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Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:06 PM

THE ARMY IS DISCHARGING IMMIGRANT RECRUITS WHO WERE PROMISED EXPEDITED CITIZENSHIP

Source: Pacific Standard


REBECCA WORBY 18 MINUTES AGO

Some United States military recruits who enlisted through a program that promised citizenship following honorable service designation have been suddenly discharged, the Associated Press reports.

The Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program (MAVNI), which the military recently suspended, offered "expedited naturalization" for immigrant recruits. Under President Barack Obama, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals recipients, or Dreamers, became eligible for the program.

Immigration attorneys told the AP that at least 40 people recruited through the program had been discharged, and that many of them were given an "uncharacterized discharge"—rather than "honorable" or "dishonorable"—making it unclear how the discharges could impact their future legal status.

Some discharged service members were told they had "been labeled as security risks because they have relatives abroad or because the Defense Department had not completed background checks on them," according to the AP; others were not given an explanation.

Read more: https://psmag.com/news/the-army-is-discharging-immigrant-recruits-who-were-promised-expedited-citizenship

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Reply THE ARMY IS DISCHARGING IMMIGRANT RECRUITS WHO WERE PROMISED EXPEDITED CITIZENSHIP (Original post)
Judi Lynn Jul 2018 OP
lunasun Jul 2018 #1
Laurian Jul 2018 #2
mountain grammy Jul 2018 #24
CrispyQ Jul 2018 #42
Laurian Jul 2018 #44
FiveGoodMen Jul 2018 #45
SunSeeker Jul 2018 #3
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #4
LiberalArkie Jul 2018 #14
pangaia Jul 2018 #26
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #34
CrispyQ Jul 2018 #43
Ilsa Jul 2018 #38
Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #5
LiberalArkie Jul 2018 #16
Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #30
meadowlander Jul 2018 #6
rogue emissary Jul 2018 #7
alittlelark Jul 2018 #8
Vinca Jul 2018 #9
heaven05 Jul 2018 #10
Totally Tunsie Jul 2018 #11
House of Roberts Jul 2018 #12
Corgigal Jul 2018 #13
joshcryer Jul 2018 #15
guss Jul 2018 #17
zipplewrath Jul 2018 #18
pangaia Jul 2018 #27
IronLionZion Jul 2018 #19
roscoeroscoe Jul 2018 #35
IronLionZion Jul 2018 #37
24601 Jul 2018 #46
trickyguy Jul 2018 #20
in2herbs Jul 2018 #21
sinkingfeeling Jul 2018 #22
bpositive Jul 2018 #23
roscoeroscoe Jul 2018 #36
EarthFirst Jul 2018 #25
TomSlick Jul 2018 #28
meadowlark5 Jul 2018 #29
Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #31
Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #32
Pope George Ringo II Jul 2018 #33
Ilsa Jul 2018 #39
SpankMe Jul 2018 #40
CRK7376 Jul 2018 #41

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:09 PM

1. Campaign promises made and kept

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:11 PM

2. Will no one stand up against all this shit?

These people are just cruel and evil.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:45 PM

24. every day I ask the same question.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 01:32 PM

42. The longer no one stops him, the more emboldened he becomes.

This stinking escapade of GOP senators going to Russia on the 4th, & some of them lying about it to their constituents, reeks. WTF is going on? Assurances that Putin has November covered? What are we going to do if Congress goes 90% red? Schedule a protest some weekend in January?

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 01:55 PM

44. I'm gobsmacked that no republican in power has the will to do anything to stop this madman.

It keeps getting worse and worse, yet he continues unopposed by those with any standing to stop this craziness.

Surreal.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 04:29 PM

45. Apparently, no politicians will

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:16 PM

3. K & R for exposure.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:18 PM

4. My Civil War era

great great grandfather emigrated to the U.S. from Germany prior to the Civil War, and received U.S. Citizenship for his service in the Union Army. Another GG grandfather also served, though I don't think he became naturalized.

What is Trump doing? Soon, no new immigrants. No jobs due to tariffs and trade war. No social benefits. I'm not understanding the end game. Is he going to starve the rest of the population?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:08 PM

14. To do to the United States what the United States did to the old Soviet Union

Plan and simple.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:31 PM

26. THE END GAME is Russian destruction of democracy in USA, Western Europe and Western allied

Asian countries - specifically ROK, Taiwan and Japan.

Weaken/destroy NATO, WTO, etc.. then they are in the driver's seat and can begin by moving on Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Bulgaria, etc etc etc..

russian Empire will return..


Simple.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 06:58 AM

34. Amazing we lack the political will and security to prevent such complicity

You are right though. The pattern that has emerged is sufficient evidence like no other. Unmistakeable.

We are in for a rough time even if our political institutions right themselves and IC along with the OSC investigation deals with it.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 01:38 PM

43. The ignorant & hateful have no idea what they voted for.

The biggest rwnj in my family is less than 10 years away from Medicare & Social Security but is chortling away on FB how Trump is the perfect president & how libtards are going down.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 08:47 AM

38. This will also destroy our work force and social security.

The workforce needs a immigrants because as a developed nation, we are not, on an economic basis, having enough kids. (Although, on a total population basis, I would say the world feels overpopulated.)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:18 PM

5. Immigrants in US military quietly being discharged, AP reports


Scripps National
7:03 PM, Jul 5, 2018
5 mins ago

AIt isn't clear how many, but some illegal immigrants who were reservists and recruits for the U.S. Army have been discharged, the Associated Press reports.

Those folks were promised paths to citizenship, and the discharges are happening abruptly, the AP says.

There isn't an exact number of how many who enlisted in special recruitment have been released.

The U.S. government has instructions on its website for becoming naturalized if serving in the armed forces.

More:
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/immigrants-in-us-military-quietly-being-discharged-ap-reports

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:10 PM

16. The discharge forms have neither "Honorable" or "Dishonorable" listed. No reason for discharge.

Good luck with that.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:44 PM

30. Who on earth does the orange hump think will replace them?

It surely won't be people like President Bone Spurs.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:23 PM

6. Why would having Farsi or Chinese translators

Serve our national security interest?

:d’oh:

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:27 PM

7. Wow just straight up racism.

Blows up the whole "it's not about race, but following the laws" talking point. These men and women wanted to be Americans so bad they put their lives in the line.

We've got to turn out in November!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:35 PM

8. That is sooooo F'ed up.....

“Support the troops....”.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:45 PM

9. That's shameful. A promise was made to those people.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:46 PM

10. AmeriKKKa

 

is going to rescind all citizenship of all non-whites soon. No doubts. Yes all AA will be Negroes again with the nword the openly preferred description among the wypipo. The Hispanic will be labeled again. The Asian will be openly degraded again. Native americans well........??? Women, back into the kitchen and take off those shoes..... This stark raving fool that is potus wants race riots, so his brownshirts can start killing brown people in larger numbers than they did when Katrina hit. This country is going to shit.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:52 PM

11. This could fit many of us...

including those who are carrying out the discharges.


Some discharged service members were told they had "been labeled as security risks because they have relatives abroad

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 06:57 PM

12. That's burning some very expensive training,

for absolutely no good reason.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:02 PM

13. Then the young Nazi guys can take their place.

If they weren't so precious, of course.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:09 PM

15. Wow, this is some low ass shit right here.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:31 PM

17. contract

They Signed a legal Government Contract
That the Government provided to them and was signed.
So the Selective Service you automatically sign up for when u turn 18.
Should not be valid.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 07:59 PM

18. They need to sue

Ultimately they'll lose, because the SC is extremely deferential to the CIC on these matters, but in the meantime he'll be exposed for the miserable person he is. There will be a breaking point, sooner or later.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:32 PM

27. LATER is too late.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:08 PM

19. "been labeled as security risks because they have relatives abroad or because the Defense Department

"been labeled as security risks because they have relatives abroad or because the Defense Department had not completed background checks on them,"

Earlier today on this very forum, a fellow DUer informed me that I'm a security risk because I have relatives abroad and it's not worth conducting a background check on me. This DUer promised me it was not because of my race.

This is not how white nationalism begins. We are many steps along the way of establishing white nationalism as official US policy.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:28 AM

35. This excuse is Ridiculous

Where is your quote from, please? This is nonsense. Security screening is very demanding, and especially so for these personnel. Count on it.

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Response to roscoeroscoe (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:56 AM

37. That quote was in the OP link

Believe me, I know it's very demanding. I live this every day. Nevertheless, I persisted. I go through 99 people explaining to me why I won't pass the background checks for clearance before I find one who says "Yes we can". It's a long uphill battle but totally worth it because my current career is much better because of it and I'm a stronger more resilient person now. It's great to finally have fellow US citizens as coworkers.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 11:07 PM

46. In the late 70s, I was in the Army Signal Corps in Germany. Our battalion had three companies that

operated non-tactical "post, camp & station" communications centers (electrical messages we turned into paper copies), telephone exchanges & long haul microwave to tropo-scatter sites. Most of our comm centers only went up to secret and our folks had secret clearances based on National Agency Checks. As we modernized, different kinds of comms were being merged and our comm center operators needed Special Background Investigations for TS clearances and additional accesses. I worked in the Battalion S2 (intel) but in a Signal Battalion, that really didn't mean Intelligence nearly as much as Security. We had to process submission of the forms, take the fingerprints and conduct an interview. Everything was bundled off and mailed to the Army's Central Clearance Facility in CONUS.

Some of them sailed through with no problem. Some came back asking for additional references. And in about 20%, we received notification that not only was a TS clearance denied, but that the Soldier's access to all classified material was suspended and CCF had started the process to permanently revoke their existing secret clearance. With strong recommendations from Company & Battalion Commanders, we could request restoring access & recommend against revocation, but there was no way locally to just override CCF action. The operational impact was huge when a company with 7 comm centers and about 70 operators suddenly was down 15 people with no inbound replacements. We learned that most of the cases were prompted because the SBI form contradicted the information on their enlistment paperwork - most commonly about drug use - mostly marijuana. What that meant was that after the security clearance people pulled their access, the next shoe to drop was when the Army's Military Personnel Center (MILPERCEN) initiated admin discharges for fraudulent enlistment - not with an honorable discharge. Not Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharges since that's only from a court martial, but there were three levels of administrative discharges and anything less than honorable limits your future. Those were really difficult to deal with and I believe most of them happened because their recruiters told them to leave it off since it needed a waiver and they (the recruiters) didn't want to risk closing the deal and losing the enlistment.

There also was one kind of funny one too. A Sergeant (so we thought) PCS'd in from Korea. We hand-carried our field personnel & finance records during transfers. Security Clearance was on a DA Form 873 in the personnel file. After doing local files checks with no flags, the clearance in the form was accepted and we could go to work. This one guy in-processed but there was no 873 in his personnel file. We sent an electrical message back to his previous unit (in Korea). The response started, "Apparently, Specialist XXXXXX does not recall his Courts-Martial..." Good initiative/Bad Judgment - removing that info didn't make it go away, especially when the originals went to MILPERCEN and the Finance Center.

In my 18 months at Battalion Hqs, we had all sorts of things and in those days, careers could survive a mistake. I saw folks get DWIs and the reprimand could be kept in the local file and removed at PCS as long as they stayed out of trouble. The same reprimand with a decision forwarding it to the official MILPERCEN file was a career-ender. We probably had 40-50 of these clearances cases and fewer than 10 got their clearance back. It was just not an area where there was much tolerance or compromise, even in 1978-79. And other than back to the CCF, there was no real way to appeal a clearance decision. We had a LT lose a career (and a clearance) for falsifying a leave form by one day to catch a space-available MAC flight. Our Battalion Commander said how could he ever face he rest of us if he didn't hold his officers to the same standards. He retired with three stars, rare enough and really rare when not from combat arms (Infantry, Armor, Artillery, etc.).

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:13 PM

20. When the military pulls this kind of shit its a national disgrace.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:16 PM

21. I look forward to the day when we can welcome back these honorable veterans

and honor our promise to expedite their citizenship.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:27 PM

22. The word, contracts, and treaties of the USA mean nothing.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 08:32 PM

23. Fubar

My two roommates were immigrants vying for there green cards. Both were studying for there citizenship tests. They both passed the tests. One was from Mexico and the other from China- both great soldiers.

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Response to bpositive (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 07:29 AM

36. Exactly

Some of my fellow Soldiers as well.

I'm writing to everyone I can about this underhanded move.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:25 PM

25. "Sorry; you just aren't white enough..." nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:36 PM

28. I'm embarrassed for the Army.

I'm embarrassed for the country.

What became of honor?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:40 PM

29. They're also creating a Denaturalization Task Force

last month, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services started a task force to review cases where people may have lied in order to get citizenship. And now the administration says it could be denaturalizing potentially a few thousand people


https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22061884/denaturalization-task-force-trump-citizenship/

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:47 PM

31. Nothing lower. Thanks for this link, meadowlark. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:48 PM

32. Disgusting...

Apparently "Support our Troops" only goes so far, but we already knew that with the GOP. Convenient for photo ops and not much else

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Jul 5, 2018, 09:54 PM

33. All I can think about is "This we'll defend."

I really don't mind the fact that Trump has no sense of personal honor, but the damage this does to military and national honor is simply disgusting. I'm not sure this sort of thing ever truly washes out.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 09:04 AM

39. More broken promises from trump and the military to those willing to serve.

My MIL is a military dependent of a career enlisted man, now deceased. She has Medicare and Tricare for Life as secondary. Her meds had been covered at 100% if gotten through Express Scripts, until this year. Now she has co-pays ranging $7-52 for three month supplies.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 09:08 AM

40. In the meanwhile, white supremacists get to stay. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:19 AM

41. This is disgusting!

My last few years on active duty before retirement were spent at Ft Jackson, SC, the largest US Army Basic Training Center. Nearly every week we had a Battalion of Basic Training Soldiers graduate and move on to their Advanced Individual Training. Nearly all of the graduation ceremonies included a Naturalization ceremony for the Army's newest recruits. I made a point of trying to congratulate each of these new Soldiers for their new citizenship and for completing Basic Combat Training. Trump has ruined almost everything positive and good about our nation. I am so sick of the monster.

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