duck! - Here's a duck.
- We shaIl use my largest scales.
- Burn the witch !
- Remove the supports!
- A witch!
- It's a fair cop.
- Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
- I am Arthur, king of the Britons.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:06 PM

9. Drumpf on Manafort "Such respect for a brave man!" ....




I suspect he might have to be brave man now because he realizes Putin might have him or members of his immediate family killed.

If Manafort has flipped, this scandal could implode on Trump quickly ...

I hope ....

Can you imagine Trump tonight ... Woodwards book sales breaking records, Manafort flips and Trump still hasn't found the anonymous author of the OpEd ... He'll be a raving maniac tonight.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:19 PM

12. "He'll be a raving maniac tonight" - like every other night, but maybe more intense!

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:06 PM

10. This will help Mueller's team have more time to deal with the other criminals in Trump orbit

Sounds good to me

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

11. Good

On to the next stage sooner, and no risk of hung juries to slow things down. Only takes one bozo juror to muddy up the works like last time. I'd say both sides got something here, and the action is in Trump Tower not tax evasion.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:19 PM

13. From my twitter feed

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:56 AM

36. Maybe at 11:00AM we found out whether cooperation is involved?

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:27 PM

14. I'm not optimistic. It could be as simple as pleading guilty to the money offenses. The NY case...

The NY case doesn't involve conspiracy with "Rusher" or obsruction. He'd plead guilty in return for limited or no jail time.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:02 PM

22. NY means he can't be pardoned.

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:36 AM

31. Yes. That's why he'd plead guilty for a deal. nt

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:33 PM

15. Manafort is locking in a pardon

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:13 PM

23. Sure looks that way.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 11:36 PM

30. Why would Manafort agree to a plea then?

He could just go into court and plead guilty. He doesn't have to cut any deal to do that. He just takes his sentence and waits for a pardon that may or may not come. If he's pardoned, he'll have to testify before a federal grand jury and he'll still be subject to state prosecution.

If he cuts a deal including cooperation, he can probably get his jail time reduced and maybe the feds will step in and persuade VA/NY not to prosecute him for crimes committed in their states. Trump can still pardon him regardless.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:35 PM

16. As the chess analogy goes.

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Response to ffr (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:57 AM

37. Check, Mate!

G'day!

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:43 PM

17. He's under protective custody, I hope

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Response to Auggie (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:01 PM

19. Manafort is in jail

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:23 PM

20. Opps -- that's right!

Thanks

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Response to Auggie (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:55 PM

27. He'll go into the Witness Protection Program. His new name will be "Dead Man Walking."

Donny Two Scoops will henceforth refer to him as "Paul the Coward Manafort."

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 10:07 PM

29. No need - he will be in prison the rest of his life.

If someone gets to him in prison, I will not mourn for Manafort. The people he has help put into power have been responsible for many deaths.

Even his daughter said that.

Hacked text messages allegedly sent by Paul Manafort's daughter discuss 'blood money' and killings, and a Ukrainian lawyer wants him to explain
Natasha Bertrand
Mar. 21, 2017, 3:58 PM

<SNIP>

In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."

"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

More: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 07:25 PM

21. I bet Putin's promised him a pardon & exile, maybe not to poison him.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:15 PM

24. My take is that he has agreed to a guilty plea. This is bad news.

Manafort is broke and canít afford his lawyers. By copping a guilty plea he gets out of having to pay them for a trial. He doesnít need to fight the charges...

Because he KNOWS Trump is going to pardon him. Itís as simple as that. It will happen before he checks in to prison.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:18 PM

25. I agree. Trump will pardon him and he'll skate free.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:46 PM

28. Mueller could retry the 11 hung counts from the first trial...and

ManaFART would have to plead guilty to those as well or spend the time and $$$$ defending himself. Mueller could also file charges agains Mrs. ManaFART who no doubt is as crooked as he is. She signed false tax returns, loan documents, etc.

I don't think Mueller is coming out on the short end of the ManaFART stick by any means.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:52 PM

26. Russian assassins are waiting until Friday to see if they have a new assignment.

My guess is that it's only a guilty plea.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:47 AM

32. Manafort plans to plead guilty to second set of charges,

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