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Initech

(100,036 posts)
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:18 PM Mar 2018

Trump floats the idea of creating a 'Space Force' to fight wars in space

Source: CNBC

President Donald Trump on Tuesday said his new national security strategy recognizes that space is a theater of war, and he floated the idea of creating a Space Force, a branch of the military that would operate outside of earth's atmosphere.

"Space is a war-fighting domain, just like the land, air, and sea," Trump told a an audience of service members at the Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. "We may even have a Space Force, develop another one, Space Force. We have the Air Force, we'll have the Space Force."

The president described how he'd originally coined the term as a joke, while discussing U.S. government spending and private investment in space. "I said, 'maybe we need a new force, we'll call it the Space Force,' and I was not really serious. Then I said, 'what a great idea,' maybe we'll have to do that," Trump told the crowd of Marines.

"So think of that, Space Force," Trump continued, "because we are spending a lot and we have a lot of private money coming in, tremendous. You saw what happened the other day, and tremendous success. From the very beginning, many of our astronauts have been soldiers and air men, coast guard men and marines. And our service members will be vital to ensuring America continues to lead the way into the stars."

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/trump-floats-the-idea-of-creating-a-space-force-to-fight-wars-in-space.html



Nice one, Dr. Evil!



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Trump floats the idea of creating a 'Space Force' to fight wars in space (Original Post) Initech Mar 2018 OP
I strongly support this proposal!! Bleacher Creature Mar 2018 #1
And give Vlad the ability to launch nukes from space? Initech Mar 2018 #5
He needs to be MFM008 Mar 2018 #2
Show em who is in charge of this galaxy trump! lunasun Mar 2018 #3
I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes! Initech Mar 2018 #6
hey now- Nepotism is ALWAYS part of the trump plan lunasun Mar 2018 #12
Why do I get the feeling fuck face's space force would run in to these people... 47of74 Mar 2018 #4
The idiot has visions of becoming Emperor Palpatine dhol82 Mar 2018 #7
Now Trump wants to be a Space Cadet Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #8
Space Cadet Bone Spurs! truthisfreedom Mar 2018 #13
He Already Is errant boy Mar 2018 #17
Can we just leave him up there? paleotn Mar 2018 #21
Here ya go. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #46
Even better; djacq Mar 2018 #9
To Infinite Stupidity. . .and Beyond !!!!!!!!! DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #14
I said, 'maybe we need a new force, we'll call it the Space Force,' John Fante Mar 2018 #10
and Mexico will pay for it.... FSogol Mar 2018 #11
Very Credible administration source says... JHB Mar 2018 #49
Draft Dodgers in the 24th-and-one-half Century !!!!! DinahMoeHum Mar 2018 #15
Where the hell are you going to get the money, Donnie? jmowreader Mar 2018 #16
Shows a complete lack of understanding of basic science. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #18
His idiocy has no end. llmart Mar 2018 #19
Pretty rich for a country... paleotn Mar 2018 #20
... TomCADem Mar 2018 #22
There actually is some serious consideration about creating a new Space military branch Zorro Mar 2018 #23
That makes some sense, but Trump does not jmowreader Mar 2018 #36
That approach might seem sensible but there are NRO-military boundaries Zorro Mar 2018 #39
Title 10/Title 50 doesn't come into play here jmowreader Mar 2018 #40
Trump style uniforms-gold lame lycra bodysuits for guys and hot pants for girls. nt procon Mar 2018 #24
You've heard of "Rods from God"? LudwigPastorius Mar 2018 #25
Space debris Space debris Space debris Space debris Space debris progree Mar 2018 #26
Only from the mind..... SergeStorms Mar 2018 #27
....who is too ignorant to know that weapons are banned from outer space by treaty. lastlib Mar 2018 #28
Exactly. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #42
Two space aliens looking down on Earth keithbvadu2 Mar 2018 #29
Stormtroopers? AnnieBW Mar 2018 #30
Well, Putin says Trump is a genius. So does everyone! Judi Lynn Mar 2018 #31
Big kick for "I SHALL CALL IT THE 'DEATH STAR'"!! bullwinkle428 Mar 2018 #32
I immediately thought of Dr. Evil when I saw that! Initech Mar 2018 #38
Has he decided on uniforms yet? I have an idea... dogknob Mar 2018 #33
It was so great being a teenage boy during this era! Canoe52 Mar 2018 #43
At least he has his priorities straight meadowlander Mar 2018 #34
Xenu will not be pleased. n/t Permanut Mar 2018 #35
Space as a war zone Bayard Mar 2018 #37
For 50 years we've had treaties de-militarizing space. But Trump is stupid. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #41
SPACE WALL nt BaronChocula Mar 2018 #44
Alarming gaps in international space law TomVilmer Mar 2018 #45
Stupider Moonraker JHB Mar 2018 #47
Why not create a committee to study the true cost of a project of this scale;... Ferretherder Mar 2018 #48

Initech

(100,036 posts)
5. And give Vlad the ability to launch nukes from space?
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:24 PM
Mar 2018

They should probably just deploy Skynet and get it over with!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. Show em who is in charge of this galaxy trump!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:24 PM
Mar 2018


The president described how he'd originally coined the term as a joke, while discussing U.S. government spending and private investment in space. "I said, 'maybe we need a new force, we'll call it the Space Force,' and I was not really serious. Then I said, 'what a great idea,' maybe we'll have to do that," Trump told the crowd of Marines.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
4. Why do I get the feeling fuck face's space force would run in to these people...
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:24 PM
Mar 2018



And make them so mad that they declare a genocidal holy war against humanity?


John Fante

(3,479 posts)
10. I said, 'maybe we need a new force, we'll call it the Space Force,'
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:30 PM
Mar 2018

How creative..for a 4-year old. If he had to come up with an acronym for the program his tiny brain would explode.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
18. Shows a complete lack of understanding of basic science.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:58 PM
Mar 2018

Like "space" is someplace you can go with a ship full of soldiers and fight a battle. What an idiot.


paleotn

(17,881 posts)
20. Pretty rich for a country...
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:05 PM
Mar 2018

that can't even get people to LEO anymore. That has to hitch rides with the Ruuskies.

Zorro

(15,722 posts)
23. There actually is some serious consideration about creating a new Space military branch
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:24 PM
Mar 2018

Currently the Air Force is the military branch with the primary responsibility for acquiring launch and space hardware, but that creates internal budgetary conflicts with aircraft programs that have been the traditional Air Force focus. The thought is that a separate Space Force military branch would remove those internal AF budget priority conflicts.

There is some advocacy within the military for heading in this direction, but there are stronger advocates for maintaining the status quo.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
36. That makes some sense, but Trump does not
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:28 AM
Mar 2018

However! The best and least expensive way to do that would be to merge the National Reconnaissance Office and the armed services' space commands (all four services have a space command; the Marines' space command isn't very big and the Air Force's is huge) into one organization with the current NRO officials in charge of it. If Trump wants to call that "Space Force," that's fine.

Let's just hope the bastard doesn't decide he needs to buy X-wing fighters and rocket-powered Winnebagos.

Zorro

(15,722 posts)
39. That approach might seem sensible but there are NRO-military boundaries
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:55 AM
Mar 2018

There are Title 10/Title 50 constraints (i.e. war fighting vs. intelligence collection) that preclude that option, in addition to the typical rice bowl issues.

You're right, Trump isn't capable of making sensible decisions, but it sounds to me that someone around him has been talking about creating a separate Space Force, and it's rattling around in his head. Sounds as if he wants to claim it as his original idea.

progree

(10,890 posts)
26. Space debris Space debris Space debris Space debris Space debris
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:48 PM
Mar 2018
And then there's Kessler Syndrome: a space sickness in which low-Earth orbit is so overpopulated that collisions cascade into more collisions, which create more debris that causes more collisions that cascade into more collisions. It's all very bad for Sandra Bullock. And it's about to get worse: Thousands and thousands of satellites are set to launch to low-Earth orbit before 2025.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-space-junk-problem-is-about-to-get-a-whole-lot-gnarlier/


“A 10-centimeter sphere of aluminum would be like 7 kilograms of TNT,” says Jack Bacon, a senior NASA scientist charged with keeping the ISS safe. “It would blow everything to smithereens.”

Incidents like these served as clear signs from above that something must finally be done about space junk. Its proliferation threatens not only current and future space missions but also global communications—mobile phone networks, satellite television, radio broadcasts, weather tracking, and military surveillance, even the dashboard GPS devices that keep us from getting lost. The number of manufactured objects cluttering the sky is now expected to double every few years as large objects weaken and split apart and new collisions create more Kesslerian debris, leading to yet more collisions.

NASA’s Bacon puts it bluntly: “The Kessler syndrome is in effect. We’re in a runaway environment, and we won’t be able to use space in the future if we don’t start dealing with this now.”
https://www.wired.com/2010/05/ff_space_junk/


A paint fleck traveling at 18,000 mph can penetrate a space suit and kill.

And this is without a space war.

lastlib

(23,152 posts)
28. ....who is too ignorant to know that weapons are banned from outer space by treaty.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:22 PM
Mar 2018

1967 Treaty on Outer Space bans all weapons from outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies.

https://www.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm

keithbvadu2

(36,655 posts)
29. Two space aliens looking down on Earth
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:25 PM
Mar 2018

Two space aliens looking down on Earth
#1 I see that the dominant life form has developed space weapons
#2 Does that mean they are an emerging intelligence?
#1 I don't think so. They have them aimed at themselves.

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
34. At least he has his priorities straight
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:13 AM
Mar 2018

The sad truth is that this is probably the only way nasa will be properly funded

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
37. Space as a war zone
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:44 AM
Mar 2018

Why is that the first thing that comes into his pea brain? He's obviously not a Star Trek fan, or he would know space is a wondrous new frontier for peaceful exploration, learning, and perhaps meeting other civilizations.

Of course, this is the same asshole that is selling off our national monuments.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
45. Alarming gaps in international space law
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 05:51 AM
Mar 2018


The preamble of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 speaks of the desire of states to use outer space for peaceful purposes. This reference leads some lawyers to believe that the treaty in fact establishes a general prohibition on military activities in this domain, implying that the deployment of space weapons or ASATs is illegal.

In reality, the treaty does not include any legally binding provisions concerning the peaceful use of outer space. In fact, the reference to the peaceful use of space is not even included in the operational part of the treaty. Instead, it simply appears in the preamble as an objective.

The treaty was drafted by the two Cold War superpowers, during a highly tense period in which both nations had already made extensive use of outer space for military purposes through the deployment of reconnaissance or early-warning satellites. Consequently, neither state was willing to place legal restrictions on such activities.

The Outer Space Treaty only explicitly prohibits the militarization of the Moon and other celestial bodies, as well as the placement of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in outer space. However, the prohibition of WMDs only applies to ‘placed’ and ‘stationed’ objects, or objects ‘installed’ on celestial bodies, meaning that transits carrying weapons would be allowed.


https://isnblog.ethz.ch/security/preventing-future-conflicts-in-outer-space

Ferretherder

(1,445 posts)
48. Why not create a committee to study the true cost of a project of this scale;...
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:50 AM
Mar 2018

...enact legislation and taxation to secure the necessary funding; then, instead, use that money to end hunger and homelessness across the entire world.

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