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Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:34 AM

Tim Ryan weighs new challenge to Pelosi amid Democratic unrest

Source: Politico

Rep. Tim Ryan is considering taking on House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi again in November despite previously ruling out the idea — the latest turn in the caucuswide chaos unleashed by Rep. Joe Crowley’s shocking primary loss last month.

Ryan, who won one-third of the caucus’ backing in a long-shot bid following the 2016 election, would be the first challenger to emerge against Pelosi in the post-Crowley world. Crowley, the No. 4 House Democrat defeated by progressive insurgent Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, was seen by many in the caucus as Pelosi’s heir apparent.

“The Crowley race changed a lot for a lot of us,” Ryan (D-Ohio) said in an interview Monday. “There was a lot of assumption that he was going to be moving forward in leadership, and so losing that election put everybody in a state of mind to reevaluate what was happening.”

Ryan’s potential reemergence is just one of the many machinations happening in the Democratic Caucus right now, as Ocasio-Cortez’s victory in New York underscores the growing unrest with Pelosi and the party’s leadership.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/09/tim-ryan-house-democrats-pelosi-703629

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Reply Tim Ryan weighs new challenge to Pelosi amid Democratic unrest (Original post)
brooklynite Jul 10 OP
Iliyah Jul 10 #1
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 10 #3
jaysunb Jul 10 #4
murielm99 Jul 10 #5
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 10 #7
WhiteTara Jul 10 #33
Algernon Moncrieff Jul 10 #39
Wwcd Jul 10 #55
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 10 #76
Cha Jul 10 #80
Wwcd Jul 11 #83
Cha Jul 11 #84
7962 Jul 10 #18
True Blue American Jul 10 #12
Cosmocat Jul 10 #23
True Blue American Jul 10 #25
WhiteTara Jul 10 #34
Cosmocat Jul 10 #37
Wwcd Jul 10 #56
Demsrule86 Jul 10 #71
LiberalLovinLug Jul 10 #60
JHan Jul 10 #2
denbot Jul 10 #6
murielm99 Jul 10 #8
WhiteTara Jul 10 #35
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #9
OnDoutside Jul 10 #11
WhiteTara Jul 10 #36
OnDoutside Jul 10 #45
WhiteTara Jul 10 #50
OnDoutside Jul 10 #51
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #64
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #63
True Blue American Jul 10 #13
MrsCoffee Jul 10 #15
GoCubsGo Jul 10 #22
Wwcd Jul 10 #58
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #65
Cha Jul 10 #81
IronLionZion Jul 10 #21
WhiteTara Jul 10 #38
IronLionZion Jul 10 #42
WhiteTara Jul 10 #49
IronLionZion Jul 10 #61
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #66
Demsrule86 Jul 10 #72
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #73
Demsrule86 Jul 10 #74
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #78
Demsrule86 Jul 10 #75
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #77
C Moon Jul 10 #10
MrsCoffee Jul 10 #16
GoCubsGo Jul 10 #26
MrsCoffee Jul 10 #14
Honeycombe8 Jul 10 #68
Trust Buster Jul 10 #17
GoCubsGo Jul 10 #20
Trust Buster Jul 10 #30
awesomerwb1 Jul 10 #52
True Blue American Jul 12 #86
Mr. Sparkle Jul 10 #19
Cosmocat Jul 10 #24
GoCubsGo Jul 10 #28
Cosmocat Jul 10 #32
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brooklynite Jul 10 #43
still_one Jul 10 #47
mcar Jul 10 #41
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SharonClark Jul 10 #46
kimbutgar Jul 10 #48
wonkwest Jul 10 #53
Wwcd Jul 10 #54
Orsino Jul 10 #57
Wwcd Jul 10 #59
Freethinker65 Jul 10 #62
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:44 AM

1. unrest, disarray

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:52 AM

3. I think "restless" would have been a better choice of word than "unrest."

2006 was over a decade ago. Many of us (not all, to be sure) think that it is time for new faces and fresh thinking in our House leadership.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:56 AM

4. +1 n/t

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:20 AM

5. Who is this "us?"

The Democratic Congress people choose their own leader.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:33 AM

7. And party members choose the candidates.

Some of those party members are looking for change within the party, and choosing candidates accordingly.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:30 AM

33. He's a self promoter. No one else seems to be on

the wagon with him. I called him this morning and told him that he needs to be part of the party and if he wants to be a divider, join Sanders or the republicons or just come out as a Putin Pet; or stand behind the leadership and work to save the nation.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:25 PM

55. Thank you. Sometimes ya just have to say the damed truth cuz they don't hear it otherwise

 

Ryan is a spineless type that goes where he gets attention.
There is NOTHING about him that shows a leader with the backbone to stand up to the hard right's bone crunching, arm twisting .

The same group has been after Pelosi because she does exactly that.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:52 PM

76. Yes.

Totally agree.

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:21 PM

80. And, that OP article is full

of crap, too. Not really any in depth investigation going on with that one.

So what's new with the M$$$M? Oh "politico".. they can say anything they damn please as long as they don't report on all the Established Dems who are WINNING RACES!

There are all kinds of Dems across the Country Fighting to TAKE the HOUSE with what works in their District.. think Conor Lamb and incumbent Eliot Engel in NY District 16..

For Democrats Challenging Party Incumbents, Insurgency Has Its Limits

snip//

Nancy Pelosi, the minority leader of the House of Representatives, recently made an appearance with Mr. Engel in his district and praised him profusely. “We couldn’t be better served than by Eliot Engel,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/nyregion/congress-primaries-democrats-midterm-ny.html

"it’s the establishment wing of the Democratic Party that is having a good 2018. And, more important, it’s having a good year in the places that matter most this November."



"What about those other 19 primaries, where the establishment Democrat won? There are a lot more congressional battlegrounds in that group, 11 in total, including 5 true tossups."

snip// from your link..

But the stories this week about the surprising power of the left side of the party may have overstated the case a bit.

Going by the numbers, it’s the establishment wing of the Democratic Party that is having a good 2018. And, more important, it’s having a good year in the places that matter most this November.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/bernie-sanders-backed-nominees-score-wins-longshot-races-n888071

RSF https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210822252#post3



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Response to Cha (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:10 AM

83. Excellent post Cha!

 

Thanks..

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Response to Wwcd (Reply #83)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:16 AM

84. Some of the Secrets about Experienced DEMS WINNING!!

Secrets certain publications and those with an agenda don't want us to know about.

Nancy Pelosi out campaigning with Winner, Eliot Engel, in the 16th District NY

Wwcd

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:16 AM

18. And we choose the Congress people!

So if there is pressure from the field, it should be considered by those in office.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 04:07 AM

12. And I am one of them.

It is time for Pelosi and Hoyer to step down. Last I heard Steny was in the Hospital with Pneumonia.

They both need to step aside and let the younger group take over. We need fresh faces, fresh ideas and new Leadership! I am sick of being in the minority!

Pelosi raising money did not bring us the Majority, and without that we can do nothing.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:49 AM

23. Thoughts

I agree that it is actually past time to a change in leadership in both the House and Senate.

That isn't a knpck on Pelosi, she is tough and effective. But, as others have noted, having leaders in place too long makes any organization stale, and frankly to call the democractic party stale would be too kind.

Shumer might be OK back in the day when there was some actual collegial aspect to congress, but given that the other leader in the senate is a cold hearted, soul less snake, we are fighting a knife fight there with a plastic spork.

NOW ... Ryan is OK. OK. He is decent overall, and the kind of bluedogish kind of rep who will be mostly right on things, but have to tolerate some third wayism due to his district/state.

But, he is simply a younger version of what Pelosi/Shumer are npw. He isn't someone who can provide a reboot for the party. He is certainly ambitious in a PERSONAL way. He wants the position for him. But, he is no visionary, he is not a guy who can put the party on his back and help it prevail in the epic war that is now in play.

I somewhat agree with the person who called him a stalking horse. I don't think he even has the chops to beat Pelosi - unless there is a REALLY big wave in November, and pretty much all of them fall behind him. He certainly can't beat her as things are now, not even close, and probably not really much of a chance if it is only a 25 seat turnover, either.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:56 AM

25. And I agree with you on that!

Tim is from Ohio,which would be good but I have no preference at this time,except I do think a Limousine Liberal from California who lost the leadership long ago needs to go.

After the Crowley loss it is clear we need to turn the page.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:31 AM

34. The timing sucks. There's a time for this and a time for that

and this isn't the time for disrupting the party. And I don't like him. I didn't like Crowley either. Both bully privileged white men who don't like to be told what to do by a woman.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:34 AM

37. Oh yeah

Agreed - that he is speaking openly about it is indicative of how his personal ambition is the primary driver for him.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:27 PM

56. Nailed the whole point of problem right there.

 

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:16 PM

71. Our county went for Trump...Tim Ryan's district went for Trump...he may be trying to

capitalize on the hatred of Nancy Pelosi by the right ...because she is effective. Hey, I want him to win and I think he will.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:58 PM

60. +1000

I don't think he's the best replacement, but we need to revolve the top positions. Even if they are still doing a good job. In sports, sometimes you have to fire the coach even though you can't say he or she is doing a bad job, its just that they have lost the room.
Chuck and Nancy are becoming dotting old relatives that you have to explain new technology to. They seem to still exist in a world decades gone. It was a good attempt, to try and be conciliatory and show your cards first etc... because if the other side had succumed to civility and decorum and fair play during the last 20 years, then it all would have been less painful. But the GOP did NOT go along to get along. Not in the least. They went hard right the other way building false narratives and CTs. The time for measured civility is gone, and for Pelosi to fail to see that is and indication that she just can't retain that job, if the party is to enter this new age of culture warfare.

I just don't see another blue dog being the answer either.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:48 AM

2. lol. Well best of luck I guess.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:26 AM

6. I have The Honorable Democratic Congressional Leader Madam Nancy Palosi's back!

Russian trolls feel free to alert.

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Response to denbot (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:34 AM

8. I won't be alerting.

Pelosi is very effective.

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Response to denbot (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:32 AM

35. I'm at your side protecting her back

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:52 AM

9. I'm not familiar with him.

But generally speaking, I think fresh blood in leadership positions is called for. Things have gotten stale. The leaders seem to be operating in the old world, where there is discussion and real collaboration with the opposition. These are not the same old times. Things are really different, now.

I didn't like her criticizing Waters that way, either. Not having the back of another Democrat, while playing to the Republican reaction to what Waters said. There was a way to diplomatically handle that without criticizing one of the strongest voices the Democrats have. They got rid of Franken, another strong voice.

Pelosi is effective at getting votes of the reps, but is ineffective in other ways. And Schumer is about as wishy washy as you can get. I think they've been at their leadership jobs for too long. They seem too complacent. Maybe too comfortable.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 03:10 AM

11. Having seen his last "effort" against Pelosi, I wouldn't be too concerned.

Anyone in the UK would understand the term "stalking horse" in a political context, and that's what he appears to me. Not really leadership material, but used as a useful idiot for more savvy operators in the background.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:34 AM

36. yep. Although we

have a lot of people who want men to be the leader, even if it means losing the battle and the war.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 10:11 AM

45. I'm sure there are some, but I would hazard a guess that the majority want the best person for the

job. Tim Ryan isn't even the best man for the job. Schiff, Swalwell, Lieu, Himes or Kennedy to name just a few, would be infinitely better than Ryan.

Outside of Pelosi, what congresswomen would you like to see as Speaker ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

50. You know, I don't really think about that very much.

I too want the best congressional leaders and if it is a man, so be it. If it is a woman, so be it. Just be as effective as Pelosi. She keeps her caucus together and the vote in concert.

BTW, yes, any of those men would be head and shoulders over Bully Ryan.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

51. Yes, 100% with you on all that.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:45 PM

64. I'm a feminist, but think that gender shouldn't enter into it. The best person is what matters. nt

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:44 PM

63. You're calling a Democratic Party politician an "idiot"? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 04:13 AM

13. I agree.

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Tim Ryan is from Ohio. Very popular in a state that votes both ways.

Calling us a Swing State is an apt description. You just never know. But thanks to John Boehner and his Gerrymandering we also have Jim Jordan, Ohio States ex Assistant wrestling Coach.

The guy still likes to shout at opponents, then whines when he gets blow back on him.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 05:57 AM

15. Ryan also said Waters was wrong, calling her words political harassment, but nice try.

Trying to paint Pelosi and Schumer as bad guys is ridiculous.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:45 AM

22. Thank you!

The sign of a good leader is also knowing when to fight and when to not waste your ammunition.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:31 PM

58. 🤤😠😒Waa? RYAN CALLED MAXINE WATERS WRONG!! said it was POLITICAL HARASSMENT?

 

And that's confusing since some here really claimed to agree with and soundly defended Waters.

Kinda puts some in a dilemma don't it.
Whatcha gonna do now? Interesting ...

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:59 PM

65. I "painted" no one as the bad guy. My, my....aren't we touchy about any

criticism or critique of Pelosi & Schumer. So we're loyalists now? Not allowed to point out weaknesses? Every human being has weaknesses, except Pelosi?

I reiterate: Fresh blood is often a good thing, after someone has been in the same leadership job for years. A new take, a new viewpoint, a fresh perspective, a different way of doing things. Sometimes it's not a great thing. But it often is, in my observations in the working world.

Tip o' the hat to the old ways, keep what's good, and don't hesitate to introduce new things. That's what fresh blood can do.

As I said, I don't know much about Ryan. If he said Waters encouraged "harassment", (which she did not do), then that would scratch him out of the running, of course. Not by me, but by the Dem members of Congress. That was a foolish thing to say, regardless who said it.

Whether you or I agree or not, there is a wave of young people coming into the Party. If they stay, they will take over, and it will be a new, energized Party, IMO. Pelosi & Schumer will likely not be able to speak their language. You don't stand in the hallway saying "play nice, play nice, fellow citizens," while the other side is in the process of beating the citizens up.

Having said that, though, Pelosi is pretty good at getting votes. She couldn't keep Democrats from voting to confirm S.Ct. nominee Gorsuch, however. In a power move by McConnell, stealing the nomination from Garland, and refusing even to allow Garland to speak to the Senate members...the conservative Dems voted for confirmation of Gorsuch.

Now we'll have another vote on a rightwing S.Ct. nominee. Trump has a second person waiting in the wings, who is more rightwing than Kavanaugh. Several Dems are probably going to seriously consider voting for him. Let's see if Pelosi can prevent that. If she can, then she can really get the votes when it is critical.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:42 PM

81. Poor sensitive Tim Ryan..

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:43 AM

21. Competition and choice are good for democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Ryan_(politician)

I like and respect Nancy Pelosi but this is a good challenge from a younger rust belt Dem

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:37 AM

38. The time for that is AFTER the election

doing this now shows he's a bit of a titty baby who wants what he wants and he wants it right now.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:46 AM

42. Or it attracts more blue collar rust belt voters

giving them motivation to vote Dem if he would be the speaker instead of a San Francisco liberal.

I don't necessarily agree with that assessment, but it is a way to market this as a clear alternative for any voters on the fence or moderate republicans disgusted with Trump or their local RW choice for congress.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #42)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:40 AM

49. Oh, please. We couldn't count on them last

time. Why should we cater to them now?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:02 PM

61. Every vote is important in these close elections

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 03:11 PM

66. I'm an older female, a feminist. But I do think that fresh blood is necessary....

from time to time. It energizes things, speaks to the newer crowd, applies fresh eyes to old situations, are more creative and enthusiastic. There is no substitute for experience, but there is also no substitute for fresh blood. And you won't find the two things in one person. It's an either-or situation.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #66)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:17 PM

72. Nope...not this time...no learning on the job with Trump as president...it is going to be a

shitshow and Nancy Pelosi can do the job well.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:20 PM

73. We'll see if she can prevent Democratic votes for Kavanaugh.

If not....

I don't consider her recent stint as leader to be that great. After all, she presided over the mess that has happened in recent years. She CAN coral votes at times. She's good at that. And she's calm. Maybe too calm for these times when we are on the verge of turning into 1930s Germany. And she fell for Trump's "deal" for DACA. As did Schumer.

But she's entrenched, so I don't see her being replaced. And that's okay But that means we'll go along as before, and that may not be a good thing.

After losing the Senate and the House and the Presidency (notwithstanding the Russians), I would think it's time to rethink things. Regroup and rethink.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:41 PM

74. Nominees for SCOTUS are confirmed in the Senate not the House.

Nancy Pelosi has nothing to do with it...and with Murkowski and Collins on board, the GOP have the votes.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:03 PM

78. Of course. Please disregard that statement, and insert Schumer's name instead.

I'm not trying to be too negative about particular people. I'm not a big wig Democratic operative. I'm just stating the obvious. When you lose big like that, it is certainly time to hash over what went wrong, what is not getting across to people, what issues do they NOT like the way the Dems are handling, which issues they DO like the way the Dems are handling, etc.

I just think that the same leaders that lead to such huge losses are probably not inclined to sit around a table, with an objective and new view, and decide that they made some big mistakes, and work out a strategy to change what they've been doing the last few years.

Just my opinion. I will vote Democratic, no matter what. But this is an opportunity to make some changes to ensure the blue wave continues. We can't just be about "we are not Republicans." Look at the first slogan, "A Better Deal." It was telling that Schumer thought that was a good slogan. ??? It was changed, thank goodness, but the new one is so bland that I forget what it is. They need to get some creative person with enthusiasm to come up with a slogan.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:47 PM

75. I would remind you that Nancy saved the ACA and pushed it through after Scott

Brown was elected...she held her caucus ...many who lost the next election...also she has held the caucus together against Trump on every important vote. As for 'going along' Nancy is not to blame for 16...those who voted for Stein or stayed home or those who voted for Trump are to blame...she runs the house and does it well.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:53 PM

77. We lost the House and the Senate and the Presidency.

I would think the leaders would have a heart to heart, regroup, and rethink things. Strategy, issues.

As for the ACA, while I have had that insurance for some years, it did have problems, which resulted in many middle class people voting Republican (if what I read was true, and if what I was hearing was reflective of others in similar positions). I would say that the Dem leaders need to address those issues, but it was as if they didn't hear the complaints. I heard them. Loud and clear. Hillary did say some things about working on the ACA, but I don't recall she dealt with it directly very much. That was a big issue with the middle class..small business owners, middle class workers whose employers didn't provide insurance, and others.

It's not my decision. These are just my observations. I hope (and believe) a blue wave is coming. I'm just saying, with the influx of hopefully many new young Democratic voters, the leaders address their needs, and what they expect. Telling them that "now is not the time" is probably not going to work for them. We don't want to lose them.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:01 AM

10. I smell a Putin plan in the works. These traitors need to make California GOP in Nov.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 05:58 AM

16. Precisely.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:58 AM

26. I smell a center-right Dem with a steaming pantload,

This is as much about the centrist and corporate types being scared of the party getting dragged leftward, as it is about Putin's meddling. Ryan said he was "shook" by Crowley's loss. Somehow, that's Nancy Pelosi's fault, rather than Crowley, himself? They're crapping their pants because they know they could be next, and Mrs. Pelosi isn't going to stand in the way.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 05:48 AM

14. Pelosi is a badass and will be speaker again.

That is all, carry on.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 03:17 PM

68. 'Fraid not. She's no badass.

She's a mama bear. Calm, cool, checks off the things on her to-do list, tells everyone to play nice even when the neighborhood bully is beating the kids up. She falls for empty promises by the bullies on the block, forever believing in the innate goodness of humankind. It's a good world. I just wish it were the real world.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 06:13 AM

17. It is not healthy to have the same leader in power for too long in ANY organization.

I support Tim Ryan’s efforts.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:42 AM

20. It's not healthy to have a neophyte in leadership at such a critical period in our history.

I support Nancy Pelosi, who has been around long enough to know where all the bodies are buried.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:14 AM

30. I think she has had her opportunity. A fresh approach is a good thing IMO.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:57 AM

52. Benefit of the doubt here

If not Pelosi, perhaps someone besides Ryan?



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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:53 AM

86. Nancy has been around too long. She lost the Leadership long ago

Has not gained it back!

At this point failure is not an option for Democrats. We need a fighter in Leadership! A winning Leader, not a hanger on to power.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:35 AM

19. I think a change in leadership wouldnt be such a bad thing.

In power Nancy was a great leader, but out of power she is a poor seller of democratic values and at getting back the majority. I dont think she has the ability to win over independents or borderline democrats.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:55 AM

24. Ideally, yes

I think Pelosi is tough and effective in a normal political environment. But, we are in a desperate times, with fascism growing exponentially. Further, to call the democratic party stale would be kind. The party DESPERATELY needs people in positions of power who are dynamic and aggressive.

Now, while Ryan is OK as a congressman he is NOT that. He basically is a younger version of what Pelosi/Schumer are now - people with a good bit of PERSONAL ambition, but not people who can rally/unify the party and lead it into battle.

Not sure who it would be. Just 99.9% sure he isn't the answer.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:06 AM

28. Desperate times also call for people who know every arcane rule and tactic.

And, who know all the leadership on the other side enough to know where their strengths and weaknesses lie. Putting Ryan in leadership would be like replacing General Patton with Sgt. Bilko at the Battle of the Bulge.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:26 AM

32. I think that is probably a good assessment, too

Again, I don't want to knock him too much. He is a decent, run of the mill congressman - a breed that you see some pretty exceptional people, like Adam Schiff, but mostly run of the mill types, like Ryan.

I do remember him from when he got elected, I think back in 06. There was this crew of newbies like him and DWS, and a few others, who got a lot of play in CSPAN during their house time on the floor. They were targeted as the hot new kids on the block types at that time.

He seemed earnest, but despite what appears to be a healthy does of personal ambition, he didn't strike me as being the sharpest knife in the block either.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:01 AM

27. IIRC, Ryan is currently in a leadership role

Pelosi brought him in as one of a few new younger members of the House Dem caucus.

I think there are probably better choices than a centrist white guy from a conservative state to lead a party as diverse and increasingly progressive as the Dems are.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:10 AM

29. I don't care if Tim Ryan wants to challenge Nancy Pelosi or not, but perhaps he might consider

instead of starting that fight now, he might consider doing it AFTER THE F**KING MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER

What we need now is for DEMOCRATS TO VOTE. We don't need side-issues that have the potential to divide Democrats


Getting as many Democrats elected is paramount


Of course this is no surprise coming from Politico, who has more then their share of articles pushing that division as much as possible. They did the same thing in 2016


If I didn't know better I might think there are elements who would like to see a divided Democratic party


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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:08 AM

31. yes, after the midterms.

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:49 AM

43. How many voters do you imagine WON'T vote Democratic...

...because of "disarray"? My estimate is: none.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:03 AM

47. Perhaps, but I have seen some say that they would have an issue voting for a Democrat who vote to

confirm trump’s SC nominee, but generally I agree with your assessment, I just am concerned that divisionary side issues could hamper that, or at worst allow the press to paint that picture which could impact your ndependent voters against us


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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:44 AM

41. Why is he saying this now?

Way to push the "Dems in disarray" meme, Ryan.

I stand with Pelosi.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:53 AM

44. There has never been a Baby Boomer, Gen X, or Millennial

Democratic Speaker or House Minority Leader. Maybe it's time for some younger leadership.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 10:19 AM

46. Politico's full of it

"Ryan’s potential reemergence is just one of the many machinations happening in the Democratic Caucus right now, as Ocasio-Cortez’s victory in New York underscores the growing unrest with Pelosi and the party’s leadership."

Ryan's been running for several years and Ocasio-Cortez's victory doesn't prove any of the article's assertions. It proves that a smart campaigner knew her constituency and got more votes than the guy she ran against.

Besides, do we really want a guy named Ryan running anything in Congress?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:39 AM

48. Could he friggin say this AFTER we win back the House!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:07 PM

53. Now's not the time for this discussion

 

Once we win the House, we’ll have two long months to discuss this.

But we have to get there first. The horse isn’t there yet, Mr. Cart. Slow down.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:09 PM

54. DEMOCRATIC UNREST!!!! DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY!!!

 

FK OFF. We are in this shthole today because of the mantra repeated by the same anti-Democratic voices that imitate the KOCH founded & funded Tea Party.

How'd that turn out for America?
Are we fking great yet?
Is the horseshoe a circle yet?
That was the goal of John Birchers, The Kochs.

One Party hard Right rule & I can't wait to find out what'll be in our free stuff goody bag.



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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:30 PM

57. Dumbass media acting surprised...

...that a longtime Democratic leader might eventually get challenged or even replaced. Ryan's "potential reemergence" touted as breaking news.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:43 PM

59. MAXINE WATERS WRONG!! said it was POLITICAL HARASSMENT

 

SAID, Rep Tim Ryan

Soo.. whIch one ya gonna defend?

Could this really be about MYSOGONY!!!

Both strong vocal women being demeaned by the same man?
A man who is miles & miles from having the life experience or chops to take on the embedded mysogony of the hard right majority?

He has attacked & belittled both Pelosi & Waters for their right to speak.

I won't support, defend nor trust Rep Ryan

6/18

Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, said Tuesday that he doesn't support Rep. Maxine Waters' call to harass Trump administration officials, but said President Trump started these sorts of fights by being uncivil.

"I'm not," Ryan said on Fox News when asked if he's a supporter of Waters' call to action. "I think it's inappropriate for any of us to condone any kind of political harassment."

He sounds a lot like what he's criticising Pelosi of.
"Weak." Hmmmm...
Saying, Waters was wrong to speak out but mmm..Trump started it.

Take a stand for one of your own voices.
He should have supported her right to speak as she did.
Rather he weakly went with, "they're both wrong"...

Get lost Ryan. You do not have the spine to stand for the strongest voices of the Dem Party.

You can never fill Pelosi's shoes on the public stage.

Next?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:04 PM

62. Meh.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 03:13 PM

67. As I understand it, there will be some kind of election.

The one with the most votes will win.

So, nothing wrong with a challenge. In fact, it makes Pelosi's victory look different than a Kim victory, or an Erdogan victory, or a Putin victory.

A challenger could be a good thing, get some blood moving.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:06 PM

69. Can we focus on flipping congress first

and THEN worry about the stupid backbench power plays??

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:49 PM

82. Well put.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 08:14 PM

70. Tim Ryan is my rep...and I love the guy. He is always there for us...but he comes from at a best a

purple state. Trump carried Ohio by more points than Georgia. You need a solid blue state Democrat for House Majority leader. Thus, Tim Ryan is not the person for the job. He would be forced to make deals with Trump...and if he was despised by not making deals, he would be voted out. Our county went for Trump.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:56 AM

87. But Ohio

Also put Obama over the top.

Ohio has not really recovered from the loss of so many manufacturing jobs. The reason they elected Kasich by 2%.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:14 AM

88. True...but they also elected Bush both times ...it is not blue enough for a speaker...and his

district went for Trump which is why you see him criticizing Nancy Pelosi.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:26 PM

79. This Is TR Of The Wide-eyed Innocent Look

“Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio) is going against party leaders and calling for a business friendly agenda ahead of the 2018-midterm elections.

“To be competitive globally, we have to reduce the corporate tax rate,” Ryan told The Hill in an interview from his Youngstown, Ohio, district office. “We’re just not competitive globally because of that."

Ryan, a fast-rising Democrat from industrial Ohio, is challenging Democrats to take a different approach to big business and work with corporate America to create jobs.

"We can’t just be the party of redistribution of wealth; we need to be the party of the creation of wealth in communities all over the country, not to just Silicon Valley, not just Wall Street, but all over."

http://thehill.com/video/lawmaker-interviews/348776-rising-dem-star-tim-ryan-splits-with-party-endorses-corporate-tax

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:49 AM

85. This is self-serving. He will never have the votes, but this plays well in Ohio.

I guess he is raising his stature among his constituents.

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