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Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:25 AM

Austrian State May Require Jews to Register to Buy Kosher Meat

Source: Haaretz



Gottfried Waldhäusl, a cabinet minister in the state government of Lower Austria, defended the plan as necessary 'from an animal welfare point of view'

Jul 18, 2018 12:03 PM

A regional politician in Austria defended a plan to limit access to kosher meat, conditioning its sale on permits that would be individually issued to observant Jews.

The Wiener Zeitung daily reported Tuesday about the draft decree in the state of Lower Austria, one of nine states that make up the federal Republic of Austria. Gottfried Waldhäusl, the cabinet minister in the state government of Lower Austria who is in charge of animal welfare and several other portfolios, defended the plan as necessary “from an animal welfare point of view.”

Oskar Deutsch, the president of the Jewish Community in Vienna, warned that, in practice, the plan would require compiling a list of Jews, which he called “like a negative Aryan clause,” referencing racist laws passed by Nazi Germany and implemented in Austria after its merger with Germany in 1938.

The American Jewish Committee’s Berlin office also referenced Nazi decrees in opposing the plan. “Soon with a star on the chest?” a spokesperson for the group wrote on its official Twitter account. “This is an attack on Jewish and Muslim life! #Anti-Semitism.”




Read more: https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/austrian-state-may-limit-kosher-meat-sales-to-registered-jews-1.6289229?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Reply Austrian State May Require Jews to Register to Buy Kosher Meat (Original post)
DonViejo Jul 2018 OP
sandensea Jul 2018 #1
Initech Jul 2018 #16
sandensea Jul 2018 #17
Stuart G Jul 2018 #2
Coventina Jul 2018 #3
turbinetree Jul 2018 #4
Dave Starsky Jul 2018 #15
turbinetree Jul 2018 #18
Dave Starsky Jul 2018 #21
turbinetree Jul 2018 #24
Javaman Jul 2018 #5
Towlie Jul 2018 #6
Jim Lane Jul 2018 #25
lark Jul 2018 #7
OliverQ Jul 2018 #12
lark Jul 2018 #20
BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #8
DavidDvorkin Jul 2018 #10
BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #11
moriah Jul 2018 #22
BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #23
heaven05 Jul 2018 #9
truthisfreedom Jul 2018 #13
Solly Mack Jul 2018 #14
raccoon Jul 2018 #19
COLGATE4 Jul 2018 #26

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:28 AM

1. The Cheetolini effect.

Other countries are quickly stepping up harassment of minorities, Jewish or otherwise.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:58 PM

16. Actually I'd say it's more the Putin effect.

Putin has been stirring up this kind of shit with his troll army for the last 8 years. He's been stirring shit up all over the world stroking the hardcore racists and white supremacists. Dump is just a side effect of this.

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Response to Initech (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:59 PM

17. You're right.

Cheeto's been an apt pupil, you might say.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:28 AM

2. Very anti-semetic and awful beyond words...k and r nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:37 AM

3. Unless the gentleman proposing this is a vegetarian, I call bullsh*t

As someone who doesn't eat animals, I am appalled by kosher and halal slaughter practices.
That being said, I'm appalled by ALL slaughter practices.

This is a very suspect "concern" for animals.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:41 AM

4. Malcolm Nances new book pretty much outlines white nationalist and anti-semitic

rise coming in from a country that was the birth of Hitler and how these politicians and leaders and groups are being funded by Russia in other countries in the region as well to invoke nationalism .......................

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:51 PM

15. I find myself referring here to Nance's book constantly.

It's insane how he has predicted everything that is transpiring before us right now. He did the same thing with The Plot to Hack America, which he wrote several months prior to the 2016 election. He was dead right about all of that.

For all of those reading this on the sidelines, read The Plot to Destroy Democracy by Malcolm Nance. It's on the New York Times bestseller list.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:00 PM

18. Well when you do the job like he did..........he then knows how it works, and who is working it

and it is not pretty........................he is like the canary in the coal mine sort of speak...................he is warning everyone how the criminal gangs and traitors in the world are doing it................and he put 2+2= 4 together, so that we can all understand.................

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:06 PM

21. He was on Stephanie Miller's show this morning...

And he said that he reread his own book a week ago, and he started to actually panic over the implications of everything that he lays out. He is not kidding when he says we have to do everything we legally can to get this asshole out of office--which includes, at the very least, finding two or three people that you know didn't vote in the last election and doing whatever to make sure that they VOTE this time. It doesn't matter if you live in a red or blue state. Just get the word out and help them vote!

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:02 PM

24. Which is why we need to "demand" from each and every state election person controlling the

voting machines, that "We the People" demand paper ballots...............as an example there is a "guy" if Georgia by the name of Kemp ( who is running for the top spot to further the disenfranchisement voters has governor), he is currently the sec of the state, a lawsuit was filed about the voting machines and he is denying that experts have access to the machines to see if they were hacked in the last election...........................

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?p0=263&iso=20181106T12&msg=2018%20Midterm%20Elections

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:07 AM

5. and if i'm not Jewish and want that same Kosher meat, do I have to register?

antisemitism takes many forms.

fuck this nazi prick.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:33 AM

6. More detail:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/austrian-state-may-limit-kosher-meat-sales-to-registered-jews-1.6289229

Jewish and Muslim religious laws require animals be conscious when their throats are cut for the mean (sic) to be kosher or halal, respectively. Judaism imposes stricter limitations on how animals should be slaughtered to ensure a swift dispatching. Critics of the production of kosher and halal meat say it is cruel, though advocates of the practices argue they cause less suffering overall because they are designed to be as painless as possible and cannot be fully mechanized.


It could be argued that a better solution would be to ban such meat altogether for the sake of the animals, but this clumsy measure seems intended to allow freedom of religion to have precedence over animal rights.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:01 AM

25. Thanks for providing the context. That's illuminating.

It should be undisputed that the government ought to prohibit certain practices on the grounds that they're inhumane. NFL star Michael Vick spent 21 months in prison for his involvement in a dog-fighting ring. People apparently disagree about the particular practice of kosher slaughtering.

If the government decides to prohibit it, then it makes sense to try to accommodate the people whose free exercise of their religion depends on it, and to make an exception for them. But that necessarily requires that the people entitled to the exception be identified.

We have something similar in the U.S. The Amish have a religious objection to Social Security. When Social Security was extended to agricultural workers, at least one Amish farmer went to jail rather than pay FICA taxes. As a result, the law was amended to provide an exemption for the Amish, but it had to be narrowly tailored. If a bunch of libertarians were to start a "church" that hails Ayn Rand as a prophet, they wouldn't qualify.

Accommodating minority religious views leads to difficult problems sometimes. Governments could just say "the hell with it" and imprison Amish farmers while making it impossible for some Jews to get meat. Or they could go to the other extreme and say that anyone can get an exemption just by asking, meaning that the laws mandating FICA taxes and prohibiting kosher slaughtering are, in effect, dead letters. The only way to avoid those unreasonable extremes is to give some people a preferred status, based on their religious views, and to couple that discrimination with a mechanism for identifying the ones who are chose (pun intended). Of these three bad solutions, the last one is the least bad.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:38 AM

7. Austria is so beautiful, but it is certainly headed in a dark direction.

I could see it and feel it when I was there in March. The tour guides talked a lot about how the direction of the country was changing so much and they were separating themselves from EU, made little snide remarks about immigrants and the Peace Way had been vandalized. They, Slovenia & Poland are all moving to quickly to the right and have formed their own little coalition. It's still great to visit the Alps in Austria and the orchestras in Vienna are top notch, but I would never even consider moving to any of those countries which are going backwards swiftly.

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Response to lark (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:04 PM

12. I was planning a trip to Austria and Italy in the Spring.

I really wanted to see Vienna and Salzburg, but now I'm thinking I should change it to Switzerland.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:56 PM

20. I'll never have another opportunity to go, so glad I got to see it before it gets completely bad.

I've retired so this was a last hurrah, can't afford to go to Europe now. After seeing this article, I've heard Switzerland is very beautiful.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:42 AM

8. "from an animal welfare point of view."

WTF?

The processing of animals to be deemed "Kosher" is more humane than what happens in the typical meat processing plant.

The Upton Sinclair book "The Jungle", about the meatpacking industry and unsanitary practices, is what lead to this country's food and drug laws.

It's sad that all the cries for "Never Forget" have meant nothing. None of it is "forgotten" because so much of it was written about and filmed at the time, and taught and discussed ever since. Yet the cycle begins anew.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:38 PM

10. No, kosher killing it's not humane at all

I've seen it done. My father was a shochet, among his other jobs. It's grotesque.

But of course what's going on in Austria has nothing to do with concern for animal welfare.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:46 PM

11. Any animal killing-for-food is "grotesque"

but the slaughterhouses are notably worse.

In any case, definitely agree that what that Austrian Minister is claiming is complete bullshit.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:14 PM

22. Temple Grandin has written about humane kosher slaughter.

http://www.grandin.com/ritual/rec.ritual.slaughter.html

Essentially her opinion on all humane slaughter practices has been to reduce stress on the animal prior, and her only issue is the restraint systems some people use.

There are ways to perform kosher or halal slaughter that don't involve such methods such as upside-down-by-the-legs restraint. After that, it's mostly about the cut for the best outcomes.

http://www.grandin.com/ritual/kosher.box.variables.time.lose.sensibility.html

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Response to moriah (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:16 PM

23. Thanks for that info!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:24 PM

9. like in Nazi germany

 

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it started with 'small' hardly noticed decrees and ended up with Dachau, Auschwitz. So it starts....the worldwide nazi movement now with trump as one of it's leading white supremacist proponents is ever so slowly gearing up for genocide. I watching Charlottesville next month on this one-year observance by the Nazi/KKK idiots of their murder of Heather Heyer and injuring of many with life-changing injuries.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:11 PM

13. This had better get nipped in the bud.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:22 PM

14. Damn

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:40 PM

19. Adolf, is that you? Nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:11 PM

26. Never forget that Hitler was Austrian nt

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