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Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:22 AM

Scoop: Trump wants tough new Air Force One paint job

Source: Axios

President Trump wants to update the paint job on the next version of Air Force One, ditching the iconic robin's-egg blue (which he calls a "Jackie Kennedy color" ) for a bolder, "more American" look.

The big picture: Trump rarely gets into the weeds of government negotiations. But he sat down in the Oval Office with Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg in February to personally hammer out the $4 billion deal for a pair of replacement 747s for use as Air Force One (the call sign for whatever aircraft the president is on).

Axios has learned that Trump had one specification for the plane that could cause tension with the Air Force and surprise around the world:

Trump wants to change the plane's signature blue-and-white look that goes back 55 years, to a redesign of the presidential aircraft by President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jackie Kennedy in the early 1960s.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-new-air-force-one-paint-job-b3ff40b3-f8da-448e-9023-a1ea73067488.html

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Reply Scoop: Trump wants tough new Air Force One paint job (Original post)
brooklynite Jul 12 OP
sandensea Jul 12 #1
Snellius Jul 12 #5
sandensea Jul 12 #6
Snellius Jul 12 #9
NCjack Jul 12 #14
Snellius Jul 12 #16
fierywoman Jul 12 #58
hlthe2b Jul 12 #28
RobinA Jul 13 #67
Blue_Tires Jul 12 #42
Initech Jul 12 #39
christx30 Jul 12 #41
Snellius Jul 12 #65
irisblue Jul 12 #2
Girard442 Jul 12 #31
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 12 #61
Renew Deal Jul 12 #35
D_Master81 Jul 12 #44
Nay Jul 12 #55
Mc Mike Jul 12 #3
bucolic_frolic Jul 12 #4
catbyte Jul 12 #7
keithbvadu2 Jul 12 #8
Vinca Jul 12 #11
Girard442 Jul 12 #32
keithbvadu2 Jul 12 #33
BumRushDaShow Jul 12 #10
cheezmaka Jul 12 #19
magicarpet Jul 12 #56
pazzyanne Jul 12 #12
Snellius Jul 12 #13
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 12 #47
Snellius Jul 12 #50
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 12 #51
catbyte Jul 12 #15
rurallib Jul 12 #17
underpants Jul 12 #54
MountCleaners Jul 12 #66
Meadowoak Jul 12 #18
Snellius Jul 12 #20
jb5150 Jul 12 #23
MFM008 Jul 12 #53
relogic Jul 12 #21
SamKnause Jul 12 #22
marble falls Jul 12 #24
riversedge Jul 12 #25
eppur_se_muova Jul 12 #38
samplegirl Jul 12 #26
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 12 #27
babylonsister Jul 12 #29
George II Jul 12 #30
fierywoman Jul 12 #59
MythosMaster Jul 12 #34
keithbvadu2 Jul 12 #36
sinkingfeeling Jul 12 #37
Orsino Jul 12 #40
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dalton99a Jul 12 #43
MiniMe Jul 12 #45
Bayard Jul 12 #46
Brother Buzz Jul 12 #48
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 12 #49
syringis Jul 12 #52
kimbutgar Jul 12 #57
Rebl2 Jul 12 #60
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:23 AM

1. Of course. He prefers whorehouse red and filigree.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:30 AM

5. Is this photo for real?

Not Photoshopped? Doesn't look like it.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:31 AM

6. Oh yes.

This was taken about a decade ago in his Chump Tower penthouse.

The one the bankruptcy courts allowed him to keep when he lost everything in '91.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:47 AM

9. Holy shit! You're kidding! It's like a baroque parody on himself

The more you know, the more he seems like a surreal dream in a grotesque cartoon.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:01 AM

14. Looks like those two just had extremely bad sex. nt

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Response to NCjack (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:07 AM

16. They do look pretty sweaty. Note the Don with a clinched fist.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:34 PM

58. ROFLOL! (Our classy First Lady.)

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Response to Snellius (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:55 AM

28. Grotesque, Obscene, Humiliating to the rest of us.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 12:21 PM

67. He IS

a baroque parody of himself.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

42. Of course! That's from Vanity Fair, IIRC

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Response to sandensea (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

39. Trump is this guy:



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Response to sandensea (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

41. It's like a redneck's idea of what being rich is like.

Gold everything. White piano. He probably has a drink with an umbrella in it, because that's what he wanted his whole life.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:03 PM

65. It's also like what Manhattan "class" looks like to a guy from Queens.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM

2. From the article.

From the article. snip...."We're told he wants the presidential bed aboard Air Force One to be larger and more comfortable — more like the executive livery package on his personal plane than the current, couch-like sleeping configuration aboard Air Force One." A better bed does seem fair.

snip...

When I told presidential historian Michael Beschloss about Trump's plans, he replied: "Why would anyone want to discard an Air Force One design that evokes more than a half-century of American history?"

"Every time you see that blue trim and the words 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' spelled out in that same typeface as an early version of the Declaration of Independence, it brings back JFK landing in Germany to speak at the Berlin Wall, Richard Nixon flying to China, Ronald Reagan stepping off the plane to see Gorbachev in Iceland and a thousand other scenes of Presidents in our past."
"JFK and Jackie Kennedy approved that timeless design (created pro bono by the premier mid-20th century industrial designer Raymond Loewy) to replace an earlier version of Air Force One that had simply said 'MILITARY AIR TRANSPORT SERVICE' and which made conspicuous use of the color orange, which Kennedy rightfully found 'gaudy.'"
"It was JFK who chose what Loewy called the 'luminous ultramarine blue' that has appeared on every version of Air Force One (and some other Presidential aircraft) from 1962 on." end snip




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Response to irisblue (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:24 AM

31. That it evokes those memories is WHY he wants to change it.

Can't have past presidents taking attention away from him, even if they're dead.

He's probably pissed that our money has their pictures on it.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:46 PM

61. Trump will want to replace other presidents' images on money with his own.

What kind of egomaniac do you have to be to want to change a global symbol of American values? Oh, yeah, the same guy who puts his name on every building he "builds."

I hope this gets prevented early, but I'm not confident. I had thought his "It's all about ME!" military parade was going to be shot down, but it looks like he's going to get his way. And when he does, he'll want another one, but BIGGER, next year.

You know, I wonder if even the deplorables would find this unacceptable. It would be the equivalent of placing a TRUMP sign on top of the White House.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:31 AM

35. His problem is that it says United States of America and not Trump

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:49 AM

44. my thought exatly.

He'd change it to "Trump Force 1" if he could.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:13 PM

55. And that the plane isn't covered in gold trim. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM

3. He's working on the important things.

And he thinks he's JFK, again. Refreshing change from his usual Bonaparte delusions.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM

4. I just think and hope

that someday in the not too distant future all this wonton nonsense ego-driven fluff will be undone.

It will be worth any amount taxpayers have to pay to undo this frivolous stroke to Trump's ego

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:46 AM

8. Adorned with some 'tasteful' images of FLOTUS on the nose

Adorned with some 'tasteful' images of FLOTUS on the nose


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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:58 AM

11. Guess there will be no tariffs on silicone.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:25 AM

32. Boobs and a box of bling. Yeah, that's Trump, alright.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:28 AM

33. Preferably Ivanka brand bling. No tariffs.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:54 AM

10. He wants this painted on the tail fin

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:12 AM

19. My thoughts exactly!!!!

Anything to impress his (COMRADE) best friend.....

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Response to cheezmaka (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:23 PM

56. Is that the new Christian cross ?

The Crusades of the Fascist Oligarchs.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:58 AM

12. I read the Axios article.

Had a hard time getting past the photo of what tRump wants Airforce One to look like. It certainly will not blend in with the background. A much easier target than the present Airforce One.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:00 AM

13. Maybe change the Caslon typeface on "United States of America"

to something more up-to-date. Trump will probably go for something more baroque gilded in gold.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:58 PM

50. +1 or Jokerman

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Response to Snellius (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:59 PM

51. I wish I could make the post appear in Comic Sans, but I don't know if that can be done. NT

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:07 AM

15. I can see the inside of it now...

And I'm sure he'll manage to squeeze his name in there somewhere.

[IMG][/IMG]

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:09 AM

17. what other color but



could he possibly want?

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Response to rurallib (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:06 PM

54. How about painting some flames on it?

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Response to rurallib (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:53 PM

66. Gold with baroque flourishes

His taste is like Liberace's but without the camp.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:10 AM

18. I thought he was going to refuse a new air force one, to save the taxpayers money, at least that's

What he said when he was campaigning.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:13 AM

20. "New Book Reveals That President Trump Got Lost on Air Force One"

The majority of you reading this article, likely have flown on a commercial airliner, like the Boeing 747. As you know, boarding and navigating such an aircraft is pretty straightforward. You simply follow the narrow path between the seats to get to and from your own seat.
...
“After takeoff, Trump gets lost while giving Melania a tour of the plane. I don’t know how he gets lost, but he does. Air Force One is a beautiful bird, but it’s no different from any other commercial 747 in that there’s one narrow hallway that takes you from the front to the back.”

Dorey-Stein goes on to explain that the President ended up a seat in front of her, confused as to how to return to where he came from. “When I take a step back, Trump takes a step forward, into my personal space.”

https://hillreporter.com/new-book-reveals-that-president-trump-got-lost-on-air-force-one-3555

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Response to Snellius (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:29 AM

23. That "moran" would get lost

in a paper bag.

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Response to jb5150 (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:05 PM

53. Or driving

Around the inside of a Cheerio.....

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:13 AM

21. The poor man is...

always compensating. His deficient, faux machismo must express itself and makes him look obviously weaker each time to clear-headed un-Foxed newsed humanity.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:15 AM

22. Red and Gold with Trump painted down both sides and on the front and back.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:29 AM

24. He's going to do the work himself ....

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:43 AM

25. OMG. I hope this is not the version he wants. From the article............

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Response to riversedge (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:52 AM

38. Looks great on a pickup truck, why not on official US aircraft ? nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:45 AM

26. Guilded wings maybe??

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:53 AM

27. The blue isn't a Kennedy thing. It's the color of the sky...it's that way for a reason.

Camoflaged somewhat in the sky.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:57 AM

29. It's hideous. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:11 AM

30. "Jackie Kennedy color"? Melania couldn't carry Jackie's..........(better stop here)

Jackie Kennedy was one of the most elegant First Ladies. Melania one of the trashiest.

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Response to George II (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:39 PM

59. AND Jacqui actually spoke French: fluently.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:31 AM

34. Orange?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:43 AM

36. He wants tough? How about a bone spur and a condom painted on it?

He wants tough? How about a bone spur and a condom painted on it?

Donald bragged that avoiding STDs was his personal VN.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:03 AM

37. Won't the tons of gold gilt make it too heavy to fly?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

40. I suppose we should be grateful he's not just having it spray-painted gold.

They can maybe work on getting the Filet-O-Fish smell out while they're at it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

43. .

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:11 PM

45. Good, make his plane a target

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:41 PM

46. I think this is a good design

Paint it like this:

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:52 PM

48. When you can't differentiate between status and class you inevitably end up with tacky

This ain't gonna end well, bank on it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:58 PM

49. Raymond Loewy Under Attack!

Raymond Loewy



Loewy standing on one of his designs, the Pennsylvania Railroad's S1 steam locomotive*

Raymond Loewy (/ˈloʊiː/ LOH-ee, French pronunciation: ​[ʁɛmɔ̃ løui] November 5, 1893 – July 14, 1986) was a Franco–American industrial designer who achieved fame for the magnitude of his design efforts across a variety of industries. He was recognized for this by Time magazine and featured on its cover on October 31, 1949.

He spent most of his professional career in the United States, becoming a naturalized citizen in 1938. Among his designs were the Shell, Exxon, TWA and the former BP logos, the Greyhound Scenicruiser bus, Coca-Cola vending machines, the Lucky Strike package, Coldspot refrigerators, the Studebaker Avanti and Champion, and the Air Force One livery. He was involved with numerous railroad designs, including the Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 and S-1 locomotives, the color scheme and Eagle motif for the first streamliners of the Missouri Pacific Railroad and a number of lesser known color scheme and car interior designs for other railroads. His career spanned seven decades.

The press referred to Raymond Loewy as The Man Who Shaped America, The Father of Streamlining and The Father of Industrial Design.
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Loewy designs
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1960s

• Air Force One's distinctive blue, white and chrome livery, 1962. Variations on Loewy's original design are today flown by most of the U.S. Air Force's fleet of VIP aircraft, including the military "VC" models of 747s, 757s, 737s, and Gulfstreams.(A similar livery was applied in 2006 to Union Pacific diesel locomotive #4141 to honor former president George H. W. Bush)



Air Force One, the livery for which was designed by Loewy in the 1960s
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* He came up with the external appearance, but it's really a stretch to say that he designed it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:03 PM

52. Can someone explain him it's an official plane...

... meant to represent a whole country, not a Carnival char ??

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:33 PM

57. Since he'll be our last president they should just paint it with a big T in gold

Putin is working on ensuring he is our last president.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:41 PM

60. Not his

decision to make. It’s not your plane you idiot.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:43 PM

62. Is it also true...

...that Trump wants to change the National Anthem from "The Star-Spangled Banner" to "America-Fuck Yeah!"?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:46 PM

63. Redneck rich

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:02 PM

64. Might I suggest



You’d have to be a complete monster shoot down something that cute

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