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Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:35 AM

Concern over Russian ships lurking around vital undersea cables

Source: CBS News

WASHINGTON -- Russian ships are skulking around underwater communications cables, causing the U.S. and its allies to worry the Kremlin might be taking information warfare to new depths. Is Moscow interested in cutting or tapping the cables? Does it want the West to worry it might? Is there a more innocent explanation?

Unsurprisingly, Russia isn't saying.

But whatever Moscow's intentions, U.S. and Western officials are increasingly troubled by their rival's interest in the 400 fiber-optic cables that carry most of world's calls, emails and texts, as well as $10 trillion worth of daily financial transactions.

"We've seen activity in the Russian navy, and particularly undersea in their submarine activity, that we haven't seen since the '80s," Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti, commander of the U.S. European Command, told Congress this month.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-ships-undersea-cables-concern-vladimir-putin-yantar-ship/

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:38 AM

1. And Comrade Fuckface says nothing. I sincerely hope we've hacked them as much or more...

than they have. Seems like they need to know everything they have and do is toast if they screw with us.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:42 AM

2. We really are in a war w/Russia right now and it looks like we have a Russian agent ....

.... asset in the White House.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 12:06 PM

8. We're screwed

We have a president who is already in the back pocket of an enemy, a vice president who is probably already dividing up the world with the Russian church, a SecDef whose loyalty to the US is questionable, a CIA Director who has had meetings with the sanctioned head of the Russian SVR, and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs who seems to have gone into stealth mode!

We're screwed!!!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:42 AM

3. It certainly sounds like Russia is amping up for something.

Now that Putin "won" the last election, he feels empowered.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:50 AM

5. I've no doubt they want to take over the world. They have willing accomplices in Republicans...

so it won't be too difficult unless we vote them out in Nov.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:48 AM

4. Kick

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:53 AM

6. Read a story several months ago about Russian agents found in odd places

On beaches and deserts near communication cables.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 12:08 PM

9. Yeah.

They were in the US, and it specifically dealt with the SF consulate and known operations conducted in and near there. The ops described were from 2016 and before, not recent.


The idea is that in the event of a war, the US could be sidelined in Europe very quickly. Cut some cables, trash some satellites, and watch the C&C centers in the US be completely cut off from Europe or Asia. Much of the logistics is provided for in the US, and you wouldn't even need to cut out each and every spy satellite to make the information completely inaccessible.

A lot of the Russian thinking presumably depends on Western cowardice. We're willing to take a strong stand and sanction 30 Russians in the event of their invading and basically annexing territory and producing hundreds of thousands of refugees and crippling the local government because we're sure that if we act any tougher all hell will break lose and the other side, fearsome and brave, certainly won't bake down. In other words, we're like the person who defends a kid against a bully but says, right up front, "I'm not going to lift a finger." If you require that defensive action carry no risk, you've basically ruled out almost all defensive actions. We insist that other people pay and die for our values and are always stunned when that either doesn't work or it yields a lot of resentment. After all, we emoted! We said the right things! But as long as we can blame the right people, some good comes from those foreign policy failures.

Meh.

Here's a 5-year-old link to a rough map of where many such cables are.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 11:53 AM

7. They could disrupt the world tampering with those cables...

hope it's found out what they're up to.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 12:20 PM

10. Cables we can fix

But once the BGP war starts.. no more internet as we know it.

Here's a preview..

http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/66838/hacking/bgp-hijacking-russia.html

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 12:24 PM

11. absurd to think they are not vulnerable

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 12:36 PM

12. Sounds like our super double secret project Operation Ivy Bells

Operation Ivy Bells was a joint United States Navy, CIA, and National Security Agency (NSA) mission whose objective was to place wire taps on Soviet underwater communication lines during the Cold War.

During the Cold War, the United States wanted to learn more about Soviet submarine and missile technology, specifically ICBM test and nuclear first strike capability.

In the early 1970s the U.S. government learned of the existence of an undersea communications cable in the Sea of Okhotsk, which connected the major Soviet Pacific Fleet naval base at Petropavlovsk on the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Soviet Pacific Fleet's mainland headquarters at Vladivostok.[2]:172 At the time, the Sea of Okhotsk was claimed by the Soviet Union as territorial waters, and was strictly off limits to foreign vessels, and the Soviet Navy had installed a network of sound detection devices along the seabed to detect intruders. The area also saw numerous surface and subsurface naval exercises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 01:26 PM

13. K & R n/t

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 01:28 PM

14. Give them a warning to leave..

And if they don't, blow them out of the water...

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 01:29 PM

15. If we had a Commander In Chief, she would dispatch our subs to mind their subs...

...and strictly prevent any funny business.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 02:01 PM

16. Seems like Russia has been following a covert plan to destroy the West for a long time

At least since Putin.
And would have continued whether Trump or Clinton became President. I'm sure they were thrilled when their machinations paid off and Trump actually won. Because having a compromised bought off President makes their job easier and probably will speed up and embolden their plans even more. But it would have gone on regardless. But Hillary may have at least fought back and alarmed Americans to the facts more.

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