Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:18 PM

South African White Farmers' Land to be Seized in Controversial Land Redistribution Claim

Source: Newsweek

The South African government has begun the process of seizing land from owners in cases where the negotiation for compensation has stalled. Two game farms in Limpopo province are being targeted after the government offered the owners one-tenth of the asking price.

The process moved forward after negotiations with the white owners of the properties stalled, according to South Africa's City Press newspaper. Akkerland Boerdery, the company of property owners Johan Steenkamp and Arnold Cloete, demanded 200 million rand ($13.7 million) for the land, but is being offered just 20 million rand ($1.37 million).

Earlier this year, Akkerland Boerdery was sent notice that an inspection of the properties would be held in order to audit their value before being handed over to the state.

Steenkamp told Newsweek that the decision was delivered on very short notice during a long weekend of South African public holidays in March. The notice demanded that the keys to the farm be handed over within seven days, forcing them to seek legal representation and file an urgent application to the courts.

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South African White Farmers' Land to be Seized in Controversial Land Redistribution Claim (Original post)	Calista241	Aug 2018	OP
Wonderful ...	LenaBaby61	Aug 2018	#1
So if your family bought land in S Africa hundreds of years ago..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#12
This is why we should end inheritance	Recursion	Aug 2018	#33
Who better to inherit your property then your children or wife?	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#35
Society.	Recursion	Aug 2018	#38
So fuck your wife, children or parents? The State deserves your property more? Not.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#39
Are you seriously arguing against the inheritance tax here? This is DU.	Recursion	Aug 2018	#40
Thank you! Inherited wealth is one of the biggest social ills of modern civilization	Coventina	Aug 2018	#43
I didn't argue against any tax, you said do away with inheritance, that is not a tax..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#44
There's zero difference	Recursion	Aug 2018	#46
...in your opinion, others mileage may vary.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#49
So when I pass on,	john657	Aug 2018	#42
What benefit is that to society?	Recursion	Aug 2018	#45
Because we worked our ass off to make it successful, with the intent to leave it to my kids to run,	john657	Aug 2018	#47
And, my business supports other businesses who supply my business with materials	john657	Aug 2018	#51
Lucky? I have had plenty of privileges in my life.	GulfCoast66	Aug 2018	#54
So please explain to me why my kids,	john657	Aug 2018	#65
They should have taken sweat equity while they were doing it, then	Recursion	Aug 2018	#75
This isn't about a high inheritance tax,	john657	Aug 2018	#83
They don't deserve the fruits of your labor	Recursion	Aug 2018	#89
We'll just have to agree to disagree,	john657	Aug 2018	#95
Probably because you aren't getting it.	wasupaloopa	Aug 2018	#127
Well actually yeah society does get people's money	Recursion	Aug 2018	#130
You don't get a dead person's money because	wasupaloopa	Aug 2018	#160
By high, you said no inheritance at all	MichMan	Aug 2018	#128
Huh?	john657	Aug 2018	#132
Sorry, I was replying to Recursion	MichMan	Aug 2018	#134
No problem.	john657	Aug 2018	#135
What you described isn't a problem	Drahthaardogs	Aug 2018	#78
I have no problem with that,	john657	Aug 2018	#84
Sting is a good example of what responsible rich people do.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#86
And that's exactly what my wife and I are doing.	john657	Aug 2018	#87
I can't speak for others, but I'm totally OK with that.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#88
And Sting is free to decide for himself how	christx30	Aug 2018	#146
Wow. That's truly sad. I thought as democrats we believed that part of the societal	Coventina	Aug 2018	#149
The question is "how much is enough"?	christx30	Aug 2018	#150
Society hasn't failed you, the rich are hoarding their wealth.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#158
What is "just enough to get by"?	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2018	#151
I'm in this position right now	Yupster	Aug 2018	#156
And part of the reason it is so difficult to get by, is the hoarding done by the rich.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#157
But you don't answer the question	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2018	#161
No estate should be more than $5 million dollars, max, bequeathed to individuals.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#162
If I win the lottery I have to pay taxes. You started the business...taxes need to be paid by the	Demsrule86	Aug 2018	#163
I pay my quarterly taxes religiously,	john657	Aug 2018	#164
Why not?	DBoon	Aug 2018	#101
Not bought, I think the word you are looking for is stolen	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#76
No, it is not.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#97
I rest my case.	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#99
Less stolen and more occupied....	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#103
Now your reaching	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#107
Actually in the 1600's you could either hold on to your land...	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#111
Yes. Old time white land owners killed thousands of indigenous people to protect their land.	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#105
And yet it is still possible to have legally obtained land in S Africa recently..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#109
Why is it gunners are so upset about racists getting $1.5 million	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#112
Most sensible people think Zimbabwe 2.0 is a bad idea.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#113
Seems to be a correlation among those standing up for the white SA landowners	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#114
I am against arbitrary land confiscation anytime anywhere.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#115
Is that so?	PETRUS	Aug 2018	#129
That is so.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#131
It's not that I suspect you of misrepresenting your opinion.	PETRUS	Aug 2018	#159
You should go see a doctor for that torn tendon you suffered reaching for that conclusion.	john657	Aug 2018	#119
No doctor necessary. Gunz and apartheid are highly correlated.	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#126
If you say so. N/T	john657	Aug 2018	#133
I do, and I've said it plenty of times before including to your buddy GGJohn. Sorry to hear of his	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#136
Thank you for that,	john657	Aug 2018	#137
Well, that's good.	Hoyt	Aug 2018	#138
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2018	#116
Personal attacks....the definite sign someone has lost a argument on the internet.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#118
Oops, I guess personal attacks are verboten.	john657	Aug 2018	#121
That one was certainly was, called me some quite nasty things.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#122
Not so much, coming from someone who saw that post before it was removed.	Judi Lynn	Aug 2018	#153
That's nice.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#155
Apparently somebody hasn't been paying attention	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#2
Why would they want to return?	NickB79	Aug 2018	#23
Very much so	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#24
I agree fully.	christx30	Aug 2018	#66
Now they can divide it equitably among the real owners	samir.g	Aug 2018	#3
And who might that be then?	Ron Obvious	Aug 2018	#4
My guess is in an amazing coincidence, the real owners	Yupster	Aug 2018	#6
Seems like a coal mining company wants that land.	Honeycombe8	Aug 2018	#8
Some people don't think beyond the headline. n/m	RhodeIslandOne	Aug 2018	#34
It's a can of worms most don't want to open but it's similar too who are the original owners...	brush	Aug 2018	#14
It sure isn't the Zulus...	dbackjon	Aug 2018	#27
If they do, hopefully they will also provide financing and education to run a succesful farm	FrodosNewPet	Aug 2018	#9
There are already rumbles it will be mined	obamanut2012	Aug 2018	#20
What "real owners"?	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#13
A inaccurate premise forwarded by Holden in 1866	LanternWaste	Aug 2018	#18
Unfortunately nomadic tribes making occasional stops in a area...	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#19
The Bantu were just as much of colonial oppressors as the Dutch	dbackjon	Aug 2018	#29
Careful now.	GulfCoast66	Aug 2018	#55
Yup - but the truth should never be surpressed or ignored if unpleasant	dbackjon	Aug 2018	#90
These are game farms per the OP	NickB79	Aug 2018	#22
Great. Another Zimbabwe.	GulfCoast66	Aug 2018	#5
See post #2 about Zimbabwe.	brush	Aug 2018	#15
And the EU is NO WHERE to be found	Bo	Aug 2018	#7
Holy Crap!	moreland01	Aug 2018	#10
This is NOT a good idea.	Adrahil	Aug 2018	#11
See post number 2. There is an equitable solution.	brush	Aug 2018	#16
I'm not saying you are wrong....	Adrahil	Aug 2018	#17
The response to that plea has been rather negative	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#21
So it is then. The country will have to build itself. Easier to do without white supremacy though.	brush	Aug 2018	#68
Just put yourself in the position of a white Zimbabwean farmer	Yupster	Aug 2018	#67
It's not ideal. I agree. The country will have to build itself up if there are no takers.	brush	Aug 2018	#69
Yeah it's not ideal	Yupster	Aug 2018	#71
OK, you delineated the negatives. How about one huge positive...	brush	Aug 2018	#72
They could have gone for race neutral laws	Yupster	Aug 2018	#73
South Africa had a Mandela. Zimbabwe did not. History can't be turned back.	brush	Aug 2018	#79
surprisingly large number of apologists for colonialism	samir.g	Aug 2018	#25
Yup!	happy feet	Aug 2018	#26
Not surprisingly, someone has no clue of the history of Southern Africa	dbackjon	Aug 2018	#28
You mean like the smashing success of farm seizures in Zimbabwe?	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#30
Give the ZimBabweans time. It'll be a long, hard slog. The Mugabe era is over.	brush	Aug 2018	#70
You've made it	john657	Aug 2018	#32
+10000	BannonsLiver	Aug 2018	#62
Thank you.	john657	Aug 2018	#63
I guess in your mind Zimbabwe has been a shining success	GulfCoast66	Aug 2018	#58
So glad you posted. There are subjects when posted tell you immediately who will attend,	Judi Lynn	Aug 2018	#123
Game farms? Fuck those fucking fucks. Take their land, PLEASE!!!!	Coventina	Aug 2018	#31
Game farms help keep African species numbers healthier then small subsistence farms will.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#36
Sorry, but I'm not going to buy the crap canned hunt profiteers try to sell.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#41
You don't have to buy the truth if you don't want.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#48
Give me a break. These people make their living off of getting trophy hunters' rocks off.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#50
So in your opinion taking a game preserve with thriving wildlife..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#52
WE MUST KILL THE ANIMALS TO SAVE THEM!!!	Coventina	Aug 2018	#53
So fuck habitat? The animals will survive on farms somehow? They will not.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#56
There are MANY organizations working with farmers to ensure that both humans and animals	Coventina	Aug 2018	#57
Turning large game preserves into small farms will be a net loss of habitat for the animals..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#59
Well managed farms are better for the wildlife than being chased, cornered, and massacred to prove a	Coventina	Aug 2018	#61
Not surprisingly farms are fenced in and discourage large herds of animals eating and..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#64
You are seriously comparing carnivores to trophy hunters?!?!?!	Coventina	Aug 2018	#80
If I was a Gazelle..	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#106
You clearly have no idea how predators bring down prey.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#139
No, I have seen it several times on nature documentaries.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#143
You love their propaganda, don't you?	Coventina	Aug 2018	#145
Really?	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#98
Yes, because game farms are the only places in SA where herds of grazing animals live.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#140
I can guarantee you none of them live on working farms.	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#141
I can guarantee that you are wrong.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#144
Show me a farm (not a ranch) with herds of wildebeest and gazelle and Cape Buffalo.,,	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#147
Oh brother, now you want to play the semantics game?	Coventina	Aug 2018	#148
Looks like this, from worse to best outcome: (urban being the worse)	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#60
Trophy hunter propaganda.	Coventina	Aug 2018	#81
"many wildlife organizations are working with farmers to make their farms accommodating.."	EX500rider	Aug 2018	#100
I am not your Google, but I'll give you one example that I support heavily:	Coventina	Aug 2018	#142
Just saw this "conversation." You have something to say, believe me.	Judi Lynn	Aug 2018	#152
was never their land in the first place...	cntrfthrs	Aug 2018	#37
A good point	Yupster	Aug 2018	#74
"no one's land was their's in the first place"	jberryhill	Aug 2018	#82
Neither is yours. Or mine.	Codeine	Aug 2018	#85
News	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#77
People might want to learn a little bit about SA	MosheFeingold	Aug 2018	#91
Thank you for that post.	DavidDvorkin	Aug 2018	#92
Stop Stop Stop	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#96
If you live anywhere in the Americas	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#102
Stop it, stop it, stop it.	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#104
I'm Muscogee. But I live on land that once belonged to the Comanche Nation.	Jake Stern	Aug 2018	#108
yeah yeah yeah	WestIndianArchie	Aug 2018	#110
So you're good	MosheFeingold	Aug 2018	#117
Lolololololol	EllieBC	Aug 2018	#124
Ha	MosheFeingold	Aug 2018	#154
For some reason, you're never supposed to point that out on DU.	DavidDvorkin	Aug 2018	#120
Who do you want to give it too?	dbackjon	Aug 2018	#93
It's one great big shit sandwich	Steerpike	Aug 2018	#94
In five years, or less, the people will be starving.	oneshooter	Aug 2018	#125

Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:34 PM

LenaBaby61 (4,562 posts)

South African White Farmers' Land to be Seized in Controversial Land Redistribution Claim

1. Wonderful ...

12. So if your family bought land in S Africa hundreds of years ago..

33. This is why we should end inheritance

35. Who better to inherit your property then your children or wife?

38. Society.

39. So fuck your wife, children or parents? The State deserves your property more? Not.

40. Are you seriously arguing against the inheritance tax here? This is DU.

43. Thank you! Inherited wealth is one of the biggest social ills of modern civilization

44. I didn't argue against any tax, you said do away with inheritance, that is not a tax..

46. There's zero difference

49. ...in your opinion, others mileage may vary.

42. So when I pass on,

45. What benefit is that to society?

47. Because we worked our ass off to make it successful, with the intent to leave it to my kids to run,

51. And, my business supports other businesses who supply my business with materials

54. Lucky? I have had plenty of privileges in my life.

65. So please explain to me why my kids,

75. They should have taken sweat equity while they were doing it, then

83. This isn't about a high inheritance tax,

89. They don't deserve the fruits of *your* labor

95. We'll just have to agree to disagree,

127. Probably because you aren't getting it.

130. Well actually yeah society does get people's money

160. You don't get a dead person's money because

128. By high, you said no inheritance at all

132. Huh?

134. Sorry, I was replying to Recursion

135. No problem.

78. What you described isn't a problem

84. I have no problem with that,

86. Sting is a good example of what responsible rich people do.

87. And that's exactly what my wife and I are doing.

88. I can't speak for others, but I'm totally OK with that.

146. And Sting is free to decide for himself how

149. Wow. That's truly sad. I thought as democrats we believed that part of the societal

150. The question is "how much is enough"?

158. Society hasn't failed you, the rich are hoarding their wealth.

151. What is "just enough to get by"?

156. I'm in this position right now

157. And part of the reason it is so difficult to get by, is the hoarding done by the rich.

161. But you don't answer the question

162. No estate should be more than $5 million dollars, max, bequeathed to individuals.

163. If I win the lottery I have to pay taxes. You started the business...taxes need to be paid by the

164. I pay my quarterly taxes religiously,

101. Why not?

76. Not bought, I think the word you are looking for is stolen

97. No, it is not.

99. I rest my case.

103. Less stolen and more occupied....

107. Now your reaching

111. Actually in the 1600's you could either hold on to your land...

105. Yes. Old time white land owners killed thousands of indigenous people to protect their land.

109. And yet it is still possible to have legally obtained land in S Africa recently..

112. Why is it gunners are so upset about racists getting $1.5 million

113. Most sensible people think Zimbabwe 2.0 is a bad idea.

114. Seems to be a correlation among those standing up for the white SA landowners

115. I am against arbitrary land confiscation anytime anywhere.

129. Is that so?

131. That is so.

159. It's not that I suspect you of misrepresenting your opinion.

119. You should go see a doctor for that torn tendon you suffered reaching for that conclusion.

126. No doctor necessary. Gunz and apartheid are highly correlated.

133. If you say so. N/T

136. I do, and I've said it plenty of times before including to your buddy GGJohn. Sorry to hear of his

137. Thank you for that,

138. Well, that's good.

118. Personal attacks....the definite sign someone has lost a argument on the internet.

121. Oops, I guess personal attacks are verboten.

122. That one was certainly was, called me some quite nasty things.

153. Not so much, coming from someone who saw that post before it was removed.

155. That's nice.

2. Apparently somebody hasn't been paying attention

23. Why would they want to return?

24. Very much so

66. I agree fully.

3. Now they can divide it equitably among the real owners

4. And who might that be then?

6. My guess is in an amazing coincidence, the real owners

8. Seems like a coal mining company wants that land.

89. They don't deserve the fruits of your labor