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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:09 PM Jul 2018

Israeli soldier killed by Palestinian fire near Gaza

Source: ABC News

Israel pummeled Hamas targets in Gaza killing four Palestinians, mostly Hamas operatives, on Friday in a series of airstrikes after gunmen killed an Israeli soldier near the border, officials said.

The military said a "terrorist squad" fired at troops and one soldier was severely injured and later died of his wounds. He was the first Israeli military fatality in months of violence along the Gaza border.

After the Palestinian fire, Israel's military said it struck 15 Hamas positions including weapon warehouses, command and control centers and training facilities. It said "fighter jets commenced a wide-scale attack against Hamas military targets throughout the Gaza Strip." It added that "Hamas chose to escalate the security situation and will bear the consequences for its actions."

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/palestinians-killed-israeli-fire-gaza-56713505

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Israeli soldier killed by Palestinian fire near Gaza (Original Post) oberliner Jul 2018 OP
Typical. The IDF takes 10,000 eyes for an eye... Aristus Jul 2018 #1
Perhaps if Hamas could resist taking an eye in COLGATE4 Jul 2018 #2
Starting wars you can't win is never a good idea hack89 Jul 2018 #3
Where is it written in the rules of war that Israel must deliver an exact proportional response? Devil Child Jul 2018 #4
Read the Torah. Cold War Spook Jul 2018 #8
I have. Igel Jul 2018 #39
Japan killed 2,335 in Pearl Harbor... EX500rider Jul 2018 #5
Got anything to say about leftynyc Jul 2018 #19
Maybe someday Palestinian folks will be considered human dembotoz Jul 2018 #6
THAT will depend on the actions of the "Palestinian folks" n/t oneshooter Jul 2018 #7
So they are currently sub human? Good to know dembotoz Jul 2018 #9
I never said, or implied that. oneshooter Jul 2018 #10
U kill me I kill u.. pretty simple. dembotoz Jul 2018 #13
Why would you WANT to kill me? oneshooter Jul 2018 #16
Why would you treat me like vermin dembotoz Jul 2018 #17
Your actions, and how you treat others determines how others see you. oneshooter Jul 2018 #18
i remember film of israelies in lawn chair watching palistine get bombed and cheering dembotoz Jul 2018 #22
That Isreal will tolerate thier citizens being murdered by Hamas? oneshooter Jul 2018 #36
Do you think Palestinians consider Israelis to be human? oberliner Jul 2018 #11
Good question.. when u r treated as vermin what do u think of ur oppressors dembotoz Jul 2018 #12
Most Palestinians don't have much interaction with Israelis oberliner Jul 2018 #14
Hard to decide who is worse, trump or nutty yahoo dembotoz Jul 2018 #15
I can't help but notice you have not ONE WORD leftynyc Jul 2018 #20
bullshit dembotoz Jul 2018 #21
Oh do feel free to link me to leftynyc Jul 2018 #23
bullshit...i tend not to support murdering thugs...if you do????????????? dembotoz Jul 2018 #24
And yet, still not one word leftynyc Jul 2018 #25
Or Israel crime against humanity... embrace your nutty yahoo dembotoz Jul 2018 #26
Crime against humanity? leftynyc Jul 2018 #27
folks getting bombed and shot at may say genocide...but sugar coat any way you want dembotoz Jul 2018 #28
I don't have to sugar coat anything leftynyc Jul 2018 #33
lol just wow..justify your genocide anyway you want would say shame on you but you have none dembotoz Jul 2018 #35
You might want to google the definition of "genocide" before you misuse it anymore. EX500rider Jul 2018 #38
And here you go leftynyc Jul 2018 #40
so murder whoever you fucking want...god on your side how nice dembotoz Jul 2018 #42
To ignore them is the same as supporting them. n/t oneshooter Jul 2018 #37
Not true leftynyc Jul 2018 #41
embrace your nutty yahoo. you deserve each other dembotoz Jul 2018 #43
Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnn leftynyc Jul 2018 #44
well they won't get a state as long as folks like you ignore the genocide yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnn back dembotoz Jul 2018 #45
You keep using that word leftynyc Jul 2018 #46
i know the meaning fine....so stop the bullshit.... dembotoz Jul 2018 #47
Oh do feel free to explain leftynyc Jul 2018 #48
by your definition genocide did not take place in the warsaw ghetto cause the population grew... dembotoz Jul 2018 #49
There was no genocide leftynyc Jul 2018 #50
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #51
some saw it as genocide.............. dembotoz Jul 2018 #52
one lesson learned from nam was the our country could do stupid things..perhaps you will learn that dembotoz Jul 2018 #53
We weren't defending ourselves leftynyc Jul 2018 #55
Neighborhood Bully MosheFeingold Jul 2018 #29
Bob Dylan, Infidels 1983 oberliner Jul 2018 #30
You have MosheFeingold Jul 2018 #31
Todah rabah oberliner Jul 2018 #32
Great tune leftynyc Jul 2018 #34
'...Israeli soldier killed by Palestinian fire near Gaza...' cntrfthrs Jul 2018 #54
Many Palestinians have been killed oberliner Jul 2018 #56
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
4. Where is it written in the rules of war that Israel must deliver an exact proportional response?
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:04 PM
Jul 2018

Hamas seems to have no problem trading the lives of Palestinians to spill some Jewish blood.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
8. Read the Torah.
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 09:36 PM
Jul 2018

After all, Israel is supposed to be a Jewish country. This was not the same as the Six-Day War.

Igel

(35,191 posts)
39. I have.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

Oddly, the lex talionis is (a) a legal statute and (b) applicable in only certain situations.

As for war, if you read the Torah it's okay to take slaves from the defeated population, and it's okay to wipe out every man, woman, and child, razing buildings and destroying any vestige of the population. Under certain circumstances.

EX500rider

(10,517 posts)
5. Japan killed 2,335 in Pearl Harbor...
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jul 2018

....should the US have stopped after killing that many Japanese? (instead of the 2 to 3 million that were killed?)

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
10. I never said, or implied that.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jul 2018

people get from life what they give. If I swore to kill you and your entire family would treat me as a near and dear friend? How about if I punched you every time I saw you, would you say that it was merely a mistake?

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
18. Your actions, and how you treat others determines how others see you.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 10:25 PM
Jul 2018

If you act uncivilized , then THAT is how others see you. Hamas has declared that they are going to remove Isreal from the face of the Earth.
If I, or someone else, made that declaration about your family, then attacked you, how would you feel?

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
22. i remember film of israelies in lawn chair watching palistine get bombed and cheering
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:59 AM
Jul 2018

That told me a lot

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
36. That Isreal will tolerate thier citizens being murdered by Hamas?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jul 2018

If it was YOUR family being murdered, what would YOU do?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Most Palestinians don't have much interaction with Israelis
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jul 2018

And vice versa for that matter.

That's part of where some of the dehumanization comes from, I think.

There have been occasional initiatives bringing Israelis and Palestinians together in a positive way, but they are few and far between.

The sad thing is that there have been so many well-publicized interactions that have been negative and/or violent.

Also depressing that the right wing appears to have taken hold throughout the region.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. I can't help but notice you have not ONE WORD
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 07:38 AM
Jul 2018

to say about terrorist hamas who is starting the trouble. For some here, even terrorists get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Israel. That's disgusting.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Oh do feel free to link me to
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 08:03 AM
Jul 2018

your comment about the terrorist hamas being a large part of the problem. I'll wait. All I see is whining about trump and bibi and NOTHING about the terrorists. Nope - just went through your posts on this thread again and nothing about hamas - the elected leaders of gaza.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Crime against humanity?
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jul 2018

Which crime would that be? Defending itself? Or the imaginary "genocide" so many on the left trot out until they can't explain why the population continues to go UP in both the West Bank and Gaza? Words have meanings and that's why so many on the far left are ignored on this issue.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. I don't have to sugar coat anything
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:14 PM
Jul 2018

A country is under attack and is fighting back - that's the reality. That's what happens when you vote terrorists in charge who steal all the aid and use it for tunnels and weapons. The Palestinians are and have been taken advantage of by their own leaders and all you want to do is ignore that and blame Israel as if that helps anything. Until you and the rest of the "blame Israel for everything" group want to face that reality, the Palestinians will continue to suffer and Israel will continue to move on and their economy will continue to grow.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. And here you go
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 05:35 AM
Jul 2018

Using that ridiculous word genocide when the Palestinian population just continues to grow. This is why words lose meaning. And it's your own fault that both the far left and far right are ignored on this issue. Go ahead, think you're helping when you toss around meaningless words that have nothing to do with reality. That'll surely get them their own state.

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
42. so murder whoever you fucking want...god on your side how nice
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 11:05 AM
Jul 2018

nothing to do with reality....
reality is Palestinians die and you don't give a damn

shame on you

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. Not true
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 05:40 AM
Jul 2018

There is a large swath of reality between ignoring a situation and using hyperbolic words that have no basis in reality. Why on earth should Abbas or Hamas jack shit for their own people when they can count on the far left to continue to ignore their behavior and blame Israel? So they'll continue to steal all the aid, line their own pockets, kill Israelis every now and then and go on their merry way. You're being used and can't even see it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnn
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jul 2018

You keep mindlessly using juvenile nicknames and words that have no basis in reality. That'll surely get the Palestinians their state. It's really no wonder the far left has no credibility on this issue and why they get ignored.

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
45. well they won't get a state as long as folks like you ignore the genocide yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnn back
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jul 2018
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. You keep using that word
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jul 2018

with absolutely zero idea of its meaning. You're only embarrassing yourself which suits me just fine.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. Oh do feel free to explain
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jul 2018

how a population that RISES each year is experiencing a genocide. Then I'll counter with what ACTUALLY happened in WWII and Rwanda. You go first. Or you could stop embarrassing yourself.

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
49. by your definition genocide did not take place in the warsaw ghetto cause the population grew...
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jul 2018

imagine that.... https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/daily-life-in-the-warsaw-ghetto



shame on your lack of morals

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. There was no genocide
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jul 2018

in the Warsaw ghetto. Just a mass killing (dictionary definition of when more than 4 are killed). And since that's where part of my family came from, I'm quite familiar with that. Perhaps you've heard of the concentration camps? Maybe not since you think that the only place people were killed was in Warsaw. Really, you should stop embarrassing yourself. It's getting hard to watch.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #50)

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
52. some saw it as genocide..............
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jul 2018

On the surface, the reasons that Americans, Jewish and otherwise, cannot resist the resistance are fairly clear. For many, this seminal event offers a glimpse of hope, misguided as it may be, amid a torrent of despair. The various repetitions of the uprising, in its purest form of physical, heroic resistance, satisfies a desire for those of us who were not there in the abyss, to grasp on to something less horrific than systematic deprivation, torture, and mass genocide.

http://time.com/5245019/warsaw-ghetto-uprising-memory/


go support your evil doers i tire of your bullshit

dembotoz

(16,734 posts)
53. one lesson learned from nam was the our country could do stupid things..perhaps you will learn that
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jul 2018

as well...tho i doubt it

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
55. We weren't defending ourselves
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 05:18 AM
Jul 2018

In Vietnam. It's in no way analogous to what Israel faces every single day. And you seem to think any other PM would lay down and allow Israelis to be killed. You couldn't be more wrong. I detest bibi but it's not because he's a strong defender of his country. Any PM would be doing the same thing.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
29. Neighborhood Bully
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jul 2018

Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
His enemies say he’s on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
He’s always on trial for just being born
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
’Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac
He’s the neighborhood bully

He got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
He’s the neighborhood bully

Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no one’s command
He’s the neighborhood bully

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
He’s the neighborhood bully

What’s anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin’, they say. He just likes to cause war
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
He’s the neighborhood bully

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. Great tune
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jul 2018

by Mr. Dylan. Meanwhile we continue to see far too many on the left who ignore what the REAL problems are (the Palestinian leadership) and just whine about Israel as if that solves anything at all.

cntrfthrs

(252 posts)
54. '...Israeli soldier killed by Palestinian fire near Gaza...'
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 12:04 AM
Jul 2018

how many indigenous Palestinians have been killed by Israel???

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