Mon Apr 2, 2018, 06:56 PM
Jose Garcia (2,260 posts)
Tim Canova quitting Democratic Party, still plans Wasserman Schultz challenge
Source: Sun-Sentinel
A defiant Tim Canova said Monday he’s changing tactics in his quest to defeat U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He’s leaving the Democratic Party and abandoning his primary challenge of Wasserman Schultz. He hopes to appear on the November ballot as a no party affiliation candidate against her. Canova made his announcement during a lengthy and wide-ranging speech outside the Broward County Governmental Center during which he railed against Wasserman Schultz, describing her as a “corporate, robot politician;” blasted Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes, claiming she did a poor job running the 2016 primary he lost to Wasserman Schultz; complained that the Democratic Party is out of touch with the true interests of voters; and declared he’d soon start campaigning around the state. Several times during his remarks, Canova used the term “bull----,” explaining that he wouldn’t hesitate to forcefully condemn something that he and his supporters didn’t like. Among his targets: “The leadership of the Broward Democratic Party has its head up its ass.” Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-sb-tim-canova-leaves-democrats-wasserman-schultz-20180402-story,amp.html Good riddance. Now that he isn't running for the Democratic nomination, he will have more time to go on Fox News pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy theory.
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Jose Garcia | Apr 2018 | OP |
SFnomad | Apr 2018 | #1 | |
Jose Garcia | Apr 2018 | #4 | |
Jim Lane | Apr 2018 | #15 | |
SFnomad | Apr 2018 | #37 | |
Jim Lane | Apr 2018 | #43 | |
SFnomad | Apr 2018 | #47 | |
obamanut2012 | Apr 2018 | #23 | |
Gothmog | Apr 2018 | #2 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #9 | |
Ninsianna | Apr 2018 | #38 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #40 | |
JNelson6563 | Apr 2018 | #3 | |
NurseJackie | Apr 2018 | #5 | |
JNelson6563 | Apr 2018 | #6 | |
Cha | Apr 2018 | #12 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #41 | |
disillusioned73 | Apr 2018 | #39 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #42 | |
disillusioned73 | Apr 2018 | #46 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #48 | |
disillusioned73 | Apr 2018 | #50 | |
dbackjon | Apr 2018 | #7 | |
SunSeeker | Apr 2018 | #8 | |
George II | Apr 2018 | #10 | |
Laffy Kat | Apr 2018 | #11 | |
tonyt53 | Apr 2018 | #13 | |
Wwcd | Apr 2018 | #14 | |
Scurrilous | Apr 2018 | #16 | |
Post removed | Apr 2018 | #17 | |
JI7 | Apr 2018 | #18 | |
aeromanKC | Apr 2018 | #20 | |
JI7 | Apr 2018 | #21 | |
obamanut2012 | Apr 2018 | #25 | |
obamanut2012 | Apr 2018 | #24 | |
JI7 | Apr 2018 | #19 | |
obamanut2012 | Apr 2018 | #22 | |
Wwcd | Apr 2018 | #28 | |
Tommy_Carcetti | Apr 2018 | #33 | |
RandiFan1290 | Apr 2018 | #26 | |
PDittie | Apr 2018 | #29 | |
Wwcd | Apr 2018 | #31 | |
HopeAgain | Apr 2018 | #27 | |
Wwcd | Apr 2018 | #30 | |
Wwcd | Apr 2018 | #32 | |
marble falls | Apr 2018 | #34 | |
MineralMan | Apr 2018 | #35 | |
MrsCoffee | Apr 2018 | #51 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2018 | #36 | |
LanternWaste | Apr 2018 | #44 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2018 | #45 | |
riversedge | Apr 2018 | #49 |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:10 PM
SFnomad (3,473 posts)
1. Could this split the general election and allow a Republican to win? n/t
Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:20 PM
Jose Garcia (2,260 posts)
4. Highly unlikely
1. The district is overwhelmingly Democratic.
2. 2018 is looking like a wave election favoring Democratic candidates. 3. Republicans have, election after election, nominated ineffectual and often clownish candidates in this district. 4. Canova hasn't been able to raise money since being abandoned by Bernie Sanders. 5. Wasserman Schultz remains popular among voters in her district. |
Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
15. Yes, that's possible.
In the 2016 Democratic primary, there were approximately 4 votes for Wasserman Shultz for every 3 for Canova. In the general election, the Republican got 41%, and miscellaneous minor candidates got 2%.
Trigger warning, a pessimistic but plausible hypothetical is coming up: If this year's Republican again gets 41% and the various others again total 2%, and if Wasserman Schultz again beats Canova by a 4:3 ratio, then the numbers could be something like: Republican 41%, Wasserman Schultz 33%, Canova 24%, others 2%. The obvious qualification here is the "spoiler" factor. Many voters who would support Canova in the Democratic primary won't do so in a general election in which he's perceived as having no chance of winning. (As an aside, this is why it's a bonehead move on Canova's part.) He's likely to trail Wasserman Schultz by a worse ratio than the 4:3 of last cycle. The break-even point is if a third of the people who actually prefer Canova decide to hold their noses and vote Democratic. That brings her to the Republican's level. If the defections from Canova are more than a third, she wins. I'd rate Wasserman Schultz the favorite to retain her seat, but she's somewhat less of a favorite than she'd be without Canova running in the general. |
Response to Jim Lane (Reply #15)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:16 PM
SFnomad (3,473 posts)
37. This is what I was worrying about. I too looked at the percentages of the 2016 Primary and General
And if the Democrats took the same percentage in the General, but those General votes were split along the lines of the Primary, than Wasserman would be in the 30s and the Republican over 40%.
I hope you're right about "Many voters who would support Canova in the Democratic primary won't do so in a general election in which he's perceived as having no chance of winning". Earlier, I wondered if the election required the winner to get 50% and if a runoff would happen. I finally found an election for a House of Reps seat from about 10 years ago in Florida where someone didn't get 50% because of 3 people in the race, but won without a runoff ... so yeah, it is a concern. |
Response to SFnomad (Reply #37)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:47 PM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
43. Thanks for the information about the runoff. I should've considered that.
Unless Florida law has changed since the race you researched, the Republican could win the seat with 40% of the vote against a divided opposition.
I'd like to see the seat filled by a Democrat who's to the left of Wasserman Schultz. Another effect of Canova's decision is to make that outcome much harder. His independent campaign, by draining off money and volunteer time, will effectively preclude anyone else from challenging her in the primary. |
Response to Jim Lane (Reply #43)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 03:18 PM
SFnomad (3,473 posts)
47. Here is the race that I found, it's from 2006, it was Mark Foley's old seat
Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:37 AM
obamanut2012 (23,857 posts)
23. No, it is a safe Dem district, esp as long as DWS runs
They love her in her district -- I have semi-wingnut colleagues who vote for her even though they don't agree with her on about anything, because she is effective, and listens to her constituents.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:15 PM
Gothmog (126,832 posts)
2. Who is surprised by this?
This idiot was not committed to the Democratic Party and does not care if he hurts the party
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 08:24 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
9. I was going to say similar, he probably never was a Democrat dedicated to the Party anyway.
Response to George II (Reply #9)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:46 PM
Ninsianna (1,349 posts)
38. He's a very angry, very bitter man.
His Twitter page is full of so much hate and Russia Today offerings.
Not much of a Democrat, and a truly awful person. Even Bernie, who had endorsed him initially steered clear. |
Response to Ninsianna (Reply #38)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:20 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
40. When I saw your subject line I forgot who we were talking about. Yes, Canova is very bitter.
He's now in this only to try to destroy Wasserman-Schultz, but it isn't going to work.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:16 PM
JNelson6563 (28,151 posts)
3. Sad that there's no credible challenger
to DWS.
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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #3)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:45 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
5. The voters appear to like her.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:46 PM
JNelson6563 (28,151 posts)
6. Valid point.
I guess if enough of them do she will win. Better than anyone from GOP, of course!
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:21 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
41. That's the American way - voters in a district elect THEIR choice.
Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #3)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 12:51 PM
disillusioned73 (2,872 posts)
39. Indeed..
although it matters not though, since the ballots may be destroyed illegally once more..
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Response to George II (Reply #42)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:58 PM
disillusioned73 (2,872 posts)
46. Here ya go..
[link:https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/12/15/experts-browards-elections-chief-broke-law-in-destroying-ballots-150258|
Florida seems to have these "problems".. I remember the debacle that was the 2000 election.. |
Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #46)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 06:03 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
48. Aren't those court cases/lawsuits still open?
Response to George II (Reply #48)
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 09:33 AM
disillusioned73 (2,872 posts)
50. I believe so..
I haven't been following it though - not in my neck of the woods.. maybe Canova saw the writing on the wall..
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 07:52 PM
dbackjon (6,578 posts)
7. Has he had any recent payments in Rubles?
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 08:16 PM
SunSeeker (49,150 posts)
8. OMG, I thought you were kidding about the Seth Rich conspiracy, but Canova was actually pushing it!
The transcript in this June 2017 Sun Sentinal article, where he talks about Seth Rich and the Russia investigation, shows how unhinged Canova is: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-transcript-tim-canova-seth-rich-20170629-story.html
He kept calling the Russia investigation "Russia Russia Russia" "hysteria." That dude was never a Democrat. Glad he made it official. |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 08:25 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
10. With an attitude like that, the Democratic Party doesn't need (or want) him.
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 09:43 PM
tonyt53 (5,737 posts)
13. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out of the Party, Timmy-boy.
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 09:48 PM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
14. Another sore loser who just can't move on. Well at least without a big bag of rubles in his hands
They keep revealing who they work for.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 11:51 PM
Scurrilous (38,676 posts)
16. What an idiot.
Broward County is solid blue. Attack the Democratic Party there and you lose...again.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:02 AM
JI7 (87,755 posts)
18. DWS is a breast cancer survivor. Canova is a scumbag troll spreading right wing
conspiracy theories.
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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 05:23 AM
aeromanKC (3,089 posts)
20. You're right
My heart goes out to DWS as a person, but she has done more harm to the Democratic Party than a GOP mole could have ever done in her capacity as DNC chairperson. That will never be forgiven. And unfortunately because of that shared hatred of DWS across the Democratic Party nation wide the scumbag Canova got more support than he deserved. Thankfully his 15 minutes is just about over.
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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #20)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 05:32 AM
JI7 (87,755 posts)
21. she wasn't hated other than by fucked up types that would support a scumbag right wing conspiracy
theorist like Canova.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:38 AM
obamanut2012 (23,857 posts)
24. Wrong, but you know that
![]() Nice slagging of a caner survivor, too -- you should be ashamed. |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:02 AM
JI7 (87,755 posts)
19. this guy has always been a troll
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:35 AM
obamanut2012 (23,857 posts)
22. Sorry, he goes on extreme wingnut radio shows down here
And has zero public service experience.
He sucks. DWS is far from perfect, but she was a scapegoat for quite a few things, and her constituents love her -- she is very effective for them. I live right out side of her district, and have friends and colleagues who live in it, and ALL of them, regardless of D, R, or I, vote for her. Canova can go back on the wingnut radio show and spout more anti-democratic CT garbage. NO ONE on DU should be supporting him -- he is terrible. |
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #22)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:14 AM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
28. Thanks for that view from the locals who elect DWS
She was just another strong Democrat, like Hillary, who was targeted early on.
I recall how wikileaks had certain bombs ready to drop if a non-democrat needed scandalous coverage of themselves quickly removed from the headlines. The fact that someone else then wanted to replace DWS with Tulsi Gabbard, gave away the reason behind the scapegoating of Schulz. We knew what & who was behind it then & still today. Another non-dem decides to run as an Indy now, because they failed the last time. Maybe they can get Trump elected again! The Nadar/Stein Party |
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #22)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:00 AM
Tommy_Carcetti (42,053 posts)
33. He had the full ringing endorsement of...
...Joyce “If ballots don’t work, bullets will” Kauffman.
Glad I was never fooled by this guy’s garbage from Day One. |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:06 AM
RandiFan1290 (6,153 posts)
26. Sounds like the 'centrist' hero Lieberman. nt
Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #26)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:29 AM
PDittie (8,322 posts)
29. No, he's to her left
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:06 AM
HopeAgain (4,407 posts)
27. People didn't know who Canova really was the first time...
Plus the leaked emails was fresh in everyone's mind and Canova got some Bernie supporters' votes. I expect things to go back towards normal for her this year here in FLA 23rd. Canova is a brief was.
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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #27)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:37 AM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
30. That's their shtick. Run an unkown and re-invent him/her as a Dem for a brief time.
They show themselves eventually.
Hard to believe some actually supported Canova without doing their own research as to who he really was. The Party was divided and that was their goal. Thus, Trump. Yippee |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 08:46 AM
Wwcd (6,288 posts)
32. Sounds like how Trump talks.
Several times during his remarks, Canova used the term “bull----,” explaining that he wouldn’t hesitate to forcefully condemn something that he and his supporters didn’t like. Among his targets: “The leadership of the Broward Democratic Party has its head up its ass.”
Talk about "out of touch"..what a chuump. Wowee! |
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:15 AM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
34. Note to Tim: we vote for the Democratic candidate. Attempting to spoil an election will get you ...
nowhere except as a footnote.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:32 AM
MineralMan (145,030 posts)
35. Wait for it: Our Revolution Endorses Canova...
Video at 10 PM.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 09:50 AM
MrsCoffee (5,594 posts)
51. Kiss of death.
They don’t have a great track record.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 09:40 AM
brooklynite (85,605 posts)
36. Remember the good old days when everyone here hated Debbie and loved Tim?
Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:54 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
44. I remember fewer statements of absolutism.
I remember fewer statements of absolutism.
But that was before your time... |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #44)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 01:56 PM
brooklynite (85,605 posts)
45. I go back to 2002, so it must be a while ago.....
Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)
Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:24 PM
riversedge (65,479 posts)
49. Anyone pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy should not be a Democrat!!...
Glad he is gone. and thinks for reminder.
...Good riddance. Now that he isn't running for the Democratic nomination, he will have more time to go on Fox News pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy theory. |