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Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:15 AM

Pence outlines plan for new Space Force by 2020

Source: APNews

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence has announced plans for a new, separate U.S. Space Force as sixth military service by 2020

Pence says it’s needed to ensure America’s dominance in space amid heightened competition and threats from China and Russia. He says that while space was once peaceful and uncontested, it is now crowded and adversarial.

President Donald Trump has called for a “separate but equal” space force. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has endorsed plans to reorganize the military’s space warfighting forces and create a new command, but has previously opposed launching an expensive separate new service.

Read more: https://apnews.com/4df1085b19d54e9b864e857012fecbb6/Pence-outlines-plan-for-new-Space-Force-by-2020



And this response by the president:


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Reply Pence outlines plan for new Space Force by 2020 (Original post)
Saviolo Aug 2018 OP
awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #1
MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #29
LanternWaste Aug 2018 #30
MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #31
awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #32
Stuart G Aug 2018 #2
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #15
riversedge Aug 2018 #3
notdarkyet Aug 2018 #5
hibbing Aug 2018 #4
elmac Aug 2018 #6
SpankMe Aug 2018 #7
rurallib Aug 2018 #9
lamp_shade Aug 2018 #8
turbinetree Aug 2018 #10
Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #11
PatSeg Aug 2018 #12
Srkdqltr Aug 2018 #13
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #14
marble falls Aug 2018 #16
CTyankee Aug 2018 #17
JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #23
bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #18
Scurrilous Aug 2018 #19
paleotn Aug 2018 #22
JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #24
paleotn Aug 2018 #37
Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #20
Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #21
Stuart G Aug 2018 #25
lunasun Aug 2018 #45
get the red out Aug 2018 #26
djacq Aug 2018 #27
Delarage Aug 2018 #28
Bayard Aug 2018 #33
jcgoldie Aug 2018 #34
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2018 #35
Hotler Aug 2018 #36
bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #38
ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #39
Saviolo Aug 2018 #40
ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #44
bringthePaine Aug 2018 #41
maxsolomon Aug 2018 #42
bluedigger Aug 2018 #43
Le Gaucher Aug 2018 #46
Saviolo Aug 2018 #47

Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:18 AM

1. Space is "crowded"?

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:49 PM

29. Believe it or not, it is

The orbits that are useful for satellites are very finite and are full of both satellites and junk.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:52 PM

30. Relative to A, it's crowded. Relative to B, it's vast in its emptiness.

Most often, A and B are objective measures.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:57 PM

31. And . . . .

What does that have to do with the fact that key satellites are frequently breaking because they bump into crap?

Note, I am not defending Trump or his new bureaucracy, but the simple fact is, yes, usable space is crowded and yes, bad actors like our buddy Putin have weapon designed to "de-orbit" critical infrastructure satellites.

The problems are real. It just that this solution is stupid.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:00 PM

32. I know about the junk

but these dummies are not talking about a clean up force.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:21 AM

2. Although...it looks real...this one looks ...Onionish to me.....

Do you like that new word I just made up???? onionish...??.......

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:04 PM

15. I think Donald just wanted an excuse to use the phrase "Seperate but equal"

And manage to get away with it.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:22 AM

3. sad that Mattis is going along with this.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:28 AM

5. Is he a scientist? This is the admin that scrubbed the word science from every source it could.

How do you think you will build a space force without technical know how? I know someone who has spent years working on rockfuel that would resign before working for nefarious purposes.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:24 AM

4. Better than spending on stupid healthcare right? n/t

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:28 AM

6. the military industrial complex

that President Eisenhower warned us about has just become bat shit crazy.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:28 AM

7. Yeah - this space force thing is a load of horse shit.

The USAF Space Command is doing a great job at military space, and it works well with the other branches. This "Space Force" farce will just add another bureaucracy to the Pentagon and make it harder to do business between the branches.

Frankly, if I was a new POTUS wanting to invent a new branch of the military that was really necessary to fulfill an urgent need, I'd create a US Cyber Force to cover the amazingly perilous future of cyber war. Believe me - it's the next real frontier of "armed" engagement between nations.

!@$cyber

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:35 AM

9. a new way for the weapons industry to syphon off huge bucks from the gummint

And it will become yet another giant black hole that will suck all our money.
Then there won't be any money for food stamps or health care or social security or vets or education or ....................

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:30 AM

8. I'm trying to imagine Joe Biden making that same speech. I can't.

I just can't.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:39 AM

10. Infinity and Beyond.........................

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:40 AM

11. They all need to read the plaque we left on the moon.

It says "We came in peace for all mankind".

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:47 AM

12. The first time I saw this today

I laughed out loud. Poor Mikey has to go out there and make a fool out of himself for the boss and Trump is probably laughing his ass off.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:58 AM

13. We already have a Space Force.

NASA? USAF? What a dumbass

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:03 PM

14. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

This is just so incredibly stupid and dumb.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:07 PM

16. My nomination for Secretary of the Space Force .....






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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:08 PM

17. Will its forces be called "Space cadets?"

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:50 PM

23. Those'll be the students at the Space Academy. nt

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:26 PM

18. Space, the final boondoggle.....n/t

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:28 PM

19. The USAF will fight this tooth and nail.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:44 PM

22. Yep.

And rightly so. USAF Space Command has this covered. The idea of a separate branch for this is incredibly stupid.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:53 PM

24. Did the Army fight in 1947, when the Army's Air Corps was split off ...

... to create the USAF?

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:33 PM

37. Tooth and nail....

But the Army Air Force's footprint was huge at the time. They were for all practical purposes a separate service during WWII. The USAF has Space Command and that's about it. Hell, NASA can't even get Americans into LEO anymore.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:37 PM

20. Space Force - USA







Trump can't start a new branch of the military.
Congress, not the president, would need to authorize a new military service

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:38 PM

21. "...Congress - not the president-would need to authorize a new military service"

Vox Media

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:14 PM

25. I've figured it out...with a pencil and a pad I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT....

(that is from a play.. Pajama Game, play from the 50s, I know you haven't heard of it..few have)........................................ok.here is the answer.................................................................


Yes ...let us have a Space Force...(.send Pence and Mr. Orange up as soon as possible..)...no training...and leave them up there to go around and around and around..sure...give em enough food to last a lifetime..up there going around and around and around and around........

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:47 PM

45. And it was also a movie with Doris day

https://m.#fauxfullscreen

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:16 PM

26. Space force

Trump started talking about how big the ocean was when he was asked when help would get to Puerto Rico after the hurricane!!!!!

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:22 PM

27. Where's the money Solo?

Once the House flips, what makes Orange Clown and Snow Top think that funding will be approved?

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:24 PM

28. We should make robots like the Cylons....

[link:|

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:01 PM

33. Has to be military

No peaceful exploration.........to where no one has gone before.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:04 PM

34. Maybe we could combine the funds for Trump's most genius ideas...

...and build a SPACE WALL!

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:06 PM

35. How ironic

The most anti-science administration in a long time wants this.

That actually is the scary part.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:24 PM

36. This shit makes my head hurt.

the staggering numbness that this man got elected and now this shit.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:41 PM

38. Wait until Trump puts a tariff on space and skims the fees

A Space Cash Cow is still a Cash Cow with plenty of tax incentives and without the competition of say, hotels, casinos, or golf courses

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:55 PM

39. This Ought To Be Pretty Cheap

Geez, what a dumb idea! Like Gomer to Barney in the Andy and Helen get engaged (not) episode "What a dumb trick! Barney don't you ever call me dumb again. What a dumb trick."

The cost of just sending a routine patrol would require disbanding the marines.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:02 PM

40. As I saw on Twitter today:




Mikel Jollett
@Mikel_Jollett

Medicare for all: “Too expensive!”

Infrastructure: “Too expensive!”

Good schools: “Too expensive!”

Job training: “Too expensive!”

A living wage: “Too expensive!”

A whole new branch of the military but set in space, where no one lives:

“Oh yeah, we can afford that!”

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:35 PM

44. Nice Find!!! (eom)

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:09 PM

41. hell yes! at last, a proper place...

to put all of his Space Cadets! Miserable Assholes' Galactic Armada🚀💩

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:37 PM

42. A shiny Gish Gallop intended to waste our time.

Watch as Trump campaigns on this issue for the next 2 years, accusing Dems of not caring if we give space to our enemies.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:40 PM

43. This is gonna be great!

Once we undertake a brief, inexpensive research and development program, we can begin fielding the space targeting lasers, and smiting the Enemies of Democracy from Space as God has provided. We can start by scorching poppy and coca fields from the sky, eliminating funding sources for terrorists, and as precision targeting improves, hit cannabis growers from Maine to California, destroying the libtards will to resist in their own backyards, and clearing the field for Big Pharma to supply opioides for the proles. Triple win. At least.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:11 AM

46. Yes - I suggest a base on the Sun first.

 

Plenty of Solar and Nuclear Energy to harness and use against the enemies of the Milky way galaxy.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:41 AM

47. Yes!

And Trump and Pence can go and administer that one in person. Send Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, too. I'd say send Ted Cruz as well, but he already looks like he's melting.

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