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Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:10 AM

Statue of gynecologist who experimented on slaves removed from NYC, but remains in Columbia

Source: thestate





April 17, 2018 11:39 PM Updated 7 hours 30 minutes ago NEW YORK

A statue of a South Carolina native known as "the father of gynecology" was removed from Central Park in New York on Tuesday.

The legacy of Dr. J. Marion Sims a 19th-century gynecologist who experimented on enslaved women is so controversial that his monument was the only one of more than 800 under review that was removed from its current location in New York, npr.org reported.

In the Antebellum era, Sims performed surgical experiments on slaves without using anesthesia, according to newyork.cbslocal.com. These experiments led to a breakthrough technique that fixed vesicovaginal fistula, or tears between the vagina and bladder.


Statues of Sims remain standing elsewhere in the country: In addition to one in Montgomery, Ala., where he performed much of his medical work, there is a monument to Sims in Columbia.
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Read more: http://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article209188014.html#storylink=cpy



I remember studying him in classes long time ago--that was a LONG time ago.






A worker tosses a strap over the 19th century statue of Dr. J. Marion Sims, Tuesday, April 17, 2018, in New York's Central Park. Sims was known as the father of modern gynecology, but critics say his use of enslaved African-American women as experimental subjects was unethical. The statue is being moved to Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn, where Sims is buried. Mark Lennihan AP

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article209188014.html#storylink=cpy

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Reply Statue of gynecologist who experimented on slaves removed from NYC, but remains in Columbia (Original post)
riversedge Apr 2018 OP
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #1
heaven05 Apr 2018 #3
FSogol Apr 2018 #4
heaven05 Apr 2018 #6
riversedge Apr 2018 #8
Hortensis Apr 2018 #11
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #5
heaven05 Apr 2018 #7
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #9
heaven05 Apr 2018 #12
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #13
heaven05 Apr 2018 #14
BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #15
heaven05 Apr 2018 #2
Bromwell Apr 2018 #10

Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:31 AM

1. Good

The memorials that promoted and celebrated the U.S. holocaust are finally being removed.

The first thing that Germany did after WW2 was remove all manner of Hitler celebration and placed his role in proper perspective. This needs to happen here.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:48 AM

3. it will never

 

happen here. Too many 21st century Confederate grey, wanna be slave holders. 66millions plus at last count and growing. Lucky there is still plenty blue to oppose the rise of this new Confederacy. Yet the southern racist white person, part of the 66million+ trumpthePOSpotus voters are still fighting the 1st ameriKKKan Civil War and look like, with the election of trumpthepretendpotus, they are jockeying for a 2nd ameriKKKan Civil War.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:53 AM

4. and yet, little by little many of the statues are being removed.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:06 AM

6. should have

 

been gone. That they are still wanted in places they can be seen and revered is the point. Let's see experimentation, 1850's on, most statues still up 2018. Racism associated with the way dr.sims thought and experimented, not removed and growing still.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:21 AM

8. agree. The process of removal needs speeding up a lot

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Response to riversedge (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:08 AM

11. Yes, but too slow or properly, we nevertheless advance.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:58 AM

5. What FSogol said

Statues are actually coming down - many that had been erected around 1912/1913.

So although generations have internalized a love of the KKK, at least some of the monuments glorifying them are coming down finally.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:21 AM

7. same response

 

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as to what FSogol wrote. Racism only lasts as long as people desire to think that way and actively fight to maintain it and/or are QUIET about it in a desire to maintain racial privilege and entitlement. Charleston white racist riots, constant and continuous shootings of unarmed AA's, mass shooting in a AA church, shootings that have showed me just how strong a hold racism has gained since just say the installation of the bush-cheney regime.

Many people can afford the patience you and FSsogol display at the removal of the monument(s) that reveres a vicious racist.

Many don't have that benefit, privilege or entitlement. they(AA)predominantly, are being murdered, executed, literally, wanting equality, but ain't here yet for many many americans. I better add this caveat: I used they because I have never let anyone openly discriminate or try to humiliate me because of my families of origin. African, German, Spanish. Or my pigment hue. I changed they to AA. Oversight in trying to remain objective. Journalism, Broadcasting and Film, 5 year study at a prestigious American University. Must declare my intent. Sorry.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:26 AM

9. I understand

I don't have the patience either.

But sometimes, like the election of Barack Obama (thanks to 40% of white voters) or the removal of Confederate statues after 100+ years, gives me a tiny bit of hope.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:24 AM

12. got to have hope

 

I guess...the election of President Obama gave me a thrill, one because of the race neutrality a lot of white people showed in 08. Gratifying to me...this lasted until the vacation plans of the family were released prior to event by MSM media people and social media outlets, Malia and Sasha were both put as immediate risk. A precedent setting incident, in my following, since 63, of Presidential daily affairs and family togetherness.

And the unprecedented obstruction of ANY Obama Initiative starting in 2010 based solely on his skin color, no doubt in my mind, told me not to count on too much coming from those who handled, politically, daily american life and the laws and programs created and enforced in an orderly society. That personal observation has been borne out and proven without doubt. Today April 2018.

I'd like to see a lot more and less general I guess.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:42 AM

13. This is what gives me hope









(my Mom, who passed several years ago, loved that last pic and always used to point out that little boy, who is now a young man, and who attended the signing of the ACA - she chuckled at how he was dressed the same as the President)

Doesn't mean their lives won't be made miserable because the systemic and institutionalized racism is alive and well and being stoked by the current occupant of the WH, but this sort of thing has left lasting impressions on these young people - and notably, young black boys who will be men one day (hopefully...if they survive profiling).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:03 PM

14. YEP

 

hopefully

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:24 PM

15. ...

Big ole bear to you!

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:41 AM

2. where's my sledge hammer

 

his goddamn statue belongs in a cemetery in pieces like his rotted corpse. I would believe he was an early Mengele, hell Mengele probably learned about him while studying..... He is the perpetrator of one of the modern histories 7 most evil medical experiments, ever.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2018, 08:30 AM

10. But what about the history! (sarcasm)

Good, rip it down, melt it/chop it up. Its disgusting frankly that this country has so many statues and monuments to traitorous vermin.

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